I don’t remember reading any commentary on BBI or hearing anything from the media on one interesting point.
When asked if he thought if Eli would except the deal to sit the 2nd halves of games he said - (paraphrasing). “No I didn’t think Eli would accept that deal and tarnish his record.”
So what McAdoo did was offer Eli a deal he wouldn’t accept.
So, he openly admitted to devising a plan that would bench Eli.
Now it comes to light that may have apparently wanted Geno for his mobility over Eli Manning.
Amazing he admitted to hatching a plan to bench Eli for Geno.
We had a coach of the Giants who saw more potential in Geno over our best quarterback in franchise history.
Crazy!
Lets be glad Mara pulled the plug when he did, and didn't find some excuse to prolong his tenure.
Nothing about this means Geno will have a better career than Eli had, or is more skilled than Eli, or is "better" than Eli in any general way. It only means Geno might have had a better to succeed in the bad situation the Giants were putting Eli were in. After one week of practice with the starters, Geno arguably did slightly better in Oakland than Eli had been doing.
The move was handled badly, and it was a PR catastrophe. It also made little long-term sense to bench Eli for Geno Smith, since clearly Geno wasn't going to be the future, and Geno is a laughing stock in New York. But strictly from a football point of view, benching Eli for a more mobile QB wasn't a crazy move.
And ending the streak made things a lot easier for Shurmur, who now doesn't have to face that PR firestorm if he decides to play someone else, whenever and for whatever reason he does so.
That’s low.
It is the reason, he will never lead a team in the NFL again.
R*d R*st
and now
B*n Mc*d**
It was managed exactly the way it was intended - sleazy!
Classless!
Benching Eli for a more mobile quarterback was a viable option at that point in the season.
It wasn’t communication skills.
He planned to bench Manning for Geno and contrived a plan to do it.
He admitted that what he proposed to Eli was something he would never except.
Hence, he found a smokescreen for benching Eli for Geno.
This was not a communication issue.
We had a sleazy coach who wanted to blame Eli for his and Resses’s ineptitude.
Period!
Geno was and still is a turnover machine. He has an unbelievable knack for the big turnover at the critical time. And he has less leadership ability than a pile of camel dung, something that was obvious from his Jets days. He wasn't going to win any more games than Eli was with that ill-suited offense that McAdoodoo put on the field, and to think he was going to was insanity.
And we've beaten the keeping Webb on the bench aspect to death already.
He planned exactly what happened.
That’s the point I think was forgotten in all of this.
Mc*doo had a plan to put this season on Manning, get him fired, and draft a QB and hit the restart button.
It wasn’t communication skills.
He planned to bench Manning for Geno and contrived a plan to do it.
He admitted that what he proposed to Eli was something he would never except.
Hence, he found a smokescreen for benching Eli for Geno.
This was not a communication issue.
We had a sleazy coach who wanted to blame Eli for his and Resses’s ineptitude.
Period!
What you are leaving out is that Reese was complicit in the scheme as it was revealed by Mara (while making the media rounds the following week) that Reese and Ben had been planning it for some time and only proposed it to Mara for his OK. While Reese and Ben were fired, Mara deserves much more criticism. While he likes to claim that he doesn't involve himself in football matter (plausible deniability), he most certainly did not have to give his OK when it was revealed that the plan was for Geno to take over. Even when he gave the OK and Eli turned down the scheme, Mara could still have intervened and avoided the PR mess.
I completely agree
Mara should share the blame equally
Me too Joey. An 11-5 playoff year will do that. It really was a house of cards. The guy just couldn't stop the bleeding when things got bad...
Once he slicked the hair back it was never the same...
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This is why I’ve been here over a decade and don’t by post threads
Now Bill Parcells took over a quality Giants team in 1983 lead them to three wins and a tie but he kept his job strange how people view basically the same scenarios.
The plan was not thought out well, and what was presented to Mara was a bit different than what happened. Webb should have been the player to get into the game. But McAdoo really wanted to see if the more mobile Geno would be better for the offense. McAdoo basically lied to Mara.
