He said, the Jets are convinced Giants are not taking quarterback with the second pick, Schwartz seems to concur with that assessment.
Said Giants will be true to their board, and just doesn't believe they have any of the quarterbacks valued as the second best player in the draft
Believes Chubb is a distinct possibility or a trade down with Denver for Nelson
Do we max out at two firsts from them? The thing with DEN is that their future picks are worth the least of any of the teams looking to trade up imo. BUF's 2019 first is looking a lot better than DEN's. But Nelson/Chubb/Barkley might be worth more than that BEF first too.
I would not be a fan of them taking Chub at two, but there is no guarantee that trading down allows the Giants the chance to get “Blue Chip/HOF” which includes Nelson, Barkley, Fitzpatrick and yes Chub.
So assume Denver doesn’t want to pay the Giants a Kong’s randsone, whose trading with NYG? Indy won’t at 6. Cleveland won’t at 4. Jets have little left at 3.
For those of you who are already pissed off or plan to be pissed off, May I suggest evaluating your life. If a sport makes you that upset you have major issues. FYI not one player on the team cares about you.
I would not be a fan of them taking Chub at two, but there is no guarantee that trading down allows the Giants the chance to get “Blue Chip/HOF” which includes Nelson, Barkley, Fitzpatrick and yes Chub.
So assume Denver doesn’t want to pay the Giants a Kong’s randsone, whose trading with NYG? Indy won’t at 6. Cleveland won’t at 4. Jets have little left at 3.
For those of you who are already pissed off or plan to be pissed off, May I suggest evaluating your life. If a sport makes you that upset you have major issues. FYI not one player on the team cares about you.
I suggest you take your own advice instead of tilting at windmills.
However, swapping with the Broncos and moving back to #5 makes a lot of sense as they will basically be guaranteed the second best non-QB in the draft.
Unless the top non-QB they have on their board is far and away better than the next, trade with the Broncos.
Personally, I am hoping the either have a QB rated high enough for #2, or get a great trade down offer from DEN if they don't.
These posts always crack me up. We're talking football on a Giants message board, so how about keeping these comments in that context? Yes, I'd be pissed off if we passed up on Darnold or Rosen and they became stars QBs elsewhere, especially the Jets - but I'd be more pissed off if I lost my job or had to deal with some personal tragedy. Hope that clarifies things.
That doesn't mean it won't happen, but the Giants have been horrible for decades now in keeping their intentions secret, and that includes with Gettleman here under Accorsi and Reese.
Every year there a bunch of people who claim "smoke screen" and every year we find out there was no smoke screen.
It will be interesting to see what happens and see if the Giants have turned a corner in keeping their intentions quiet. But based on past events, it may very well be that the Giants don't even have the QBs on their board at #2.
Assuming Cleveland takes one at the top. We trade with Denver who takes the next one at 2. The Jets take one at 3.
It's possible Buffalo overwhelms Cleveland with picks to jump to 4 and the last big QB is taken.
It's conceivable that NYG can the best player in this draft (Barkley) at pick #5 and on top of that, picked up additional draft capital including a 2019 1st in the process.
A lot of moving parts there but not impossible.
1. Trade down and get Nelson
2. Barkley at 2
3. Trade down and get Chubb or Fitzpatrick
4. Trade way down for a boatload of picks
And then having to watch the Jets new QB lead them to multiple playoffs and SB Championships, while the Giants struggle for years in QB hell...
That is the nightmare that could unfold.
Extra draft picks + player (Nelson?) at #5 > Chubb.
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Watching the hordes of slobbering Barkley boosters lose their minds will be hilarious.
Who do you want at two?
Honestly, a trade down would be my preferred outcome.
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And what if they take a qb and that qb busts?
What if they don't take a QB and Eli continues his massive decline and Webb is terrible?
Then it is going to be a long rebuild but you can't force qb if you don't believe that qb will be a great player..
Right..and none of us are qualified to give a truly informed opinion on these QBs. Yet teams are desperately trying to move up to grab them...
But in your mind none of them are future franchise QBs. This is the most divided I have ever seen this board. Those of us that want to move on from Eli think this is a great crop of QB talent (NFL teams clearly also agree), and those that want to cling to Eli think they are all going to be busts.
I, on the other hand, am disappointed with yours. No references to Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders???
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And what if they take a qb and that qb busts?
What if they don't take a QB and Eli continues his massive decline and Webb is terrible?
Then it is going to be a long rebuild but you can't force qb if you don't believe that qb will be a great player..
Right..and none of us are qualified to give a truly informed opinion on these QBs. Yet teams are desperately trying to move up to grab them...
But in your mind none of them are future franchise QBs. This is the most divided I have ever seen this board. Those of us that want to move on from Eli think this is a great crop of QB talent (NFL teams clearly also agree), and those that want to cling to Eli think they are all going to be busts.
First off I never said I was right or wrong...
2nd I dnt want to cling to eli...
3rd the people who want qb no matter what are completely dismissing webb..
4th if the giants go qb and that player is garbage and barely or Chubb or Nelson become all pro players you going to kill gettleman?
