Shouldn’t Buffalo be targeting Cleveland #4?

Its because you covet one qb, and to then see that qb picked because you werent willing to go all in and pay the price makes all your moves a failure.

draft 1st. If they go QB, maybe Cleveland trades down. If they go Barkley 1st, they are not trading.

But as you said Cleveland has a lot of picks already. Six in the top 65. Plus a fair amount in rds 4-7.

I see Cleveland as wanting to draft talent this year, and with the high picks they have,they'll get it. I really don't see them trading back and adding more picks, more likely there a chance of them using a couple picks to move up IMO.

It's possible they see better value this year by trading #4 for 12 and 22, but I'm thinking they want the top tier talent they'd get at 4.

But if Cleveland can get a QB and Barkley, why would they want to.

On draft day when the 4th pick is on the clock if Buffalos QB is still available they will make a huge offer to Cleveland. NO to trading for this pick sooner

picked at 1, 2, and 3

If the Browns, Giants, and Jets all select a QB, then yes the Bills should move up to jump Denver, and possibly hold off AZ.

If the Giants take a non-QB, then they could sit tight or trade into the 8-10 range, depending on their rankings.

Once you get past Denver, no one needs a QB until the Bills. They will have more ammunition to jump into that 8-10 range to secure a spot ahead of any trade AZ might make.

The wildcard for me after the top 7 picks is whether or not Miami goes QB at 11.

Draft day decision.

I think if Barkley is gone at 1.. The Giants trade out of the #2 with the Bills.

Bills get the last laugh on the JETS... and the Giants get a boat load of picks.

Remember Odell was selected with the 12th overall.

I think you can really rebuild this team fast with some high end talent. Also who knows who will fall to #12? If Allen falls to there or Mayfield.. do you take them?

...base on their latest 3-round mock which notes that, with QBs going 1-2-3, the 4th pick could become, "...the key pick in the entire draft," with teams like Buffalo and Denver maneuvering to ensure that they at least get the 4th best QB in this draft.

but to me it doesn't make sense to trade all the way up to 4, giving up everything, to get the #4 QB unless its a draft day trade and their guy is there. And I don't buy them having a relatively equal grade on all 4 of these guys so it would be very strange for them to pull the trigger on this right now.

Depends on how much Cleveland loves Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson. If they really love one of those guys they prob won’t come off 4 unless the Giants take that guy at 2.

CLE already has enough picks. They don't need more

Jets fooked them.

how Cleveland has anything to gain by trading down.

As others have said, they are likely looking for quality over quantity at this point.

I think it's more likely that they spend 1 and 4 and then look to use some of ammo to sneak into the bottom of the first and walk away with 3 first rounders.

I don't see them moving down at all.

are likely looking for quality over quantity as well. It's rare to get blue chip cost-controlled talent, and we haven't picked this high in 37 years.

on trade up.

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for Buffalo.

No such thing. They were 0-16 last year.

and Barkley to trade down for quantity?

I wouldn't.

You take the QB at 1. If the deal is good enough, yes I would give up Barkley for a boat load of picks.

“We know what we’re looking for. We know when we see it.”

If they see that guy in this draft class and he's available at 2, they will take him.

and probably their pick of Barkley/Chubb/Nelson, AND they already have plenty of ammunition to move up and snag a player they want late in the first if they choose.

Seriously doubt they trade back.

As Jon said, the Giants likely aren't moving either. The first 4 picks will go Browns, Giants, Jets, Browns. I would be surprised if it didn't.

In comment 13873565 Sy'56 said:

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CLE already has enough picks. They don't need more

IK the #4 is far more likely to be a starter/ star than #12, but I think this draft, though not spectacular,has good players down to 40/45 that could be starters, especially at need positions, like CB.
But #12,33,35, and Bills 53&56 picks to move up in the second, maybe twice and get 2 more top 40-45, and maybe get a Bills pick in '19 could be enticing to a guy like Dorsey.
Unless football people disagree with my 40-45 evaluation.

That would be amazing for our #2 pick's value. DEN would have to give up the farm for our pick then

The #22.
The 12,22,33,35, and 53, at the least, is still a good haul, and their package of picks all together, is good maneuvering assets to work with.

might as well dream for the following:

Cleveland goes QB#1. Trades up from 4 to 2 with us to take Saquon. Jets take QB at 3. We then trade out of 4 with the Bills who take their QB.

To go from 2 to 12, we end up with some combination of 1st and 2nds this year and next from Cleveland and the Bills.

If Buffalo only gets to 4 they would sacrifice a ton to get the 4th QB taken. I can't imagine that they do not have a ranking system that does not have a separation between the top 4 QBs. If there is any separation on their board they would have to assume they would be getting their 4th choice. I honestly think the offers for the second pick are going to be too good to pass up.

If we're trading back, one of the picks would be Cleveland taking a non-QB with either the 1st or 4th pick.

that's a reply to the OP.

It comes down to who they like. If there are three or four they like, they will have to move ahead of Denver at 5 if they want one of them. They also can't really sit at 12 and hope one falls with the Dolphins at 11, the Cardinals at 15, and the Ravens at 16.

Or Buffalo for that matter, especially if your gut regarding the Giants is true.

First, from Cleveland's perspective they can take their preferred QB at #1 and then grab Barkley at #4 after the Giants and Jets both go QB. And after the Jets move to #3 and the Giants needing a QB, there's no way the Browns are gambling that the guy they want will still be there at #4. Much more likely that 1-3 are all QBs at this point.

From Buffalo's perspective, why give up numerous first round picks for the 4th best QB in the draft? They need new scouts if they think 4 QBs are all "equal" value.

And personally I think the Jets were dumb to make the move to #3 this early. Guarantees Cleveland goes QB at #1 (though I think them taking Barkley #1 and waiting to #4 for a QB was fan BS to begin with). Then you have the Giants at #2 who could easily go QB. And finally, you just telegraphed to all the other QB needy teams (Denver, Buffalo, etc) that they need to make a deal to #2 unless they are OK with the 4th/5th best QB prospect (highly doubt that). So basically, by making the deal now, the Jets significantly upped the odds of getting the 3rd best QB.

at least a first rounder net year if we deal #2 this year...

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The Giants could also take Barkley. If they do, Cleveland may not have a guy they love with the 4th pick (assuming you're correct they go QB with #1).

The QBs don't have to be equal for Buffalo to like the guy they could get at 4 a lot more than what their choices would be at 12 and to believe that he is a potential franchise QB.