the Jets-Colts trade is great news for Browns, Giants, and

if they can move up.

Maybe if the Broncos move up I could potentially see grabbing Nelson and other picks

In comment 13872534 GFAN52 said:

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if they can move up.

It means nothing of the kind. What the Jets were willing to pay to move to #3 has absolutely nothing to do with what another team is willing to pay to move to #2 or what the Giants are willing to take, if anything. Nothing.

And this business that the Jets are now poised to jump over the Giants for the #1 pick is happy horseshit. Too many of you watched that Costner movie and think it's reality.

Darnold or Barkley.

They just can not draft Nelson at 2.....if they want Nelson.....at least move back to 5.

He's the best player in the draft.

"Much smarter NFLers than I told me in the last few days they think GM Dave Gettleman will pass on a quarterback to fill another major need at number two overall, and I don't doubt it," which adds credence to the notion that adding a passer at the top of the draft may not be a priority.

In comment 13872626 Eric from BBI said:

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"Much smarter NFLers than I told me in the last few days they think GM Dave Gettleman will pass on a quarterback to fill another major need at number two overall, and I don't doubt it," which adds credence to the notion that adding a passer at the top of the draft may not be a priority.

There isn't a bigger major need than QB.

It seems too many at Jints Central are using medicinal marijuana when watching last year's footage of Eli's play...

If there is a QB there that they love, they should draft him.

But this is the chatter out there.

I think most folks on BBI are dismissing Webb completely and that’s a mistake. If Shurmur and Gettleman really like Webb, they should not draft a quarterback. It’s crazy to me that people forget this point.

In comment 13872607 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13872534 GFAN52 said: Quote: if they can move up. It means nothing of the kind. What the Jets were willing to pay to move to #3 has absolutely nothing to do with what another team is willing to pay to move to #2 or what the Giants are willing to take, if anything. Nothing. And this business that the Jets are now poised to jump over the Giants for the #1 pick is happy horseshit. Too many of you watched that Costner movie and think it's reality.

I disagree Homer. The Jets moving to three changed the equation. Denver may have been assured of a QB at five, with Giants and Browns each taking a QB, and Colts taking Chubb and Browns taking Barkley. With Jets now at three, Denver can draft whoever is left after Jets, Giants and Browns each take a QB. Giants and Browns have seen the value of their pick go higher.

In comment 13872631 Eric from BBI said:

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If there is a QB there that they love, they should draft him. But this is the chatter out there.

I hear you. Just kibitzing, really.

You know how much I love the dynamics of Jints Central... ;)

Are no absolutes, but I will say this, if the Giants wants Nelson and take him at 2, they are a bunch of fucking fools. Because he can be had with the 5th pick for certain, and to make a guard that high a priority and pass on trading down and adding more is more of the same shit that got us in this mess, if they continue to fuck up the draft they will continue to stink.

In comment 13872631 Eric from BBI said:

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If there is a QB there that they love, they should draft him. But this is the chatter out there.

Agree Eric. If they love one of the QBs, and he is available at two, the right move is to draft him. If the Giants have no plans to draft a QB, or the Browns draft the Giants top QB at one, then trade down a few slots.

In comment 13872619 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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He's the best player in the draft.

Sy doesn’t even think he’s the best GUARD in the draft. That can be debated but no, you don’t take a guard with the second pick when you know you can slide down a few picks and get him, and add more picks.

In comment 13872648 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13872619 Emlen'sGremlins said: Quote: He's the best player in the draft. Sy doesn’t even think he’s the best GUARD in the draft. That can be debated but no, you don’t take a guard with the second pick when you know you can slide down a few picks and get him, and add more picks.

I agree. If we are going NELSON, we definitely should try to trade down even to three and pick up some additional draft picks.

If teams get wind that we are not taking a QBthey don't have to trade up. If Denver knows we are not taking a QB they can stand pat and at least get the 3rd QB. I think our trade options became a little narrower. The Jets can't trade up to 2 because they have nothing left. If Denver knows we don't want a QB, the worst they can do is the 3rd QB unless the Browns trade out of 4 which isn't likely unless they take a QB at 1 and can deal the 4th pick.

If the QB the Giants want is there they have to take him. It would really look bad on DG if he passes on a qb that turns out to be great and Webb turns out to be a Dave Brown. We can't trade down to 12 and miss out on the cream of the crop non Qbs.

