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superspynyg : 3/19/2018 4:28 pm
6pm on NFL network. I like this show. Usually Daniel Jeramiah, Bucky Brooks and others do mock war rooms, interviews with prospects and mock drafts.

They alway feature talk on the qbs and top picks. Giants should be on early although they do not go in draft order. Having the most unique position in the draft Hiant talk should be often and plenty.
I enjoy Jeremiah and Brooks  
Vincenzo : 3/19/2018 5:31 pm : link
On their most recent Move the Sticks podcast, they discussed the #2 pick and what the Giants might do.

They discussed trading back and the idea of taking a guard at 2. Jeremiah made a good point about Nelson. Why take Nelson at 2 when they could trade back to 6 and be guaranteed one of Nelson, Barkley, or Chubb plus all the additional picks from the trade.

Specifically mentioned a haul of Chubb, Billy Price, and Austin Corbett versus simply talking Nelson at 2.
Actually I think he was referencing what they couldve done if they  
Vincenzo : 3/19/2018 5:34 pm : link
made that trade with the Jets to go back to 6. Same logic still applies if we can move back and still get an elite prospect.
Great show  
Torrag : 3/19/2018 5:44 pm : link
Jeremiah and Brooks are the go to guys on this show.
Started out discussing the Colts/Jets trade.  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2018 6:17 pm : link
Stating that the Colts were calling around looking for trade partners and insinuated that the Bills were being considered. With the realization that there were multiple suitors for the #3 spot and not wanting to be beat out by the Bills, it explains why the trade was consummated so early. They had the Jets taking Rosen or Mayfield.

They followed up with whom the Colts might target with the #6 pick - Nelson and Chubb were mentioned.

Segue to a more in-depth look at Chubb. The Giants were listed as a wild-card as a landing spot for Chubb.

Barkley is up next.
Still waiting on Barkley segment  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2018 6:25 pm : link
But they just covered in-depth the Browns with the #1 and #4 picks. As expected, they have the Browns going QB at #1 with Sam Darnold. And at #4, they have Barkley if available. They did mention Chubb being a bookend to Miles Garrett.
Bah -  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2018 6:43 pm : link
The Barkley segment was the usual fluff. With the presumption that the Browns go Darnold at #1, the argument for the Giants to take Barkley was made. Shaun O'Hara was on to give insight into the Giants thinking. He believes that Eli has years left and suspects the Giants think so also. He believes the Giants will take the "Q". The other side of the argument was how they could pass up a QB and the seamless transition. The others still think the Best Player has to be the pick meaning Barkley. When Shaun was pressed on who the Giants pick, he opts for the "Big Q" in Quenton.
Best pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2018 6:49 pm : link
should be a blend of best player available among the positions of the highest value, and an honest evaluation of the talent that's available to you. If you have conviction that Barkley is an all-pro and Chubb is exceptional but less so than Barkley, what's worth more to you?
RE: Best pick  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2018 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13874841 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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should be a blend of best player available among the positions of the highest value, and an honest evaluation of the talent that's available to you. If you have conviction that Barkley is an all-pro and Chubb is exceptional but less so than Barkley, what's worth more to you?


By highest value, I presume you are referring to the valuation of the position by salary? In which case, between Barkley and Chubb, the clear choice should be Chubb as DE carries a higher value. But to expand the argument, if Quenton is included in the choice, then considering the valuation of all-pro linemen, he would be a close 1b to Chubb's 1a.

Taking advantage of the rookie salary and team building, you have to consider what the players are projected to make in the long-term. The best value of the 3 (RB/OL/DE) would be OL as he would be an immediate every down player. DE would be sharing time while JPP and OV are under contract. And even though Barkley would be a 3-down back, he still would be rotated/sharing time with the other backs.
I doubt Chubb is in the mix at #2  
Torrag : 3/19/2018 7:08 pm : link
He's a base end and not the 'fit' you want for the multiple front scheme we want to run imo. It will be a QB, Barkley or Nelson if we stay within the top 4 spots.
RE: I doubt Chubb is in the mix at #2  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13874864 Torrag said:
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He's a base end and not the 'fit' you want for the multiple front scheme we want to run imo. It will be a QB, Barkley or Nelson if we stay within the top 4 spots.


