If the Giants want Barkley, they'll have to trade up to #1.

but what the Jets did with their trade up is very possibly force the Browns to take a QB at #1.

Giving the Giants the option on Barkley.

You don't pass up a franchise QB even for a generational RB.

After selecting Darnold at 1.

Of the top QB... yeah they definitely would be IMO (Darnold)

I will smash every TV in the house if the Giants did something stupid like that.

Are going to take the chance they get their 3RD best QB?... with a GM that found the best RB in the NFL last year in the 3rd round? It's not happening, they're taking Darnold or Allen (because they're stupid if they take him but they are the Browns).

If the Browns have a conviction on a qb they will select him number 1
Barkley will be there at 4

Browns QB
Giants QB or trade out to a team who will pick a QB
Jets QB
Browns Barkley

The Browns almost assure themselves Barkley at 4 by taking a QB at 1.

In comment 13872535 BillT said:

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The Browns almost assure themselves Barkley at 4 by taking a QB at 1.

Not if Giants don't take a QB at 2. It is not a slam dunk.

It's just a matter of which order they do it.

And a 33% chance of the QB they want at 4

It's not rocket science.

In comment 13872538 Bruner4329 said:

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In comment 13872535 BillT said: Quote: The Browns almost assure themselves Barkley at 4 by taking a QB at 1. Not if Giants don't take a QB at 2. It is not a slam dunk.

Browns need a QB aa their top priority. A QB at 1 is a lock.

Point is the Browns aren't risking the QB they want just to draft Barkley when ONLY the Giants stand in their way of getting him at 4.

to not take Barkley @1 & here's why.

Lets say the Browns go Darnold @#1?

Then someone trades up with the Giants for that #2 spot for the stud in Barkley.

BAM! Browns lose Barkley @#4 and must choose someone else or trade down.

But if they take Barkley at 1?
They're guaranteed 2 of the 4 QB's remaining in a worst case scenario.

A qb at 1 imo. So I don't agree w you at all

Imo opinion the giants take Barkley or trade down. The browns are taking Darnold or Allen. If the giants want Barkley he's there's. Your whole post is wrong imo

A fucking Running Back is not going #1 over all.

yesterday’s trade up just increased the odds of 3 straight QBs being taken, but whatever you say I guess.

In comment 13872538 Bruner4329 said:

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In comment 13872535 BillT said: Quote: The Browns almost assure themselves Barkley at 4 by taking a QB at 1. Not if Giants don't take a QB at 2. It is not a slam dunk.

No, just a regular run of the mill dunk.

This place will go nuts!

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Lol

In comment 13872574 UConn4523 said:

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yesterday’s trade up just increased the odds of 3 straight QBs being taken, but whatever you say I guess.

Agreed; more likely to have a run of 4 QBs than RB at #1. (Bortles at nearly $20 million, while Bell is the only RB over $10 million, and he is having trouble getting a long term deal. Not fair, but $$ shows how the league value players.)

In comment 13872560 aceinthehouse said:

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to not take Barkley @1 & here's why. Lets say the Browns go Darnold @#1? Then someone trades up with the Giants for that #2 spot for the stud in Barkley. BAM! Browns lose Barkley @#4 and must choose someone else or trade down. But if they take Barkley at 1? They're guaranteed 2 of the 4 QB's remaining in a worst case scenario.

The problem is you ASSUME they want Barkley.

is hysterically funny and wrong. He's a good back who will be lucky to be as good as Gurley or Zeke. He doesn't pound the rock inside. Yes, he is a top-10 pick. No he is not a top-2 pick, especially if you need a QB. The Browns, the Giants and Jets all need QBs.

It is time for the Giants to figure out the succession to Eli.

even if he's there.

If Giants don't take Barkley at #2, good chance he drops as far as #7.

Which is why Joe Banner is right.

OP is a clueless Redskins fan. Nothing to see here.

Especially since the Jets traded down yesterday to the 3rd spot to get a quarterback.

The Browns get a decent free agent running back, plus a GM who drafted one of the better running backs in the 3rd round last year. Does that not tell you RB's are not his #1 concern?

Yet they're going to risk losing their first option at quarterback to draft a running back?

Regardless of what you believe, there's a qb out there that the Browns like better then everyone else. They won't risk losing him.

If I could make one guarantee in this draft, it's that the Browns are drafting a QB with their first pick.

Where I say you can get good RBs in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. If Barkley there at 2, wonderful. I'm not against spending the 2nd overall pick on a RB, but trading from 2 up to one for a RB is just not smart.

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is hysterically funny and wrong. He's a good back who will be lucky to be as good as Gurley or Zeke. He doesn't pound the rock inside. Yes, he is a top-10 pick. No he is not a top-2 pick, especially if you need a QB. The Browns, the Giants and Jets all need QBs. It is time for the Giants to figure out the succession to Eli.

