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DE Josh Mauro visiting the Giants

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2018 4:30 pm
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Defensive end Josh Mauro will visit the Giants, per source. He's set to arrive Sunday. Knows defensive coordinator James Bettcher from time with Cardinals. Fits the scheme. Good 5-technique DE with 26 career starts in four years. He had 22 tackles and a sack last season.

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RE: RE: Is there any  
jeff57 : 3/18/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13872980 section125 said:
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In comment 13872963 Pete in MD said:


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way OV and JPP are on the team after this season? Neither are a good fit for the 3-4 and both have huge contracts.



How is JPP not a good fit for 3-4 DE. He's a big man and stout against the run. He can hold the point of attack. OV is too small to be a DE and not nearly fast enough to be a OLB.


Vernon played some in Miami. He’s fast enough to play OLB.
RE: RE: Is there any  
Pete in MD : 3/18/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13872980 section125 said:
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In comment 13872963 Pete in MD said:


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way OV and JPP are on the team after this season? Neither are a good fit for the 3-4 and both have huge contracts.



How is JPP not a good fit for 3-4 DE. He's a big man and stout against the run. He can hold the point of attack. OV is too small to be a DE and not nearly fast enough to be a OLB.

I suppose he could be competent as a 3-4 DE but the scheme doesn't maximize his strengths IMO. It will be difficult for him to justify a $20M cap number.
RE: RE: RE: Is there any  
jeff57 : 3/18/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13873037 Pete in MD said:
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In comment 13872980 section125 said:


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In comment 13872963 Pete in MD said:


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way OV and JPP are on the team after this season? Neither are a good fit for the 3-4 and both have huge contracts.



How is JPP not a good fit for 3-4 DE. He's a big man and stout against the run. He can hold the point of attack. OV is too small to be a DE and not nearly fast enough to be a OLB.


I suppose he could be competent as a 3-4 DE but the scheme doesn't maximize his strengths IMO. It will be difficult for him to justify a $20M cap number.


I think it does maximize his strengths. He’s now a better run defender than pass rusher.
Did not hear  
Bill in UT : 3/18/2018 5:34 pm : link
his name called very often here in AZ. Maybe an ok backup, certainly not a strong starter.
RE: Did not hear  
Jay on the Island : 3/18/2018 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13873044 Bill in UT said:
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his name called very often here in AZ. Maybe an ok backup, certainly not a strong starter.

3-4 DE's do the dirty work. The ones that can also provide pass rush are rare and expensive.
RE: Did not hear  
Aaron Thomas : 3/18/2018 5:49 pm : link
Not everyone signed is going to be a "strong starter". this team needs depth all over and DE sure can use some behind the scenes players.
RE: 47 games played  
BigBlueShock : 3/18/2018 5:51 pm : link
In comment 13872979 XBRONX said:
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26 starts and a grand total of 2 sacks. He better be great against the run.

When someone evaluates a 3-4 DE by the amount of asks he has it says all I need to know about the poster.

I guess the Giants shonly concentrate on bringing in 15 sack guys that will cost $15M per year, otherwise why bother...
RE: RE: 47 games played  
BigBlueShock : 3/18/2018 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13873071 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13872979 XBRONX said:


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26 starts and a grand total of 2 sacks. He better be great against the run.


When someone evaluates a 3-4 DE by the amount of asks he has it says all I need to know about the poster.

I guess the Giants shonly concentrate on bringing in 15 sack guys that will cost $15M per year, otherwise why bother...

Amount of SACKS obviously. Damn fat fingers
I like it  
giantsFC : 3/18/2018 6:07 pm : link
These mid level guys USED to have impacts on the giants. Lately all these types have stunk under Reese as he only seemed to like athletic fast defensive lineman.
Really seems like  
Sy'56 : 3/18/2018 7:11 pm : link
they are going to lean more towards the 3-4
Mauro isn't a pass rusher  
Sy'56 : 3/18/2018 7:13 pm : link
He wasn't on the field for majority of passing downs, he is a plus run defender.
Right on BBShock  
Dave on the UWS : 3/18/2018 7:24 pm : link
I know everyone wants an all pro at every position and all the depth being just as good. Doesn't work that way. I like signings like this. Less snaps for OV and JPP.
OMG only two sacks what a bum  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/18/2018 7:24 pm : link
BBI at its finest 🙄
Bigblue blowhard  
XBRONX : 3/18/2018 7:30 pm : link
Complete lack of sacks says something. I know the difference between 3-4 and a 4-3
RE: Bigblue blowhard  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/18/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13873167 XBRONX said:
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Complete lack of sacks says something. I know the difference between 3-4 and a 4-3


Did I quote you or address you? No I didn’t, stop being such an insecure bitch.
This is a relatively intriguing visit  
DavidinBMNY : 3/18/2018 8:24 pm : link
The giants don't have a true 5 tech on the roster. They need one. This is really a 2 down player.
6'6," ,282lbs  
idiotsavant : 3/18/2018 8:32 pm : link
Wide frame can handle the weight. Depth signing. Ran fast at combine.
Could be useful.