I fear the future may be dismal for years to come. I love Eli but let's face it, he has 1-2 years at best and is already a mid level starter at best. You cannot convince me they know what they have in Webb. Practice is nice but he has virtually no game experience. That's what counts. We are always pressing against the cap and you see how much mid level journeymen QB's are getting in FA. I will be very upset with Gettlemen if he passes on a QB at #2. I have said it a hundred times, I lived through the Dave Brown/Kent Graham/Danny Kannel days and will sell my season tickets before I go through those awful times again. Potential franchise QB's only fall into the Giants lap every 15 years or so. We cannot afford to chance that Webb is not a Franchise QB (I doubt he is or he would not have been drafted in the 3rd round-trip I know, I know, there are exceptions). I believe there are at least 3 QB's worthy of the potential franchise QB tag in this draft.

In comment 13872631 Eric from BBI said:

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If there is a QB there that they love, they should draft him. But this is the chatter out there.

Did you think there wouldn't be chatter? It's very important that the Browns not know what the Giants are thinking. In 2004 San Diego knew what the Giants were thinking and the result was giving up a bunch of picks so that the Chargers could get the QB they wanted all along.
p.s.--What's your preference? I'm guessing you want someone other than a QB with the pick and so you focus on the "chatter" that supports the narrative you favor.

I don't know if hitdog or JonC have told you something but from your posts it appears that you have heard something. You have mentioned that they might like another QB out of the top 4 just as much. Is this just an assumption or have you heard something?

As a fan of Rosen I am hoping that these rumors are all false information being spread by the FO in an attempt to hide their true intentions.

We were told that the FO would be sending out false rumors in an attempt to mask their intentions which they failed to do over the past few years which has lead to them losing the guys that they were targeting. I am no expert but I believe that the only options are either a QB at 2 or a trade down IF they truly don't like the available options.

If the suck, they will be at the top again/possibly trade up. I want nelson in the 5 area


Move down, grab another next years first. Use that pick to trade up next year if they need to get a qb

In comment 13872648 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13872619 Emlen'sGremlins said: Quote: He's the best player in the draft. Sy doesn’t even think he’s the best GUARD in the draft. That can be debated but no, you don’t take a guard with the second pick when you know you can slide down a few picks and get him, and add more picks.

what really? I thought he was the best OL, easily.

Im surprised but i'd defer to Sy

In comment 13872747 Jay on the Island said:

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I don't know if hitdog or JonC have told you something but from your posts it appears that you have heard something. You have mentioned that they might like another QB out of the top 4 just as much. Is this just an assumption or have you heard something? As a fan of Rosen I am hoping that these rumors are all false information being spread by the FO in an attempt to hide their true intentions. We were told that the FO would be sending out false rumors in an attempt to mask their intentions which they failed to do over the past few years which has lead to them losing the guys that they were targeting. I am no expert but I believe that the only options are either a QB at 2 or a trade down IF they truly don't like the available options.

Could they like Rudolph or Lauletta enough to pass on a QB at 2??

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In comment 13872747 Jay on the Island said: Could they like Rudolph or Lauletta enough to pass on a QB at 2??

If they use their 2nd round pick on Rudolph I will be very disappointed. I think Rudolph's ceiling is Andy Dalton.

In comment 13872815 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13872810 OBJRoyal said: Quote: In comment 13872747 Jay on the Island said: Could they like Rudolph or Lauletta enough to pass on a QB at 2?? If they use their 2nd round pick on Rudolph I will be very disappointed. I think Rudolph's ceiling is Andy Dalton.

Definitely think they have been doing their homework on Lauletta as well. We'll find out who the pick is NOT soon enough

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Definitely think they have been doing their homework on Lauletta as well. We'll find out who the pick is NOT soon enough

I don't think they will take another developmental QB a year after taking Webb. I think it's a QB at 2 or nothing.

In comment 13872844 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13872820 OBJRoyal said: Quote: Definitely think they have been doing their homework on Lauletta as well. We'll find out who the pick is NOT soon enough I don't think they will take another developmental QB a year after taking Webb. I think it's a QB at 2 or nothing.

I agree, they can fill other needs with their 2nd and 3rd round picks.

and then immediately put him up for auction to the highest bidder.

Teams who gambled that we wouldn't take a QB lost, but have an opportunity to recover as long as the package includes next year's 1st round pick...which is when I prefer to draft Eli's successor (assuming we have to RE Webb).

if the Giants put Webb on the market, I wonder if they could get a first round pick for him? How about a second? Or even a third?

That should put an end to this nonsense...

It basically forces them to pick a QB at 1.

If they want Barkley.... although likely he will be there at 4....

I can see if QB is not an option, the Giants swapping picks with the Jets and pick Barkley at 3

In comment 13872631 Eric from BBI said:

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If there is a QB there that they love, they should draft him. But this is the chatter out there.

Yes but if there isn't one they love they shouldn't draft one anyway.

It still all comes down to whether or not they have a conviction that one of these young prospects being their future franchise QB.

