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Gettleman is in a no win situation.

Des51 : 3/18/2018 4:33 pm
There are Giant fans that want a QB at 2, others want Barkley, Still others that want to trade back for more picks. I've been a Giant fan since 1958. I was 8 years old and channel surfing at my Grandmother house. Back then channel surfing meant going over 3 stations while the dial was on UHF, then switching the dial to VHF to pick up channel 12 out of Binghamton, NY. There I found the Giants playing the Colts in the Championship game and even though they lost the game the Giants won my heart. I don't care what the Giants do with the pick, I trust Gettleman will do what he truly believes is right for the Giants. I see post by fans stating how angry they will be if the guy they want or the position they want filled isn't selected. One poster stated he would sell his season tickets if they don't draft a QB. Hell I'd give my right nut to be able to afford season tickets. I've never been to a Giant's game and most likely never will. So come draft day please trust Gettleman.
I doubt he cares what the fans think of the pick  
steve in ky : 3/18/2018 4:42 pm : link
Just like Young didn't care when he drafted Simms "Phil Who"?

The bottom line will be the end results of the pick and how he performs on the field. That's what Gettleman will be judged on.
Well....  
giantsfaninphilly : 3/18/2018 4:42 pm : link
Virtually every poster that starts a thread on BBI is in a no-win situation.
Des  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2018 4:51 pm : link
I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.

I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.

The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.

To me all the scenarios make our team better.
From the heart post  
TMS : 3/18/2018 4:55 pm : link
Had tickets for 30 years in NYC and had some of my best and worst days as as a Giant fan. Trusting Gettleman/ Shurmur is not a bad option right now stay with it.
I think most fans  
mdthedream : 3/18/2018 4:55 pm : link
are just excited and really realize it could go anyway. Just hope they guy they get is really good. Also I think the fans are finally getting a guy that values O-Line play and LBs. Its a new start and I feel the team has talent to do some damage.
What?  
Giant John : 3/18/2018 4:55 pm : link
What we the fans want does not matter one bit. DG/team will do what they think best based on the information on hand and the state of the team. Time will tell if he has made the right decision. We can like or throw as many remotes as we want but he is not going to do anything based on a fans opinion. So how is he in a no win position? My God he has the second pick in the draft. Odds are pretty good he will do well.
As others have already said here...  
Matt G : 3/18/2018 4:59 pm : link
If DG gives a rats a$$ what any fan wants, then we are in deep sh*t...

And I highly doubt he does
Yeah, it would probably have been better to not be drafting so high...  
GFAN52 : 3/18/2018 4:59 pm : link
at #2. Less pressure right.

A actually having  
joeinpa : 3/18/2018 5:00 pm : link
The #2 pick in this draft is pretty much a win.

Giants earned it though
If DG is worried about fan reaction  
RobCarpenter : 3/18/2018 5:03 pm : link
He’s in the wrong job.

He’s been given the keys to the castle by ownership. He’s in a fantastic position to rebuild the Giants and set them up for long term success.

RE: A actually having  
Beer Man : 3/18/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13872977 joeinpa said:
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The #2 pick in this draft is pretty much a win.

Giants earned it though
+1. He has many good options. The losers are the fans that have fallen in love with this guy or that, and refuse to accept any of the other alternatives.
RE: As others have already said here...  
Des51 : 3/18/2018 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13872975 Matt G said:
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If DG gives a rats a$$ what any fan wants, then we are in deep sh*t...

And I highly doubt he does


I agree he doesn't care what us fans think and he shouldn't. I'm just saying he won't be able to make all fans happy come draft day.
You're right!  
TC : 3/18/2018 5:11 pm : link
Gettleman doesn't have to give a damn about trying to please all the fans in the draft. Why would he!?
RE: You're right!  
Des51 : 3/18/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13873002 TC said:
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Gettleman doesn't have to give a damn about trying to please all the fans in the draft. Why would he!?


You guys are missing my point. I not talking about Gettleman's feelings or what his decisions are based on. It's about our reactions come draft day.
Fans are upset no matter what  
Sy'56 : 3/18/2018 5:19 pm : link
Honestly....who gives a shit what they think.
I don’t get the dogmatic whack jobs  
DonnieD89 : 3/18/2018 5:20 pm : link
on this board that declare there is only one to draft. We all have opinions, but we are not the paid professionals to run th Giants organization.. Think in absolutes is being an absolute moron. I hope these posters realize that there are different ways to build a team and win. I just want my football team to win. I really want the Giants to select Barkley, but if DG goes in another direction, I will still be excited and hopeful about the future of the Giants. Having the #2 pick in the draft is always a better position be able to improve your team. I appreciate your post. It’s nice to listen to sanity.
Agree With You re Fan Reaction,  
clatterbuck : 3/18/2018 5:26 pm : link
but that's every GM, every year, every decision. Some contingent will be "throwing the remote" no matter what. For me (fan since '56) this is as interesting and fun an off season (all things considered, 3-13) as I can remember. Fwiw, I'm usually interested in informed opinions. I'm usually annoyed by opinions stated as fact. One thing I can say without equivocation is that if I'm breathing and aware, I'm still a Giants fan.
RE: Des  
Mr. Nickels : 3/18/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13872960 Rjanyg said:
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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.

