A 3 down RB with 4.40 speed, 6’ 230 lbs, 59? catches, already an excellent pass blocker (lack of pass blocking skills keeps most rookie RBs on the bench) and a smart, high character “future face of the franchise” type guy.
His overall physical attributes, skills and clean off field greatly exceeds other RBs drafted in the last 10+ years. Do any of these QBs greatly exceed other QBs drafted in the last 10 years?
What was the Giants offense like in 2005 - 2006 when Tiki Barber was at his peak? Barkley is better than Tiki in all aspects of his game.
Draft the best player; that’s Barkley.
Yes, that’s worth 6th overall and multiple 2 rounders.
by any means necessary. I dont know how anyone could be impressed by any of these QBs. Have any of them even been that great in recent memory? I would say Wentz but the Eagles didn't even need him for a SB run if Nick Foles did it.
how about trading with the Bills, then packaging up some of the 2nd and 3rd round picks gained to trade back up with the Colts. It's a bit far fetched but not outside the realms of possibility. Of course the Bills could do the intermediate trade with the Colts as well.
On the trade value chart, the No. 2 pick is worth 2,600 points. But considering the Jets just gave up 2,956 for the No. 3 pick, then the Bills would need to come up with at least 3000 'points' of value.
At the moment, the Bills have picks 12 (1,200 points), 22 (780 points), 53 (370 points) and 56 (340 points) in the first two rounds. That's a total of 2,690 points. Traditionally, that would be enough to move up to the No. 2 pick, but the Jets set a different value. They will need to find at least 300 more points worth of draft picks.
To do so, they could throw in a future second-round pick, or repackage the deal throwing in a future 1st rounder. But lets say that the deal is roughly
12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)
That's a total of 3,135 points on the value chart. Now what stock you put in the value chart is questionable, but it's a decent return comparable with other trades. Whether the Bills would buy it I don't know, but it's roughly what I'd go for (although I'd probably start the bidding with their 2019 1st)
The 6th pick is valued at 1600 points. To move there in theory the giants would require the 12th (1,200) and 56 (340) + 65 (265) = 1805 points which represents good value for a Colts team who are in the market for picks.
That would leave us with picks
6 (with a strong likelihood that one of Chubb, Nelson or Barkley are still on the board)
22
34
53
+2019 2nd rounder.
If I'm not in the market for a QB (and I think I probably would be), then that's roughly what I'd take. Then there's a decent chance you could get say Nelson + Price (which immediately makes the oline a strength), and you could get one of good crop of CB's early and a RB. There are also pretty decent ILB or OLB in that 2nd round range. It'd be transformative.
It's a good draft class in the first 2/3 rounds. If we're not going QB then there's a good argument for maximizing the number of picks 60.
it was the year after Barber' peak when we actually won.
That might be because we had Bradshaw and Jacobs to create a powerful, fast, and nimble running game but at the same time was durable because the weight of the running attack was spread out on two bodies not one. And I have no problem with dolling out 2nd pick money to a player who is drastically going to improve our offensive production and make everyone on that side of the line better. I do think we should be judicious and not risk his talents for a year or three and should spell him with another back to share the load. When a back gets tired that's when he gets hurt.
by any means necessary. I dont know how anyone could be impressed by any of these QBs. Have any of them even been that great in recent memory? I would say Wentz but the Eagles didn't even need him for a SB run if Nick Foles did it.
The fact that you needed to use "BUT" in a statement regarding Wentz and close your eyes and pretend Goff didn't have a very good year shows the extreme manner your willing to justify the guy you want the Giants to pick.
You don't need to do that. The Giants aren't going to be influenced by anyone on this board so you don't need to do what you just did. Give guys like Wentz and Goff more than juts "minimal" credit.
was justified they didnt need wentz to win the superbowl,the vikings got to the championship game with case keenum its a fair point that while QB if important its not the be all and end all,fact is with wentz and without ajayi they probably dont win it,the addition of ajayi was the difference there,zeke made a worse cowboys team with a declining bryant a playoff team and morris made cousins look better in washington barkley can have the same effect in new york
look around the league david johnson in arizona,kamara in new orleans,fournette in jacksonville,cook in minnesotta,freeman in atlanta same QB's in most cases but they went to the playoffs after they upgraded at running back look at the difference
His overall physical attributes, skills and clean off field greatly exceeds other RBs drafted in the last 10+ years. Do any of these QBs greatly exceed other QBs drafted in the last 10 years?
What was the Giants offense like in 2005 - 2006 when Tiki Barber was at his peak? Barkley is better than Tiki in all aspects of his game.
Draft the best player; that’s Barkley.
Yes, that’s worth 6th overall and multiple 2 rounders.
And we just paid a RB.
And if we slot $ to a #2 pick that’s a RB, our cap situation will continue to deteriorate vis-à-vis to other teams that are spending 80% less on RBs.
Trade back.... guice will be there at 21
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On the trade value chart, the No. 2 pick is worth 2,600 points. But considering the Jets just gave up 2,956 for the No. 3 pick, then the Bills would need to come up with at least 3000 'points' of value.
At the moment, the Bills have picks 12 (1,200 points), 22 (780 points), 53 (370 points) and 56 (340 points) in the first two rounds. That's a total of 2,690 points. Traditionally, that would be enough to move up to the No. 2 pick, but the Jets set a different value. They will need to find at least 300 more points worth of draft picks.
To do so, they could throw in a future second-round pick, or repackage the deal throwing in a future 1st rounder. But lets say that the deal is roughly
12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)
That's a total of 3,135 points on the value chart. Now what stock you put in the value chart is questionable, but it's a decent return comparable with other trades. Whether the Bills would buy it I don't know, but it's roughly what I'd go for (although I'd probably start the bidding with their 2019 1st)
The 6th pick is valued at 1600 points. To move there in theory the giants would require the 12th (1,200) and 56 (340) + 65 (265) = 1805 points which represents good value for a Colts team who are in the market for picks.
That would leave us with picks
6 (with a strong likelihood that one of Chubb, Nelson or Barkley are still on the board)
22
34
53
+2019 2nd rounder.
If I'm not in the market for a QB (and I think I probably would be), then that's roughly what I'd take. Then there's a decent chance you could get say Nelson + Price (which immediately makes the oline a strength), and you could get one of good crop of CB's early and a RB. There are also pretty decent ILB or OLB in that 2nd round range. It'd be transformative.
It's a good draft class in the first 2/3 rounds. If we're not going QB then there's a good argument for maximizing the number of picks 60.
That might be because we had Bradshaw and Jacobs to create a powerful, fast, and nimble running game but at the same time was durable because the weight of the running attack was spread out on two bodies not one. And I have no problem with dolling out 2nd pick money to a player who is drastically going to improve our offensive production and make everyone on that side of the line better. I do think we should be judicious and not risk his talents for a year or three and should spell him with another back to share the load. When a back gets tired that's when he gets hurt.
The fact that you needed to use "BUT" in a statement regarding Wentz and close your eyes and pretend Goff didn't have a very good year shows the extreme manner your willing to justify the guy you want the Giants to pick.
You don't need to do that. The Giants aren't going to be influenced by anyone on this board so you don't need to do what you just did. Give guys like Wentz and Goff more than juts "minimal" credit.
look around the league david johnson in arizona,kamara in new orleans,fournette in jacksonville,cook in minnesotta,freeman in atlanta same QB's in most cases but they went to the playoffs after they upgraded at running back look at the difference