Matter of fact look at all the throws and tell me this kid is not going to be a star. Better yet, look at his feet and look at his pin point throws to running backs on the edge.
No other qb that has ever come out of college did not have concussions. They are just documented now. This kid has it all, strong arm, pin point accuracy and not only that he does what a franchise qb is suppose to which is make others around him better. Name me the top offensive talent on that team and he still puts up numbers. Where are the all american lineman on that team? Browns would be beyond dumb not to take him period. I would be beyond hype if DG drafts him as I know this kid will bring us stability for the next 12 seasons.
If you look at any of the QB's highlights they look like world beaters go look at the games. These guys all have to develop the top three in this case I'm Allen, Darnold and Rosen i'll take the most naturally gifted QB. Look everone has there favorites that's what's it's all going to come down to who do they like the most.
Rosen is my least favorite prospect. His body didn't hold up in college and it won't hold up in nfl imo
Exactly. The guy had 2 concussions and hurt his shoulder in the college ranks. What do you think is gonna happen when an NFL LB hits him square in the back? How many games is he going to miss because he's in the concussion protocol?
He might not ever have a concussion ever again but he's had 2 in one year and if I'm DG I wouldn't bet everything on the fact that he won't have another one. Especially when the science says once you've had one you're more likely to have another.
Rosen is my favorite QB in this draft but the injury and concussion risk is real. I still might pull the trigger on him at 2 but only if I think the injuries are behind him (based on medical advice, etc.). Otherwise, I’d rather go Darnold or Mayfield.
So Mr. Rodgers has suffered two concussions, broken foot, anf fractured hus clavical twice. Would you run from him? I’d be interested to know what his medical looks like after he team physical.
Josh Rosen: One hundred percent. Wasn't major surgery at all. I had a small tear in one of the muscles in the rotator cuff. They didn't actually repair anything. They scoped it, cleaned out the area, drained it and it healed on its own.
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Mdgiantsfan : 6:50 am : link : reply
So Mr. Rodgers has suffered two concussions, broken foot, anf fractured hus clavical twice. Would you run from him? I’d be interested to know what his medical looks like after he team physical.
Rodgers is starting to quickly approach Tony Romo territory. His injuries have derailed at least two seasons for the Pack.
I wouldn't run from him, but if you sign him, you aren't going to get many more great years, and the concerns would be a lot worse than Rosen's.
Read your post back again about rodgers as if he were in the draft. Would you take a chance on him at #2 with those mounting injuries?
lol I would definitely draft a 23 year old Rosen if I knew he was going to be Romo
Even more of a pass for me.. injuries and a professional level choke artist.. How many Super Bowls .. ney.. Playoff games did Tony win? Tony Romo is your idea of a franchise QB? smh
There is a risk of repeated concussions but that risk can be mitigated over time without concussions.
Ie- a lesser shot will cause a concussion that it otherwise wouldn't
Which is likely why he got his 2nd 4 weeks later and why UCLA sat him for a Bowl game. The risk goes up of a lesser shot causing concussion
If the Giants sit Rosen 1 season- it will have been over 1.5 years since his concussions.
That should clear the risk of what you are talking about
And he could potentially sit 2 seasons depending on Eli
Although I would prefer Darnold, I agree with you on Rose 's concussion issue. One year holding the clipboard will do a world of good for this young man. Wouldn't hate this pick.
is not the issue with Rosen. He's the best player in the draft. But is his injury history preclusive? Can he stay on the field? I'd pass, but he certainly isn't a "remote thrower" pick.
Rosen could be like having a Ferrari with no gas. It's nice to look at and sit in, but you aren't going anywhere.
Sure lets nitpick the best throws and value a QB on them. Should I start to pull his worst throws in youtube and post them? Its meaningless, just like a players college workout in shorts with no defense.
Scouts will judge these guys based on how they do under fire, thats all that matters. Many players are world beaters on youtube.
So Mr. Rodgers has suffered two concussions, broken foot, anf fractured hus clavical twice. Would you run from him? I’d be interested to know what his medical looks like after he team physical.
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Rodgers also already has 10 seasons as a starter behind him, 2 MVPs, and a Super Bowl win. He's 34 on the back-nine of his career. You have to look at him a little different than you do a guy just coming into the league.
I actually am only mildly concerned with the concussions. I generally wouldn't run from someone who has had a concussion, but it's really not that he's had two of them, it's, what happens when/if he gets a third? And then a fourth? Does he keep playing after four concussions?
I haven't really given that much thought, however, I don't think it matters, because I don't think he's one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the draft anyway. I'd have him just above Baker without the medicals as the third best. I don't think Baker is a good fit for NY or playing for the Giants, I think he'd be better on a team where he was assured of not playing a lot of games in weather. Like Arizona or Minnesota. If I'm the GM of the Cardinals I think I'd prefer Baker over Rosen, but if I'm the GM of the Giants I'd have it the other way, generally.
Anybody can get injured. You draft talent, period.