I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.

The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.

To me all the scenarios make our team better.



Signing Stewart is not a good move
Ultimately he will  
St. Jimmy : 3/18/2018 5:35 pm : link
be judged by the performance of the player over their career. If they draft Barkley and they eventually win a Superbowl because of him I won't care even though I want a QB. If they go RB or trade back and 3 years from now they do not have a QB and the team stinks we'll all be pissed.
RE: Fans are upset no matter what  
Reb8thVA : 3/18/2018 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13873019 Sy'56 said:
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Honestly....who gives a shit what they think.


I think I would put it a little differently. As GM you are the expert and you do what you think is in the best interest of the team. Ultimately you know you can’t please everyone, so you do what you think is best and if you are correct everyone will eventually fall in line. You never disparage the fan base since they are the ones who ultimately pay your salary. I think this is where Reese got himself into trouble. He always held himself aloof from the fans
To the OP  
wgenesis123 : 3/18/2018 5:45 pm : link
Your an oldtimer like me but I see your new to BBI (Feb 2018) and one thing you will learn about BBI is the GM can't make everyone here happy or even come close. You can't lose when you never could win. So you don't try. DG is not worried about appeasing the fans, he just wants to get it right. If he gets it right often enough, winning will appease the fans. That however is only temporary. If DG worries about pleasing the fans he most certainly will fail.
Picking to appease fans makes for a bad GM  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2018 5:48 pm : link
DG’s job is to build the best possible team whether we agree with it or not. This fan doesn’t care what a message board or newspapers say about who we are picking at 2.
It's not no-win  
David B. : 3/18/2018 5:53 pm : link
Just draft the next, great Franchise QB or a HOF RB or Pass rusher.

Any of those is a win.
Adding one of the best players possible is never a "no-win"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2018 5:59 pm : link
. God help us if fans drive football decisions. The uproar over eli was already uncomfortably close to the maximum amount of input fans should have on a football business.
Gettleman is not going to make his decision based on what fans want  
montanagiant : 3/18/2018 6:02 pm : link
The information he has available regarding the status of our players, the draft, FA, etc...etc.. dwarfs anything we know. His decisions are going to be based on that and that alone and he cares not one whit what we desire and rightfully so.
Oh, for crissakes...  
bw in dc : 3/18/2018 6:06 pm : link
our we now laying the foundation to feel sorry for DG?

We have enough of that with Eli and his lunatic supporters.

DG has the most awesome opportunity to make an generational impact on this franchise by selecting the heir apparent QB.

Get that right and he build up quite a massive amount of equity...

generational  
section125 : 3/18/2018 6:10 pm : link
impact....whoa.

I'd like a few good starters from the draft.
RE: Oh, for crissakes...  
Tom in NY : 3/18/2018 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13873085 bw in dc said:
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our we now laying the foundation to feel sorry for DG?

We have enough of that with Eli and his lunatic supporters.

DG has the most awesome opportunity to make an generational impact on this franchise by selecting the heir apparent QB.

Get that right and he build up quite a massive amount of equity...


You Sir, are 100% on the money! Get the QB...set the franchise up for a long run. I don't want to hear about any trade downs (not at all, but especially below #4).
RE: Oh, for crissakes...  
Des51 : 3/18/2018 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13873085 bw in dc said:
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our we now laying the foundation to feel sorry for DG?

We have enough of that with Eli and his lunatic supporters.

DG has the most awesome opportunity to make an generational impact on this franchise by selecting the heir apparent QB.

Get that right and he build up quite a massive amount of
equity...

Your post is exactly what I'm talking about. You want a QB badly, and if Gettleman doesn't do it your way then he's a failure.
RE: Fans are upset no matter what  
Des51 : 3/18/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13873019 Sy'56 said:
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Honestly....who gives a shit what they think.


Sy I just think this year it's going to be much worse than others.
Des51... I hear ya... He won't please ALL of us...  
Matt G : 3/18/2018 6:21 pm : link
But that's not his job... We all have our amateur opinions, but we won't give a cr*p if we're hosting a 5th Lombardi trophy...

THAT is his job... And he will have "won" at that point...
One things was made crystal clear...  
bw in dc : 3/18/2018 6:22 pm : link
in Geno-Gate - Mara is ultra sensitive now to the fan base.