Looks like we might add another true Harrison big type DT in draft. Cannot just have one on roster. W suggest sets w 2.
It's a shame that the GM and DC  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/18/2018 8:53 pm : link
don't know how many sacks he had. If only they did, maybe they wouldn't be wasting our time....
Ralph V was on Sirius NFLN Radio  
bradshaw44 : 3/18/2018 8:56 pm : link
yesterday afternoon being interviewed about the Giants, and he unequivocally stated that the Giants are switching to a 3-4. Not a hybrid. Paraphrasing what he said; with the Giants switching to the 3-4 Martin would be a great fit coming over from AZ.
idiotsavat  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/18/2018 8:58 pm : link
We re-signed Robert Thomas to back up Snacks
After dozens of years  
Pete in MD : 3/18/2018 9:38 pm : link
and hundreds of threads, BBI finally gets the 3-4 :-)
Wonder how guys  
mushroom : 3/18/2018 10:12 pm : link
Like Moss and Okwara project to a 3-4??
RE: RE: Bigblue blowhard  
giantsFC : 3/18/2018 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13873179 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13873167 XBRONX said:


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Complete lack of sacks says something. I know the difference between 3-4 and a 4-3



Did I quote you or address you? No I didn’t, stop being such an insecure bitch.


Well I can breathe easy knowing this guy trolls everyone with angry, instigating posts.
NFL  
Dragon : 3/19/2018 1:56 am : link
Is just like every other league it's a popularity contest with most of these signings of so many guys you never heard of before who have done little or nothing.
Giantfc  
XBRONX : 3/19/2018 5:58 am : link
Do you dry clean your Klan robes?
.  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2018 6:56 am : link
Kareem Martin signs - 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks in 4 seasons - BBI praise!!

Josh Maruo visits - 55 tackles and 2 sacks in 4 seasons - and BBI turns its collective nose up.

Weird.
RE: Giantfc  
section125 : 3/19/2018 7:15 am : link
In comment 13873428 XBRONX said:
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Do you dry clean your Klan robes?


What is your problem?
Would be a role player  
Biteymax22 : 3/19/2018 8:13 am : link
But knows the defense and adds depth. You need guys like this to win games, its whats been lacking on this team over the past few years.
base 3-4 DE isn't a pass rusher  
JonC : 3/19/2018 8:16 am : link
he's a blocker eater, this dude apparently does it well, it's the dirty work up front in 3-4.
Adams33  
idiotsavant : 3/19/2018 8:34 am : link
Having Robert Thomas ought not influence the draft one iota. J.a.g at best plus that's not how one often drafts.

I'm talking about the blue goose that can play any DT technique, bigs that can rush as opposed to the smaller large-4/3-de types (who are also useful and whom I advocated for often in those days.) We have two of those now more or less.
Keep in mind  
idiotsavant : 3/19/2018 8:37 am : link
DL more multiple than OL and becoming much more so now.

DL more rotation than OL also.

No longer the days of just roll out in the same technique all game long.
RE: RE: RE: Is there any  
JonC : 3/19/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13873037 Pete in MD said:
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In comment 13872980 section125 said:


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In comment 13872963 Pete in MD said:


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way OV and JPP are on the team after this season? Neither are a good fit for the 3-4 and both have huge contracts.



How is JPP not a good fit for 3-4 DE. He's a big man and stout against the run. He can hold the point of attack. OV is too small to be a DE and not nearly fast enough to be a OLB.


I suppose he could be competent as a 3-4 DE but the scheme doesn't maximize his strengths IMO. It will be difficult for him to justify a $20M cap number.