^^ a voice of reason ^^

that the Browns take a QB at 1. The Jets trading up to #3 only increases those odds.

Can't believe some people still think they are going to take an RB at #1...

Rosen and Darnold both look the part of a franchise QB IMO. I haven’t seen enough of Allen to have a clear opinion and Mayfields size does not match my preferred QB.

All of the other “stuff” is noise being spread with an agenda.

In almost 30 years will pass one up at #1? Ok.

Carlos Hyde.

The Browns WILL NOT use their first pick on SB.

Maybe the 4th, but I think they will actually go CHubb or Fitzpatrick there. The two best defensive players in this draft.

So you posted this?

They’ll get him at 4.

Browns likely will either trade down there or get the best defensive player. IMO they are NOT going to draft a RB at #1, that GM would be tarred and feathered out of town.



The Giants, I think, will either draft Darnold (if he's there at #2), or trade down. Too many questions on the other QB's and too high to draft Barkley or Nelson.

That hasn’t been brought up in another thread.

options and lots of picks. Cannot see them not taking the QB they want the most with the #1 pick. Rather than taking a chance we take their favorite or trade out so someone else surely will. Their GM is a shrewd guy and knows the vaue of a QB pick over all the others. If your guy is there you take him. Trading with us protects that option. They come away with their QB and whoever else they want/ WE Go to pick #4 plus something else.

You missed your calling, Johnny Carsen show would have been perfect for you, as soon as the envelope hits your head you will know the answer. Oh great Carnac, here you go.
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In comment 13872614 bw in dc said:

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Carlos Hyde. The Browns WILL NOT use their first pick on SB. Maybe the 4th, but I think they will actually go CHubb or Fitzpatrick there. The two best defensive players in this draft.

I agree. They have Duke Johnson also. Browns of filling holes just like anyone else. They may be very well looking at defense.

As far as Barkley, he will be there for the Giants. I think it's down to a choice between a QB and Barkley, unless they get a great trade offer to move down.

clev. is taking qb at 1...take it to the bank...

Please let that happen.

In comment 13872614 bw in dc said:

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Carlos Hyde. The Browns WILL NOT use their first pick on SB. Maybe the 4th, but I think they will actually go Chubb or Fitzpatrick there. The two best defensive players in this draft.

I agree with the thinking they go D at 4, and why I wouldn't be opposed to DG trading back to 5 with Denver if he's not sold on a QB. They'd get some more picks and their choice of top talent guys like Barkley, Nelson or one of Chubb/Fitzpatrick.

I can also see the Browns going RB with one of their 2rd picks. They'll get great value there, and IMO will clean up in this draft. They have six picks in the top 65 players of the draft. I don't see them trading back with anyone for more picks.

CLE still needs RB help - I think they're taking a QB, but Duke Johnson really isn't a RB. He's basically a slot WR. They barely ever hand him the ball out of the backfield.

Hyde has a checkered injury history and Crowell is gone.

Hyde isn't proof that they'll pass on Barkley.

They take him over the RB. That’s the smart move.

It would be foolish to draft a RB and settle for the 3rd best QB. Wont happen if they love 1 or 2 of the QBs over the rest. Or maybe they will. They’re the Browns.

Is a better prospect then zeke Tourette or Gurley. Those in the know are aware of this. He is that good

about the Browns from what I read is that they are not interested in Barkley. Of course, that's a reasonable position to take when you have 2 picks at the top of round 2, where there should still be some high end RBs available. If you like Chubb to pair with Garrett, or put Minkah Fitzpatrick in your defensive backfield, or Nelson to help protect your new QB you took at 1st overall.

I am of the belief that the Browns are NOT going to trade out of #1, and that they will take the QB they love the best. They have Tyrod Taylor there. To me, it is clear that Tyrod Taylor is not a franchise QB. They've suffered in QB hell for decades now. To trade down, or take a non-QB and then take from the QBs that are remaining at 4, I just don't see it. And no, they aren't going to lose any of their picks in a trade up to the Giants. There is no reason to.

They may trade back into the first round, sure. And perhaps they trade down from 4, but there is no good argument for a rational GM in the Browns position to trade up to #2, and there is no good argument to not take your franchise QB there, either. I think it will be Darnold, that is my belief.

NFL executive jobs aren't guaranteed forever, and Dorsey knows if he doesn't get his QB now, with the players they've brought in and with the picks they will have, they may end up not having this opportunity again. I can easily see the Browns sneaking into the playoffs this year with Tyrod Taylor.

There are no guarantees, and sure, anything can happen, but I do believe Barkley will be available for the Giants at 2.

You guys are so annoying with the Barkley shit that I'm starting to hope that he is a bust.

It's more likely that he slides to 5 than the Giants trading UP for him.

invested in Carlos Hyde is a pretty good indicator that they aren't going to give top 5 money to Barkley as well. If you have intent to draft Barkley at #1, you don't pay Hyde to be your #2 back. That makes little sense to me.