5 all I am saying is I don't want andy Dalton with the 2nd pick
Personally, I'd be incredibly disappointed. I understand these guys are much smarter than I am, but my days of arbitrarily stating "In X I trust" are over. I want Rosen or Darnold and I'd be satisfied with Allen or Barkley. If it's not one of those 4, I'm leaving this draft extremely disappointed/upset.
I know. The irony is that Chubb could easily be available at #5 anyway. I understand why they want Chubb. This could well be the last year for JPP, and he and Vernon played way too many snaps last year.
I fully expect Jints Central to f-ck this up. Mara is serving the Trust in Eli Kool Aid and DG and Shurmur are falling right in line...
I don't really see him as a 3-4 OLB, and while Watt has shown what you can do at DE in a 3-4, I'm not sure Chubb at 2 would be the best use of resources if he ends up at DE in a 3-4.
I fully expect Jints Central to f-ck this up. Mara is serving the Trust in Eli Kool Aid and DG and Shurmur are falling right in line...
Completely agree. If they really do believe none of these top 4 QBs that other NFL teams are desparately trying to move up to get in the top 5 are not going to be able to lead this team for the next 10 years then get the hell out of there. Take the trade with Buffalo and get a shit ton of picks in return.
5 scenarios that are taking place:
Scenario 1. Cleveland trades with NYG
The Giants being tight lipped makes their intentions unknown and making Cleveland think more about their approach with both picks 1 & 4. We have to assume that Cleveland is going to select a QB and you would have to think that they like one more than the other 3. You would also have to think that Cleveland would love to land Barkley. The question is: do they select the QB first and hope Barkley is there? Do they take Barkley @ pick 1 and select the best available QB? Or they may offer to trade with NYG for pick 2 and NYG moves back to 4 and getting a bunch of 2nd round picks and maybe another 4th this year or a 1 or 2 next year. The Browns could get the QB and Barkley.
Scenario 2: Cleveland takes Barkley @ 1 and we get the QB of our choice.
Scenario 3: Cleveland takes a QB @ 1 and we take Barkley or a QB.
Scenario 4: We trade with Denver to pick 5 and we get Nelson, Chubb or there. In return 2018 2nd and 4th round with a 2019 1st round pick.
Scenario 5: Cleveland trades pick 4 to Buffalo for 4 picks this year and a 2019 1st round pick.
I can see 4 QB going 1,2,3,4 if Denver trades up to pick 2 and Buffalo trades to pick 4. Could be a crazy day on April 26th. Barkley could be had at pick 5 in this case.
Nothing is impossible.
So you want to pick a QB over a franchise RB?
"The Giants will regret not drafting a QB"?
I do not think so. Not one of the top 4 QBs are a given:
1) Rosen is more of an injury risk than Barkley.
2) Darnold is turnover prone; haven't we seen enough of that with Eli?
3) Allen has a howitzer for an arm. But even Big Ben was not a #2 pick. Allen's upside is incredible and he can throw the ball through the wind at Met Life. But drafting Allen is basically saying that you are throwing away the next two years. And Allen better not be a mistake!
4) Mayfield is just not the type of player that John Mara likes to bring in. There are too many personality issues with Mayfield. I love his passion and leadership. But he does not fit the organizational prototype. And is the biggest question mark of the top 4.
So, BARKLEY is by far the answer. There are no questions with him. He is a GENERATIONAL TALENT, PERIOD!!!!!
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And what if they take a qb and that qb busts?
What if they don't take a QB and Eli continues his massive decline and Webb is terrible?
What if a crow had a banjo on his ass there would be music in the air. What if the QB they potentially drafts sucks. No one knows what will happen. OBJ had how many teams pass on him. It happens, you have no idea it is a crap shoot. Eli, was an elite and everyone knew it. None of these QB's are, they might be eventually but as of now they are all crap shoots. So you can declare whatever about Eli or Webb but how do you know Eli's decline is not because of the lack of running game and our pitiful OL?
I would not be a fan of them taking Chub at two, but there is no guarantee that trading down allows the Giants the chance to get “Blue Chip/HOF” which includes Nelson, Barkley, Fitzpatrick and yes Chub.
So assume Denver doesn’t want to pay the Giants a Kong’s randsone, whose trading with NYG? Indy won’t at 6. Cleveland won’t at 4. Jets have little left at 3.
For those of you who are already pissed off or plan to be pissed off, May I suggest evaluating your life. If a sport makes you that upset you have major issues. FYI not one player on the team cares about you.
What a terrible post. Hits every item on the "shouldnt post on a football website" checklist.
1. Start off post by calling people who think the Giants should pick a QB (only the most important position in all of sports) "clowns".
2. Make a false equivalency to another draft that has absolutely no bearing on the 2018 draft or the players available to the Giants.
3. Cite to unnamed sources, scouts and NFL people who allegedly support your false equivalency.
4. "Kong's randsone" followed up by improper use of "whose".
5. Bald assertion that based upon your unnamed sources, no one is willing to trade with the Giants (despite the reality that the Jets just gave up a shitload to move up 3 picks)
6. The triple lundy finale of telling everyone to evaluate their life, sports arent important and that no players care about fans.
