The more I think about it, the more I think we have to be going QB. Or at least I really hope so. Because if we stayed put at 2 to take an RB or Guard and passed up the opportunity to slide down just 4 spots while also picking up multiple #2s (and, btw, potentially still getting the Guard), that just seems crazy to me. I really like both Barkley and Nelson, but that trade would have afforded them the opportunity to do a lot of work at RB and interior OL + more. The only thing that makes sense in my mind is that they like 2 Qbs better than the others and don't want to move out of range. Either that, or they think they can get more from another team on or closer to draft day. While I like both players (full disclosure - my preference is Rosen or Darnold) passing up the package the Colts took in order to take Nelson or Barkley seems like an awful choice to me.
If we trade backward Cleveland, it will take at least picks 4,33,35 and their 4th rounder, possibly their 2019 1st as well.
At least that is where talks start.
Agreed, except no reason for Cleveland to take Barkley at #1. They take their choice of QB at #1, and then the Giants and Jets follow suit. Cleveland takes Barkley or their choice of the defensive guys at 4.
Safe play for the Browns is Darnold which is what I believe they will do.
This has nothing to do with who is a lock or who isn't. This has to do with the decision not to trade out of the spot in order to take a specific guy. It doesn't make sense to me to do that for an RB or interior OL in a draft where it looks like there will be VERY GOOD guys at both spots early in the 2nd when they could have stockpiled picks. It only makes sense to me if they have a conviction that there is a clear separation between the top QBs and everyone else because there will very clearly be a run at that spot early.
How so -- if you skip down 4 spots - how can you be sure you are going to get the player you want?
The Browns control this draft. They need to draft a franchise QB. They will not sit back and wait for a QB to fall to them at #4. That would be moronic based on the past 25 years, particularly the last two where they passed on Wentz and Watson and went 1-31.
If they feel the top non-QB will be in the conversation as a HoFer and heads above their second-rated non-QB, they need to call the Giants and ensure their picks.
There is no LT in this draft and odds are QBs will go 1-2-3. If the Giants trade out, QBs will certainly go 1-2-3. Browns get their man at #1 and #4.
In short, no way Browns go non-QB at #1.
a deal they can't refuse . Who knows if they even contacted the Giants o you think the Jets want Mayfield ?
If The Org viewed any one non-QB that dogmatically, they deserve years of irrelevance.
Barkley > Nelson + three #2's ?
Preposterous resource management. And there'd be a chance they could Barkley at 5 anyway.
Never ever fall in love with one player unless it's a transofrmative QB talent.
How so -- if you skip down 4 spots - how can you be sure you are going to get the player you want?
Yes. Fools.
If they trade with the Jets, the top 5 looks like Browns (QB), Jets (QB), Colts (Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Fitzpatrick) or trade out (QB), Browns (Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, or Fitzparick), Broncos (QB). In all likelihood, that means at least 3 QBs are going in the top 5, maybe even four. That means it would be EXTREMELY surprising if NYG couldn't still get one of Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb (or Fitzpatrick) at 6, or maybe/likely even a choice of a few of them.
I don't believe that any of Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson are so much better than the combination of the 6th pick plus 2 additional picks in the 2nd round (where guys like Price/ Hernandez and a host of RBs could be had to supplement whoever they took at 6) that they justify staying put to take the best player.
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If they want to be in prime position to get the player they feel is the best player?
How so -- if you skip down 4 spots - how can you be sure you are going to get the player you want?
Yes. Fools.
If they trade with the Jets, the top 5 looks like Browns (QB), Jets (QB), Colts (Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Fitzpatrick) or trade out (QB), Browns (Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, or Fitzparick), Broncos (QB). In all likelihood, that means at least 3 QBs are going in the top 5, maybe even four. That means it would be EXTREMELY surprising if NYG couldn't still get one of Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb (or Fitzpatrick) at 6, or maybe/likely even a choice of a few of them.
I don't believe that any of Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson are so much better than the combination of the 6th pick plus 2 additional picks in the 2nd round (where guys like Price/ Hernandez and a host of RBs could be had to supplement whoever they took at 6) that they justify staying put to take the best player.
Barkley is not individually better than four (4) top-50 players, including one in the top-5. Unless it's a QB, nobody could be.
Giants would be foolish to turn down such an offer, if it ever materializes.
Only thing more valuable than that war chest of picks would be a building block QB.
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Also the new regime believes what I have screamed for years about - that the horses haven’t been around Eli to get the job done. No matter what half the giant fan contingent are screaming Eli is a problem and done and that’s just how it’s always been for the guy. I think they saw the way Eli slung the ball in Green Bay in the playoffs and vs philly with street receivers this year and they know he can still make the throws. You just can’t dismiss the bottom of the league rushing stats year after year.... I think they still believe in Eli (so do I) and that by the time he’s done, Webb is capable.
100% agreed!!! Your starting spot was wrong so everything else that followed was wrong. You have NO idea of there was a offer on the table for the Giants to refuse to begin with.
How so -- if you skip down 4 spots - how can you be sure you are going to get the player you want?
That is the mentality of this board. Everyone thinks they know who will be there after the Giants pick.
Wait to draft this player at 6.
You can get a good RB later.
You can get a good Guard later.
Its incredibly stupid to assume you know what will be available when.
Bingo. The fact that they are the Jets and share the same stadium and market most likely would put a trade premium above any other team.
Darnold rated 7.10 and Rosen only 6.19? Right. Lamar Jackson rated 6.09 and Josh Allen 5.95? Again, right..
If the Giants don't go QB, they are giving the Jets the second best QB in the draft, and possibly the best qb, if Cleveland's curse at picking qb's continue.....and the Giants and Jets will reverse fortunes, like when Jet fans had to watch Eli for years while while the Jets had the likes of Pennington, Bollinger, Testaverde, Clemens, Farvre, Sanchez, Geno Smith, Fitzpatrick, McCown.......
I think the Jets move does force DG to pick a QB.....and god forbid if Cleveland AND the New York Football Giants are wrong, and the best QB falls into the lap of the Jets....highly unlikely, but possible....
And poor Cleveland, they just might end up with the best two players in the draft....sometimes trading down does reap future rewards....
If the Giants like a QB, they'll pick him. If they don't, they won't. They aren't basing their pick on the Jets draft board.
If they didn't check with the Browns and Giants as to whether they would take the deal to allow the Jets to move to #1 or #2 and were simply content to take the Giants and Browns leftovers, their GM should be fired on the spot.