Granted, when boiled down to what this is - a business, he should have his finger on the pulse of his customers. But Mara had a football nervous breakdown

I've never seen him so flustered. It was like he was reading BBI and making nothing but emotion decisions.

I really wouldn't be surprised if he's lurking on BBI right now trying to gauge what the best pick would be with the least amount of fan disruption...
Des 51.. I hear you...  
Tark10 : 3/18/2018 6:48 pm : link
Been a fan since 1971. 4 yrs younger then you. Only game I ever saw was an exhibition game at the Yale Bowl in 1972. Jets Giants. 31-31 tie. Never a Jet fan but Namath was amazing. Lets hope Gettleman gets it right. I would be happy with Barkley or Nelson. I don't think these Q.B.'s are worth top picks.. Lets see what happens. The draft is always fun.. This year may be more fun.
RE: Adding one of the best players possible is never a  
crick n NC : 3/18/2018 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13873078 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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. God help us if fans drive football decisions. The uproar over eli was already uncomfortably close to the maximum amount of input fans should have on a football business.


But fans weren't the only uproar, colleagues around the NFL also were quite vocal.

I get fans not knowing what the heck is going on, but maybe the uproar was somewhat justified.
RE: I doubt he cares what the fans think of the pick  
SethFromAstoria : 3/18/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13872950 steve in ky said:
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Just like Young didn't care when he drafted Simms "Phil Who"?

The bottom line will be the end results of the pick and how he performs on the field. That's what Gettleman will be judged on.


well said. I think he's in the most ideal spot possible. When you think of it as someone confident in his abikities and unconcerned with what modern fans think. fans now don't know what they thing....and in truth as funny as it sounds, there are a ton of fans - younger ones I think - who are more entertained by firings, trades, drafts etc, than the game itself. What could be btter for a gm than to have

a) #2 pick ....not 1..where his choice one of those qbs,

b) a supposed generational rb

c) recent jets help that forces numerous teams to send even more than the Colts in any offer

Worst case is he makes many people happy and gets a top talent.
The OP is confusing disagreement vs win/loss  
giantstock : 3/18/2018 7:25 pm : link
I want the Giants to draft a QB. If they don;t, more than likely I'll be fine. I really don't know how good these QB's are. The Giants have pro scouts who did this for a living. I am just guessing on law of averages.

If the giants only feel the QB's will be slightly better or the same as ebb- ofc I'd want them to either select another position or trade down. I think 99% of everyone feels this way.
RE: RE: Des  
the mike : 3/18/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13873039 Mr. Nickels said:
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In comment 13872960 Rjanyg said:


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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.

I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.

The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.

To me all the scenarios make our team better.




Signing Stewart is not a good move


Completely depends on what happens... remember Ottis Anderson was an old, slow, washed up running back when he came to the Giants in 1986 - the Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without him. You may be right about Stewart.... But so far, Gettleman has done nothing to dissuade me that each action is not an important step in vastly improving the talent and culture of this team...
If Gettleman goes by what we as fans want to do at 2 .  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/18/2018 7:28 pm : link
I want a new GM
i have far more confidence in gettleman  
japanhead : 3/18/2018 7:37 pm : link
and schurmur than i did reese and mcadoo. at this point i will trust they have a vision and know what they're doing.
Im hoping  
capegman : 3/18/2018 7:38 pm : link
They draft Barkley even more now so I can get some guys season tickets.
People will always believe what they want to believe  
DieHard : 3/18/2018 7:46 pm : link
If you think Giants management is clueless and incompetent, any success will be looked at as dumb luck, and any failure as just more proof of incompetence, and vice versa. At least Gettleman doesn't seem to be the type of person who cares about whether fans love him or not.
Philly442  
idiotsavant : 3/18/2018 8:24 pm : link
Truthing w irony 'n style
Well think this GM is a chess player not a  
TMS : 3/18/2018 8:47 pm : link
checker player like our last one. we will see.
RE: RE: RE: Des  
kinard : 3/18/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13873162 the mike said:
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In comment 13873039 Mr. Nickels said:


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In comment 13872960 Rjanyg said:


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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.

I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.

The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.

To me all the scenarios make our team better.




Signing Stewart is not a good move



Completely depends on what happens... remember Ottis Anderson was an old, slow, washed up running back when he came to the Giants in 1986 - the Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without him. You may be right about Stewart.... But so far, Gettleman has done nothing to dissuade me that each action is not an important step in vastly improving the talent and culture of this team...


The Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without OJ Anderson? So not true - OJ Anderson had little to do with Giants winning in '86. Lee Rouson and Tony Galbreath played much bigger roles at RB than Anderson in '86. Anderson was signed as insurance in case Joe Morris got hurt, but he had less than 100 yards on the ground that year. I think he got signed after Galbreath got hurt about 8 games in... he did score a garbage time TD in the Super Bowl though.

Now the the 1990 season was different and OJ was huge down the stretch when Hampton went down during that run. In 1986 though, OJ was pretty much a non-factor.

Now my option ain't worth a damn, but I would be sprinting to the podium to pick Barkley next month....
Two things OP  
Daniel in MI : 3/18/2018 9:38 pm : link
First, pick,a weekend, go scalp or buy tix off stubhub. You deserve to see a game in person at least once.

Second, fans voice opinions and make stupid trhreats but don’t follow through. Most of us hope for one thing or another but get on board if the logic is sound. Take the Eli pick. One criticism I had of Accoursi was he fell in love with players in the draft and overspent at times. When he traded for Eli my initial thought was he did it again. But at the same time, I said if Eli leads us to a SB, then it doesn’t matter. Turns out I was right in one sense, we could have had BR by standing pat plus all the picks, or Rivers. Both have been good NFL QBs (though Eli had more character and was a better fit for NYG’s media fishbowl.) But, Eli won us 2 amazing SBs so who cares what we traded for him. In the end, it’s about SBs. Important bonus, I can feel good Eli is a class act.
...  
christian : 3/18/2018 9:43 pm : link
It's a funny time to claim what the fans think doesn't matter.

The former general manager and coach in some part were just fired (probably inevitably) because the fans got their feelings hurt when their hero got benched.
DG  
Dragon : 3/19/2018 2:29 am : link
Is the new GM if his team does not win in two or three years then everyone will be calling for his head. The main problem he has is that this franchise went away from the the norm with the axes in the back they threw this year to management. He has stated that he believes Eli has some game left in him this from a guy who said i'll watch the film before making a decision.

The team is today doing the patch job with the belief they can win even while changing the offense, defense, coaches and personnel. They are IMO delaying the inevitable this is a fragile mental group of players without leadership this takes time to develop. The #2, pick is going to say we believe we can win now or we are looking to the future not sure what to expect with the moves completed time will tell.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Des  
the mike : 3/19/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13873278 kinard said:
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In comment 13873162 the mike said:


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In comment 13873039 Mr. Nickels said:


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In comment 13872960 Rjanyg said:


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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.

I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.

The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.

To me all the scenarios make our team better.




Signing Stewart is not a good move



Completely depends on what happens... remember Ottis Anderson was an old, slow, washed up running back when he came to the Giants in 1986 - the Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without him. You may be right about Stewart.... But so far, Gettleman has done nothing to dissuade me that each action is not an important step in vastly improving the talent and culture of this team...



The Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without OJ Anderson? So not true - OJ Anderson had little to do with Giants winning in '86. Lee Rouson and Tony Galbreath played much bigger roles at RB than Anderson in '86. Anderson was signed as insurance in case Joe Morris got hurt, but he had less than 100 yards on the ground that year. I think he got signed after Galbreath got hurt about 8 games in... he did score a garbage time TD in the Super Bowl though.

Now the the 1990 season was different and OJ was huge down the stretch when Hampton went down during that run. In 1986 though, OJ was pretty much a non-factor.

Now my option ain't worth a damn, but I would be sprinting to the podium to pick Barkley next month....


The addition of Anderson was a key to the culture of that team - while you are right that he he did not do much on the field in 1986, he was a very successful back in the NFL who knew what success was as a running back in the league. His addition was a great add to the culture of the team. And he was a motivator to guys like Morris and later Lewis Tillman and Rodney Hampton. Having Stewart on this team is similar in that respect and, oh by the way, he might be a great insurance policy if Barkley were to get hurt...it turned out he wasn't washed up at all and had a remarkable year in 1990 culminating in the super bowl and being named mvp... we can agree to disagree on his impact, but the Giants won two super bowls under Parcells and Anderson was on both teams and scored in both games...
Maybe he should rush  
pjcas18 : 3/19/2018 8:48 am : link
for a change of atmosphere.

Switching  
TMS : 3/19/2018 9:06 am : link
spots with the Browns and taking Nelson at #4 plus getting a few more picks is not a bad option to make this team instantly competitive next year. Thats if you really believe ELI behind a decent OL can get it done right away.
in my mind he has to be thinking  
mdc1 : 3/19/2018 12:03 pm : link
1) what if Eli is done and it becomes obvious immediately
2) what if Webb is not the guy we were counting on

if 1 or the other happens here, this franchise is set back.

Intelligent folks select a QB in the first round as the purpose of the draft is to invest in the future. Eli is not the future, and Webb is uncertain. Geno is backup, yikes.
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