There are Giant fans that want a QB at 2, others want Barkley, Still others that want to trade back for more picks. I've been a Giant fan since 1958. I was 8 years old and channel surfing at my Grandmother house. Back then channel surfing meant going over 3 stations while the dial was on UHF, then switching the dial to VHF to pick up channel 12 out of Binghamton, NY. There I found the Giants playing the Colts in the Championship game and even though they lost the game the Giants won my heart. I don't care what the Giants do with the pick, I trust Gettleman will do what he truly believes is right for the Giants. I see post by fans stating how angry they will be if the guy they want or the position they want filled isn't selected. One poster stated he would sell his season tickets if they don't draft a QB. Hell I'd give my right nut to be able to afford season tickets. I've never been to a Giant's game and most likely never will. So come draft day please trust Gettleman.
The bottom line will be the end results of the pick and how he performs on the field. That's what Gettleman will be judged on.
I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.
The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.
To me all the scenarios make our team better.
And I highly doubt he does
Giants earned it though
He’s been given the keys to the castle by ownership. He’s in a fantastic position to rebuild the Giants and set them up for long term success.
Giants earned it though
And I highly doubt he does
I agree he doesn't care what us fans think and he shouldn't. I'm just saying he won't be able to make all fans happy come draft day.
You guys are missing my point. I not talking about Gettleman's feelings or what his decisions are based on. It's about our reactions come draft day.
I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.
The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.
To me all the scenarios make our team better.
Signing Stewart is not a good move
I think I would put it a little differently. As GM you are the expert and you do what you think is in the best interest of the team. Ultimately you know you can’t please everyone, so you do what you think is best and if you are correct everyone will eventually fall in line. You never disparage the fan base since they are the ones who ultimately pay your salary. I think this is where Reese got himself into trouble. He always held himself aloof from the fans
Any of those is a win.
We have enough of that with Eli and his lunatic supporters.
DG has the most awesome opportunity to make an generational impact on this franchise by selecting the heir apparent QB.
Get that right and he build up quite a massive amount of equity...
I'd like a few good starters from the draft.
We have enough of that with Eli and his lunatic supporters.
DG has the most awesome opportunity to make an generational impact on this franchise by selecting the heir apparent QB.
Get that right and he build up quite a massive amount of equity...
You Sir, are 100% on the money! Get the QB...set the franchise up for a long run. I don't want to hear about any trade downs (not at all, but especially below #4).
We have enough of that with Eli and his lunatic supporters.
DG has the most awesome opportunity to make an generational impact on this franchise by selecting the heir apparent QB.
Get that right and he build up quite a massive amount of
equity...
Your post is exactly what I'm talking about. You want a QB badly, and if Gettleman doesn't do it your way then he's a failure.
Sy I just think this year it's going to be much worse than others.
THAT is his job... And he will have "won" at that point...
Granted, when boiled down to what this is - a business, he should have his finger on the pulse of his customers. But Mara had a football nervous breakdown
I've never seen him so flustered. It was like he was reading BBI and making nothing but emotion decisions.
I really wouldn't be surprised if he's lurking on BBI right now trying to gauge what the best pick would be with the least amount of fan disruption...
But fans weren't the only uproar, colleagues around the NFL also were quite vocal.
I get fans not knowing what the heck is going on, but maybe the uproar was somewhat justified.
The bottom line will be the end results of the pick and how he performs on the field. That's what Gettleman will be judged on.
well said. I think he's in the most ideal spot possible. When you think of it as someone confident in his abikities and unconcerned with what modern fans think. fans now don't know what they thing....and in truth as funny as it sounds, there are a ton of fans - younger ones I think - who are more entertained by firings, trades, drafts etc, than the game itself. What could be btter for a gm than to have
a) #2 pick ....not 1..where his choice one of those qbs,
b) a supposed generational rb
c) recent jets help that forces numerous teams to send even more than the Colts in any offer
Worst case is he makes many people happy and gets a top talent.
If the giants only feel the QB's will be slightly better or the same as ebb- ofc I'd want them to either select another position or trade down. I think 99% of everyone feels this way.
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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.
I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.
The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.
To me all the scenarios make our team better.
Signing Stewart is not a good move
Completely depends on what happens... remember Ottis Anderson was an old, slow, washed up running back when he came to the Giants in 1986 - the Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without him. You may be right about Stewart.... But so far, Gettleman has done nothing to dissuade me that each action is not an important step in vastly improving the talent and culture of this team...
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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.
I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.
The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.