In comment 13872626 Eric from BBI said:

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"Much smarter NFLers than I told me in the last few days they think GM Dave Gettleman will pass on a quarterback to fill another major need at number two overall, and I don't doubt it," which adds credence to the notion that adding a passer at the top of the draft may not be a priority.

Barkley, Nelson,Chubb,Fitzpatrick, Edmunds, or at least their positions?
RB a major need? No LB worth #2. So its OL, DE/Edge, or CB; which major need?
A Nelson likely finishes the hog Mollie rebuild for this year; Chubb your Edge in waiting; Fitzpatrick your Apple insurance/opt to move on from Jackrabbits contract at years end(trade?). All are reaches but are top 10 or better?
On my scenario, which major need in DGs eyes?

In comment 13872844 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13872820 OBJRoyal said: Quote: Definitely think they have been doing their homework on Lauletta as well. We'll find out who the pick is NOT soon enough I don't think they will take another developmental QB a year after taking Webb. I think it's a QB at 2 or nothing.

What makes you say he's anymore developmental than Rosen?? Just wondering, cause they seem to be similar throwing the ball

In comment 13872626 Eric from BBI said:

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"Much smarter NFLers than I told me in the last few days they think GM Dave Gettleman will pass on a quarterback to fill another major need at number two overall, and I don't doubt it," which adds credence to the notion that adding a passer at the top of the draft may not be a priority.

For context, Peter King posted this comment on February 18, exactly a month ago.

Could well still be true but, if so, the post yesterday of the Joe Banner quote is right on point: Giants' passing on the Jets' offer to take a non-QB at #2 would be an "awful decision".

And, contrary to Prisco's premise, it's not true at all that there is going to be a better offer coming NYG's way. At least among Bills' and Broncos' fans, and as an indicator, enthusiasm for a trade up has cooled considerably.
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And Webb went in the 3rd round, can we stop talking about him? DG didn't draft him and Shurmur won't even see him practice in pads before the draft. Webb has zero bearing on the #2 pick. None.

In comment 13872626 Eric from BBI said:

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"Much smarter NFLers than I told me in the last few days they think GM Dave Gettleman will pass on a quarterback to fill another major need at number two overall, and I don't doubt it," which adds credence to the notion that adding a passer at the top of the draft may not be a priority.

That's good for them to think that. It'll increase the offers for the #2 spot.

I definitely believe a QB will be drafted at #2. It's just up in the air as to who will be doing the drafting.

Have made that trade with the Jets? Do you think they inquired?

In comment 13872958 George from PA said:

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It basically forces them to pick a QB at 1. If they want Barkley.... although likely he will be there at 4.... I can see if QB is not an option, the Giants swapping picks with the Jets and pick Barkley at 3

the giants will NEVER swap picks with the jets!

In comment 13873198 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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And Webb went in the 3rd round, can we stop talking about him? DG didn't draft him and Shurmur won't even see him practice in pads before the draft. Webb has zero bearing on the #2 pick. None.

THANK YOU!

In comment 13873448 gmenatlarge said:

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In comment 13872958 George from PA said: Quote: It basically forces them to pick a QB at 1. If they want Barkley.... although likely he will be there at 4.... I can see if QB is not an option, the Giants swapping picks with the Jets and pick Barkley at 3 the giants will NEVER swap picks with the jets!

I agree with this. Too much risk for eternal ridicule for both sides.

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In comment 13872607 HomerJones45 said: Quote: In comment 13872534 GFAN52 said: Quote: if they can move up. It means nothing of the kind. What the Jets were willing to pay to move to #3 has absolutely nothing to do with what another team is willing to pay to move to #2 or what the Giants are willing to take, if anything. Nothing. And this business that the Jets are now poised to jump over the Giants for the #1 pick is happy horseshit. Too many of you watched that Costner movie and think it's reality. I disagree Homer. The Jets moving to three changed the equation. Denver may have been assured of a QB at five, with Giants and Browns each taking a QB, and Colts taking Chubb and Browns taking Barkley. With Jets now at three, Denver can draft whoever is left after Jets, Giants and Browns each take a QB. Giants and Browns have seen the value of their pick go higher.

(a) that is all based on assumptions as to who is taking what. If someone in that group wants the defensive player or the "generational talent" at rb or the "hog mollie" guard, those suppositions are all shot to hell. (b) "worth" in a market is what a willing buyer pays to a willing seller. Which team is willing to pay more to move up that what the Bills paid to move up to 3? I don't see anyone. Do you?

and I'm a huge fan of Darnold, but the other QB I've heard about so far is Lauletta. Crickets on the top prospects, so we'll find out how airtight DG's ship is ...