I liked that we won the close games we had lost the year before, and it seemed to be because Mac made the right decisions. Maybe he did.
But then in 2017, he shows up with slicked back hair and an arrogance.
But the signs in 2016 were just overlooked. The offense used the same personnel grouping 91% of the time. We didn't use a FB. I don't think we broke 23 points on offense (the games we did had defensive scores). He made comments laying blame at Eli while propping up Flowers and the OL. And we got to that record behind a suffocating D.
And probably the biggest sign of all - we were finally a healthy team. In the top 10 of health for the first time in almost 20 years.
The 2017 happened. The terrible start. The insinuation the QB wasn't running the scheme right, while still supporting the OL. The mutiny by the D. The incompetence in handling the media and the Eli benching.
It all blew up under the weight of arrogance and years of poor drafts. And a return to being one of the most injured teams.
I know, I know... Coughlin apologist, and they had a lot of reasons to move on (even I agreed with that and even I agreed with McAdoo as the successor at the time). But....
In hindsight, would it really have been that big a deal to give Coughlin another year or two until he was ready to retire (get kicked upstairs)? Seems to me, the franchise might be in a better place right now for it. Could it have been worst than this past season?
I know, I know... Coughlin apologist, and they had a lot of reasons to move on (even I agreed with that and even I agreed with McAdoo as the successor at the time). But....
In hindsight, would it really have been that big a deal to give Coughlin another year or two until he was ready to retire (get kicked upstairs)? Seems to me, the franchise might be in a better place right now for it. Could it have been worst than this past season?
It all started after 2013. They operated on a year to year basis and that was their mistake. They should have either committed to Coughlin with a new deal after 2013/14, or moved on then.
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We made a major mistake firing Coughlin without giving Coughlin the chance to field the team with that level of investment in the defense, something that had plagued the team for years.
I know, I know... Coughlin apologist, and they had a lot of reasons to move on (even I agreed with that and even I agreed with McAdoo as the successor at the time). But....
In hindsight, would it really have been that big a deal to give Coughlin another year or two until he was ready to retire (get kicked upstairs)? Seems to me, the franchise might be in a better place right now for it. Could it have been worst than this past season?
It all started after 2013. They operated on a year to year basis and that was their mistake. They should have either committed to Coughlin with a new deal after 2013/14, or moved on then.
I think it's clear looking back that the cupboard was pretty bare between 2013 and 2016, until they finally loaded up on defense after his firing.
But I agree, rather than half measures (forcing Gilbride out), they should have moved on or recommitted then.
Hope they learned their lesson, and put the football decisions back into the hands of the football people.
He really did.
People often talk on here about a 2-3 year rebuild from a player standpoint, but what we did is push the restructure out 2 years by keeping Reese and hiring Mac and pretty much making TC the only one to go.
People often talk on here about a 2-3 year rebuild from a player standpoint, but what we did is push the restructure out 2 years by keeping Reese and hiring Mac and pretty much making TC the only one to go.
Yeah, that was the right move. Makes me think the firing of Gilbride and hiring of McAdoo, no matter what Coughlin said to the contrary, was an ownership decision.
He did get shafted, what's he going to do with Adrien Peterson in his system???? You have to completely commit to finding the right players like patriots, and not take flyers on square pegs.
Having said that, Gilbride'a system is outdated in this day and age of FA and latest CBAs.
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the guy who got screwed here is Gilbride.
He did get shafted, what's he going to do with Adrien Peterson in his system???? You have to completely commit to finding the right players like patriots, and not take flyers on square pegs.
Having said that, Gilbride'a system is outdated in this day and age of FA and latest CBAs.
Peterson -> Robinson
The plan was not thought out well, and what was presented to Mara was a bit different than what happened. Webb should have been the player to get into the game. But McAdoo really wanted to see if the more mobile Geno would be better for the offense. McAdoo basically lied to Mara.
With Webb still being inactive for the Raiders game, and what Geno has reported, it seems pretty obvious that McAdoo never had any intention of checking out Webb. He was fully invested in Geno being his guy.