Correct, if they're looking to trim the fat next season and re-work some personnel, JPP figures the most logical odd man out among the big ticket contracts.
I'd like to see how  
Beer Man : 3/19/2018 8:53 am : link
Avery Moss performs in the new D
Moss has to get in shape  
JonC : 3/19/2018 8:57 am : link
he didn't look like a pro last year, got to be able to wind him up and put him in and be effective.
Not saying he can't be  
Bill in UT : 3/19/2018 10:14 am : link
a decent backup. Looking forward to how the tone here is once they put a dollar amount on him. How much are you all willing to pay him?
probably not going to happen with Wynn signing  
Chip : 3/19/2018 10:16 am : link
who has better stats.
You can't compare Mauro and Wynn  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2018 10:21 am : link
as they play in different scheme's and situations. Their responsibilities are much different. Mauro was a run stuffer that almost always came out on passing downs.
RE: You can't compare Mauro and Wynn  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13873733 Jay on the Island said:
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as they play in different scheme's and situations. Their responsibilities are much different. Mauro was a run stuffer that almost always came out on passing downs.


I actually think they are similar. They are both better at stuffing the run vs rushing the passer - regardless of how they were used. My assumption is they like Wynn more.
I hate the move to the 3-4  
BillT : 3/19/2018 10:30 am : link
Think it's a bad match for our personnel and a bad match for the pass happy NFL. Snacks and Tomlinson are a top 5 pair of 4-3 DTs and OV and JPP are better suited to a 4-3 as well. Even the Pats have basically given up on the 3-4.
RE: I hate the move to the 3-4  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13873773 BillT said:
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Think it's a bad match for our personnel and a bad match for the pass happy NFL. Snacks and Tomlinson are a top 5 pair of 4-3 DTs and OV and JPP are better suited to a 4-3 as well. Even the Pats have basically given up on the 3-4.

It is not a bad match for our personnel. Snacks is a better 3-4 NT. Tomlinson played in the 3-4 in college. Goodson is probably a better fit at ILB in a 3-4 also. Kareem Martin played in Bettcher's scheme already. Ogletree played in a 3-4 with the Rams. The only player that appears to be an odd fit is JPP.
too much focus on position fit  
2cents : 3/19/2018 12:23 pm : link
we can try as much as we want to justify these guys in 1 position vs another but in the end all that matters is the number of snaps they receive and the situations they are used in. in today's NFL you would be hard pressed to identify exactly what type of front the defense is running on any given play anyway.
RE: RE: I hate the move to the 3-4  
BillT : 3/19/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13874082 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13873773 BillT said:


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Think it's a bad match for our personnel and a bad match for the pass happy NFL. Snacks and Tomlinson are a top 5 pair of 4-3 DTs and OV and JPP are better suited to a 4-3 as well. Even the Pats have basically given up on the 3-4.


It is not a bad match for our personnel. Snacks is a better 3-4 NT. Tomlinson played in the 3-4 in college. Goodson is probably a better fit at ILB in a 3-4 also. Kareem Martin played in Bettcher's scheme already. Ogletree played in a 3-4 with the Rams. The only player that appears to be an odd fit is JPP.

Snacks went from a very good NT to al All Pro in the 4-3. Tomlinson is going to be an excellent 3 tech DT. Ogletree had his best season at WILL. And we have 4-3 DEs as backups with Okwara and Moss.
Funny to see some people crow for the 3-4 then judge a 5-tech DE by  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2018 12:51 pm : link
Number of sacks.
RE: Funny to see some people crow for the 3-4 then judge a 5-tech DE by  
TheMick7 : 3/19/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13874225 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Number of sacks.


Because they think they know what they think they know,but they don't know!
Ten Ton  
XBRONX : 3/19/2018 1:36 pm : link
What does a 3-4 DE do on a pass play?
RE: base 3-4 DE isn't a pass rusher  
DelZotto : 3/19/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13873495 JonC said:
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he's a blocker eater, this dude apparently does it well, it's the dirty work up front in 3-4.


DE, Fox signed yet?
RE: Ten Ton  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13874324 XBRONX said:
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What does a 3-4 DE do on a pass play?


It's a more complicated question than "3-4 DEs do ___".

A 5-tech 3-4 DE is the most traditional type of 3-4 DE. They set the edge against the run and engage blockers to free up linebackers to make plays, run or pass. They're not guys with big sack numbers. Considering how much more pass-happy the NFL is, you don't see them used the same way the 3-4 was played in 1986.
XBRONX  
giantsFC : 3/19/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13873428 XBRONX said:
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Do you dry clean your Klan robes?


Should I? You seem to know a lot about Klan etiquette where as I don't have a clue.



giantfc  
XBRONX : 3/19/2018 5:57 pm : link
Running away from your racist post?
RE: giantfc  
giantsFC : 3/19/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13874782 XBRONX said:
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Running away from your racist post?


nope. running full speed toward your racist assumptions that it was a racist post and laughing as I do. They say those who point fingers then turn around and finger themselves....ancient Chinese proverb.

oh wait or is saying that racist too?
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