If his body cannot tolerate hits from college players without missing games, I cannot imagine what would happen if he is hit by NFL players. Eli Manning gets hit and doesn't miss any time. Tony Romo took fewer hits and sustained a number of serious injuries.
Andrew Luck was a premier talent at QB. Guess what? He got injured. Cam Newton is a beast of a man. He got injured. Aaron Rogers got injured. Most QBs suffer injuries. Brett Favre and Eli Manning are the exceptions to the rule. To discount Rosen bc he might get injured is ridiculous.
Only two questions are valid. Does he have the talent -- poise, accuracy, intelligence? Can he be a team leader?
genetically more pre-disposed to injury/broken bones and so forth than others.
I'm not trying to blow the injury thing out of proportion but it is a legitimate part of evaluating a player; has to be factored into the grade. And I'm not saying Rosen is brittle, but you can't just total disregard injuries as if they don't matter at all. They matter.
I don't hate Rosen as a prospect, though.
Exactly. The guy had 2 concussions and hurt his shoulder in the college ranks. What do you think is gonna happen when an NFL LB hits him square in the back? How many games is he going to miss because he's in the concussion protocol?
He might not ever have a concussion ever again but he's had 2 in one year and if I'm DG I wouldn't bet everything on the fact that he won't have another one. Especially when the science says once you've had one you're more likely to have another.
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Josh Rosen: One hundred percent. Wasn't major surgery at all. I had a small tear in one of the muscles in the rotator cuff. They didn't actually repair anything. They scoped it, cleaned out the area, drained it and it healed on its own.
Ie- a lesser shot will cause a concussion that it otherwise wouldn't
Which is likely why he got his 2nd 4 weeks later and why UCLA sat him for a Bowl game. The risk goes up of a lesser shot causing concussion
If the Giants sit Rosen 1 season- it will have been over 1.5 years since his concussions.
That should clear the risk of what you are talking about
And he could potentially sit 2 seasons depending on Eli
Mdgiantsfan : 6:50 am : link : reply
So Mr. Rodgers has suffered two concussions, broken foot, anf fractured hus clavical twice. Would you run from him? I’d be interested to know what his medical looks like after he team physical.
Rodgers is starting to quickly approach Tony Romo territory. His injuries have derailed at least two seasons for the Pack.
I wouldn't run from him, but if you sign him, you aren't going to get many more great years, and the concerns would be a lot worse than Rosen's.
Read your post back again about rodgers as if he were in the draft. Would you take a chance on him at #2 with those mounting injuries?
I wouldn't.
lol I would definitely draft a 23 year old Rosen if I knew he was going to be Romo
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Very talented but often injured. Pass.
lol I would definitely draft a 23 year old Rosen if I knew he was going to be Romo
Even more of a pass for me.. injuries and a professional level choke artist.. How many Super Bowls .. ney.. Playoff games did Tony win? Tony Romo is your idea of a franchise QB? smh
Ie- a lesser shot will cause a concussion that it otherwise wouldn't
Which is likely why he got his 2nd 4 weeks later and why UCLA sat him for a Bowl game. The risk goes up of a lesser shot causing concussion
If the Giants sit Rosen 1 season- it will have been over 1.5 years since his concussions.
That should clear the risk of what you are talking about
And he could potentially sit 2 seasons depending on Eli
Although I would prefer Darnold, I agree with you on Rose 's concussion issue. One year holding the clipboard will do a world of good for this young man. Wouldn't hate this pick.
Rosen could be like having a Ferrari with no gas. It's nice to look at and sit in, but you aren't going anywhere.
Scouts will judge these guys based on how they do under fire, thats all that matters. Many players are world beaters on youtube.
Also, he just turned 21 a few weeks ago (not 23)
Rosen is VERY accurate !
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Rodgers also already has 10 seasons as a starter behind him, 2 MVPs, and a Super Bowl win. He's 34 on the back-nine of his career. You have to look at him a little different than you do a guy just coming into the league.
I actually am only mildly concerned with the concussions. I generally wouldn't run from someone who has had a concussion, but it's really not that he's had two of them, it's, what happens when/if he gets a third? And then a fourth? Does he keep playing after four concussions?
I haven't really given that much thought, however, I don't think it matters, because I don't think he's one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the draft anyway. I'd have him just above Baker without the medicals as the third best. I don't think Baker is a good fit for NY or playing for the Giants, I think he'd be better on a team where he was assured of not playing a lot of games in weather. Like Arizona or Minnesota. If I'm the GM of the Cardinals I think I'd prefer Baker over Rosen, but if I'm the GM of the Giants I'd have it the other way, generally.
If his body cannot tolerate hits from college players without missing games, I cannot imagine what would happen if he is hit by NFL players. Eli Manning gets hit and doesn't miss any time. Tony Romo took fewer hits and sustained a number of serious injuries.
Only two questions are valid. Does he have the talent -- poise, accuracy, intelligence? Can he be a team leader?
I'm not trying to blow the injury thing out of proportion but it is a legitimate part of evaluating a player; has to be factored into the grade. And I'm not saying Rosen is brittle, but you can't just total disregard injuries as if they don't matter at all. They matter.