Epic failure of a post. Warrants this:
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That doesn't mean it won't happen, but the Giants have been horrible for decades now in keeping their intentions secret, and that includes with Gettleman here under Accorsi and Reese.
Every year there a bunch of people who claim "smoke screen" and every year we find out there was no smoke screen.
It will be interesting to see what happens and see if the Giants have turned a corner in keeping their intentions quiet. But based on past events, it may very well be that the Giants don't even have the QBs on their board at #2.
Then they'd better deal the pick.
One of the few trade-down scenarios that I like if Denver is willing to give up the ranch (in your purported deal).
A 3rd of BBI will be Happy
And a 3rd of BBI will spell the new draftees name incorrectly
5 scenarios that are taking place:
Scenario 1. Cleveland trades with NYG
The Giants being tight lipped makes their intentions unknown and making Cleveland think more about their approach with both picks 1 & 4. We have to assume that Cleveland is going to select a QB and you would have to think that they like one more than the other 3. You would also have to think that Cleveland would love to land Barkley. The question is: do they select the QB first and hope Barkley is there? Do they take Barkley @ pick 1 and select the best available QB? Or they may offer to trade with NYG for pick 2 and NYG moves back to 4 and getting a bunch of 2nd round picks and maybe another 4th this year or a 1 or 2 next year. The Browns could get the QB and Barkley.
Scenario 2: Cleveland takes Barkley @ 1 and we get the QB of our choice.
Scenario 3: Cleveland takes a QB @ 1 and we take Barkley or a QB.
Scenario 4: We trade with Denver to pick 5 and we get Nelson, Chubb or there. In return 2018 2nd and 4th round with a 2019 1st round pick.
Scenario 5: Cleveland trades pick 4 to Buffalo for 4 picks this year and a 2019 1st round pick.
I can see 4 QB going 1,2,3,4 if Denver trades up to pick 2 and Buffalo trades to pick 4. Could be a crazy day on April 26th. Barkley could be had at pick 5 in this case.
Nothing is impossible.
We're fortunate, it's hard to predict what we'll do because we have so many holes everywhere!
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And what if they take a qb and that qb busts?
What if they don't take a QB and Eli continues his massive decline and Webb is terrible?
What if a crow had a banjo on his ass there would be music in the air. What if the QB they potentially drafts sucks. No one knows what will happen. OBJ had how many teams pass on him. It happens, you have no idea it is a crap shoot. Eli, was an elite and everyone knew it. None of these QB's are, they might be eventually but as of now they are all crap shoots. So you can declare whatever about Eli or Webb but how do you know Eli's decline is not because of the lack of running game and our pitiful OL?
I will say it a thousand times. Eli is 37 years old! Not only that, he was certainly not the consensus number one pick in 2004. He was the favorite, but many teams viewed Roethlisberger and Rivers as better prospects. Much like this year, where Darnold is the favorite, but no one really knows if he is the best.
If anything could come from the catastrophic season we just had to witness, it is the chance to take the next QB who can lead this team for the future. So if they don't believe in any of these QBs, then they should trade back and accumulate as many picks as possible. Because when they do need a QB in the near future, they are going to have to sacrifice a ton of assets to move up to get one.
And then having to watch the Jets new QB lead them to multiple playoffs and SB Championships, while the Giants struggle for years in QB hell...
That is the nightmare that could unfold.
But but we can trade down and draft a franchise OG while we watch everyone else snatch up QBs
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Mark it down
And what if they take a qb and that qb busts?
What if they don't take a QB and Eli continues his massive decline and Webb is terrible?
What if a crow had a banjo on his ass there would be music in the air. What if the QB they potentially drafts sucks. No one knows what will happen. OBJ had how many teams pass on him. It happens, you have no idea it is a crap shoot. Eli, was an elite and everyone knew it. None of these QB's are, they might be eventually but as of now they are all crap shoots. So you can declare whatever about Eli or Webb but how do you know Eli's decline is not because of the lack of running game and our pitiful OL?
I will say it a thousand times. Eli is 37 years old! Not only that, he was certainly not the consensus number one pick in 2004. He was the favorite, but many teams viewed Roethlisberger and Rivers as better prospects. Much like this year, where Darnold is the favorite, but no one really knows if he is the best.
If anything could come from the catastrophic season we just had to witness, it is the chance to take the next QB who can lead this team for the future. So if they don't believe in any of these QBs, then they should trade back and accumulate as many picks as possible. Because when they do need a QB in the near future, they are going to have to sacrifice a ton of assets to move up to get one.
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What if they don't take a QB and Eli continues his massive decline and Webb is terrible?
My fear as well. In reality we would most likely have to wait until 2020 to get our next QB as next year's class isn't looking very good right now. Someone could come out of nowhere but the options aren't looking as good as this year's.
Nick Fitzgerald from Miss St looks really good as a prospect. There are some good ones out there.
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Fitzgerald is not a NFL Qb... he isn't in the same league as 2018 Qbs
If we move back, all bets are off as to who would be available at that point. But if we are moving back in this draft which would mean passing on a QB or Barkley, we better get something equivalent to the RGIII trade.
I think it's that simple.
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