Chubb was thrown into the mix more as a wild-card based on the Giants history of defense, DG's emphasis on the line, and Shurmur's early foundation of defense. I don't think he was being legitimately considered - more so as a wild-card and to generate a story line on the show.

Even though there was an argument for the seamless transition at QB, the consensus of candidates being considered was Barkley or Nelson. Regarding QB, none were talked about in depth as a possible candidate. It was viewed as more as an opportunity in a QB rich draft and being at the top. But they didn't think that QB was a need and were of the belief that Eli has years left.
RE: RE: Best pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13874855 Diver_Down said:
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should be a blend of best player available among the positions of the highest value, and an honest evaluation of the talent that's available to you. If you have conviction that Barkley is an all-pro and Chubb is exceptional but less so than Barkley, what's worth more to you?



By highest value, I presume you are referring to the valuation of the position by salary? In which case, between Barkley and Chubb, the clear choice should be Chubb as DE carries a higher value. But to expand the argument, if Quenton is included in the choice, then considering the valuation of all-pro linemen, he would be a close 1b to Chubb's 1a.

Taking advantage of the rookie salary and team building, you have to consider what the players are projected to make in the long-term. The best value of the 3 (RB/OL/DE) would be OL as he would be an immediate every down player. DE would be sharing time while JPP and OV are under contract. And even though Barkley would be a 3-down back, he still would be rotated/sharing time with the other backs.


Not in a salary sense. I meant skillset rarity, a very good pass rusher or a very good RB? There's plenty evidence that you can find a quality RB without going #2 overall. Given a choice I take the pass rusher over the RB and do my homework in rounds 2/3.
Jeremiah  
Mr. Nickels : 3/19/2018 7:26 pm : link
keeps mocking Nelson to Giants
RE: RE: RE: Best pick  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13874877 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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should be a blend of best player available among the positions of the highest value, and an honest evaluation of the talent that's available to you. If you have conviction that Barkley is an all-pro and Chubb is exceptional but less so than Barkley, what's worth more to you?



By highest value, I presume you are referring to the valuation of the position by salary? In which case, between Barkley and Chubb, the clear choice should be Chubb as DE carries a higher value. But to expand the argument, if Quenton is included in the choice, then considering the valuation of all-pro linemen, he would be a close 1b to Chubb's 1a.

Taking advantage of the rookie salary and team building, you have to consider what the players are projected to make in the long-term. The best value of the 3 (RB/OL/DE) would be OL as he would be an immediate every down player. DE would be sharing time while JPP and OV are under contract. And even though Barkley would be a 3-down back, he still would be rotated/sharing time with the other backs.



Not in a salary sense. I meant skillset rarity, a very good pass rusher or a very good RB? There's plenty evidence that you can find a quality RB without going #2 overall. Given a choice I take the pass rusher over the RB and do my homework in rounds 2/3.


I agree with you. I think the hardest projection to make is what Barkley's ceiling. Is he going to be a very good RB which if you do your homework in rounds 2/3, you can find a similar player. Or is he going to be the generational player? My last year playing fantasy football was when I had the chance to draft Tomlinson. I didn't because of the stupid notion that he referred to himself as L.T. Well, I was ass-raped week in and week out as I watched him rack up silly yardage and TDs. Regardless of how long Barkley's career is, if I could sign up for 4 years of cost-controlled L.T. production, I run to the podium. But again, just a very good RB? Pass.
RE: Jeremiah  
Ed A. : 3/20/2018 12:33 am : link
In comment 13874887 Mr. Nickels said:
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keeps mocking Nelson to Giants


He can mock Nelson all he wants. It would be a big mistake to take a guard with the 2nd pick in the draft. Jeremiah has never been a fan of the Giants.
Most of the NYG talk  
JonC : 3/20/2018 8:04 am : link
was about the reasoning to pick Chubb, which is valid imv.

My picks at #2 at the moment are Darnold/Chubb/Nelson in that order, or if they miss on Darnold and then trade down to secure one of the linemen and some extra picks.
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