To me all the scenarios make our team better.
Signing Stewart is not a good move
Completely depends on what happens... remember Ottis Anderson was an old, slow, washed up running back when he came to the Giants in 1986 - the Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without him. You may be right about Stewart.... But so far, Gettleman has done nothing to dissuade me that each action is not an important step in vastly improving the talent and culture of this team...
The Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without OJ Anderson? So not true - OJ Anderson had little to do with Giants winning in '86. Lee Rouson and Tony Galbreath played much bigger roles at RB than Anderson in '86. Anderson was signed as insurance in case Joe Morris got hurt, but he had less than 100 yards on the ground that year. I think he got signed after Galbreath got hurt about 8 games in... he did score a garbage time TD in the Super Bowl though.
Now the the 1990 season was different and OJ was huge down the stretch when Hampton went down during that run. In 1986 though, OJ was pretty much a non-factor.
Now my option ain't worth a damn, but I would be sprinting to the podium to pick Barkley next month....
Second, fans voice opinions and make stupid trhreats but don’t follow through. Most of us hope for one thing or another but get on board if the logic is sound. Take the Eli pick. One criticism I had of Accoursi was he fell in love with players in the draft and overspent at times. When he traded for Eli my initial thought was he did it again. But at the same time, I said if Eli leads us to a SB, then it doesn’t matter. Turns out I was right in one sense, we could have had BR by standing pat plus all the picks, or Rivers. Both have been good NFL QBs (though Eli had more character and was a better fit for NYG’s media fishbowl.) But, Eli won us 2 amazing SBs so who cares what we traded for him. In the end, it’s about SBs. Important bonus, I can feel good Eli is a class act.
The former general manager and coach in some part were just fired (probably inevitably) because the fans got their feelings hurt when their hero got benched.
The team is today doing the patch job with the belief they can win even while changing the offense, defense, coaches and personnel. They are IMO delaying the inevitable this is a fragile mental group of players without leadership this takes time to develop. The #2, pick is going to say we believe we can win now or we are looking to the future not sure what to expect with the moves completed time will tell.
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I do trust DG to do what is best for the NYG. The offseason has been very good with his first move of trading for Ogletree, tendering Jones, signing Solder, Omameh, Stewart and Martin all very good moves.
I am still expecting vet cuts of Harris and Jerry and maybe even Marshall.
The draft is such an interesting opportunity to land our future QB, land an amazing RB or trade back, loading up on picks and selecting an outstanding OG. I am good with which ever way DG goes. I would understand drafting Darnold, Rosen or Barkley at pick 2. I would hope if Nelson is the pick that we get him at pick 4 or 5 after a trade down.
To me all the scenarios make our team better.
Signing Stewart is not a good move
Completely depends on what happens... remember Ottis Anderson was an old, slow, washed up running back when he came to the Giants in 1986 - the Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without him. You may be right about Stewart.... But so far, Gettleman has done nothing to dissuade me that each action is not an important step in vastly improving the talent and culture of this team...
The Giants don't win either of their first two super bowls without OJ Anderson? So not true - OJ Anderson had little to do with Giants winning in '86. Lee Rouson and Tony Galbreath played much bigger roles at RB than Anderson in '86. Anderson was signed as insurance in case Joe Morris got hurt, but he had less than 100 yards on the ground that year. I think he got signed after Galbreath got hurt about 8 games in... he did score a garbage time TD in the Super Bowl though.
Now the the 1990 season was different and OJ was huge down the stretch when Hampton went down during that run. In 1986 though, OJ was pretty much a non-factor.
Now my option ain't worth a damn, but I would be sprinting to the podium to pick Barkley next month....
The addition of Anderson was a key to the culture of that team - while you are right that he he did not do much on the field in 1986, he was a very successful back in the NFL who knew what success was as a running back in the league. His addition was a great add to the culture of the team. And he was a motivator to guys like Morris and later Lewis Tillman and Rodney Hampton. Having Stewart on this team is similar in that respect and, oh by the way, he might be a great insurance policy if Barkley were to get hurt...it turned out he wasn't washed up at all and had a remarkable year in 1990 culminating in the super bowl and being named mvp... we can agree to disagree on his impact, but the Giants won two super bowls under Parcells and Anderson was on both teams and scored in both games...
2) what if Webb is not the guy we were counting on
if 1 or the other happens here, this franchise is set back.
Intelligent folks select a QB in the first round as the purpose of the draft is to invest in the future. Eli is not the future, and Webb is uncertain. Geno is backup, yikes.