Rumor Of Bills Making Offer For #2

Not even close to enough.

12 is too for that little return.

Only thing 8 would consider is
12, 22 2018 2nd, and 2019 1st

I would tell them to start over...

or forget it. We would be forgoing our QB so have to have ammo next year to possibly move up and select one...

if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul.

a 2019 first.

...and release the hounds.

is nuts. So that offer is not enough.

Add #1 and #2 in 2019.

I still think they stay put and grab Rosen, Darnold or Barkley.

and they can get that #1 next year instead of the #2, then they should pull the trigger. They can really restock the talent level on the team with so many pick.

In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul.

3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits.

The other 2018 second and third and 2019 second and that would be nice

a high pick.

Bills?

...one of its second-rounders this year.

But next year they gotta give us their #1. A second rounder in 2019 just doesn't cut it.

be willing to budge on that 2019 1st rounder

12/22/53/65 and a 2019 1st rounder

is at least getting us to the table IMO....at that point we can haggle over another player or a pick...

If we aren't planning on taking a QB I think we should consider trading down. I love Barkley I get it but this team has just too many holes.

And will put you out of the range of blue chippers in this draft. Next year's #1 needs to be in the deal.

but at the very least I'd want both of their 2nd rounders this year, if I don't get a first for next year. Going by the draft value chart.

12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)

I'd then offer the Colts 12 (1,200), 56(340) and our 3rd round pick 66(260) to move back up to 6(1600). That's more than fair value for the 6th pick and I think the Colts would take it.

in the 12 range were Flowers (9) and Apple (10), Beckham (12).

Of course Gettleman is not Reese, but assume for arguments sake that Gettleman = Reese that's a 33% chance of getting a good player with the higher first.

I'm not willing to move down with those odds.

I would do it.

The Bills are going to stink if they trade up for a QB.

Next year you would be able to get your next QB if needed.

To get that price up, you need to make them sweat it out though a little bit.

In comment 13875273 bigbluescot said:

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but at the very least I'd want both of their 2nd rounders this year, if I don't get a first for next year. Going by the draft value chart. 12 (1,200) 22 (780) 53 (370) 56 (340) 65 (265) +2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180) I'd then offer the Colts 12 (1,200), 56(340) and our 3rd round pick 66(260) to move back up to 6(1600). That's more than fair value for the 6th pick and I think the Colts would take it.

I should say in most scenarios, you'd still have one of Barkley, Chubb and Nelson available at 6, because it's very likely 4 QB's would be off the board.

At 12 and 22 you can go McGlinchy and Hernandez and the OL is rebuilt.

Pick up Michel with our original #2 and then turn the attention to the defense. Corner, edge rusher.

#1, then you likely are getting a pick around 12 again.

It would be tough to turn down the deal if it had next year's #1 and a #3.

We don't get a blue-chip guy possibly, but we pick up 6 picks in the first 65, which would go a long way to solidifying holes on the OL, LB and DB.

In comment 13875261 Sean said:

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In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul. 3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits.

We drafted Odell Beckham with the #12 pick.

The second round pick could potentially net some extra picks.

People assume all of these picks would be hits, and if just won’t be the case.

In comment 13875261 Sean said:

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In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul. 3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits.

You could always trade back up a little bit from 12.

In comment 13875279 Chris684 said:

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At 12 and 22 you can go McGlinchy and Hernandez and the OL is rebuilt. Pick up Michel with our original #2 and then turn the attention to the defense. Corner, edge rusher.

or FSU Safety Derwin James.

In comment 13875282 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 13875261 Sean said: Quote: In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul. 3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits. We drafted Odell Beckham with the #12 pick.

Also Ereck Flowers at 9, Eli Apple at 10 & we just let Pugh walk.

could be out of the top 10.....

In comment 13875285 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13875261 Sean said: Quote: In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul. 3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits. You could always trade back up a little bit from 12.

The point is to get the best players, not win the draft.

all the picks to be hits. But 6 picks in the first 65 players is pretty good odds you'll come away with at least 4 decent starters and possibly a superstar at 12.

Gettleman has been pretty good in hitting in his early draft picks.

So I wouldn’t count on seeing any breaking news in the near future.

If we are just talking about what it would take for Buffalo to move up the answer should be a lot more.

In comment 13875283 Sean said:

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The second round pick could potentially net some extra picks. People assume all of these picks would be hits, and if just won’t be the case.

You can argue the draft is essentially a numbers game. It's not unusual for 3 out of the top 10 to bust, and usually one of the top 5 do as well.

While it's a long shot, if you could say do a trade with the Bills and move back up to 6th, you could easily end up with

6 (with a strong likelihood that one of Chubb, Nelson or Barkley are still on the board)
22
34
53

+ a 2019 2nd rounder.

Unless you're taking a QB, that's awfully tempting.

If Giants pass on QB, they need to have the fire power to go up and get their guy next year.

In comment 13875281 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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#1, then you likely are getting a pick around 12 again. It would be tough to turn down the deal if it had next year's #1 and a #3. We don't get a blue-chip guy possibly, but we pick up 6 picks in the first 65, which would go a long way to solidifying holes on the OL, LB and DB.

thats what I"m saying. Just this year the draft value chart (which I know isn't gospel) but the value just from the Bills 2 1's, 1 2nd, and early 3rd...we would be getting 2,615 in value for our 2,200 pick. Consider you need to be blown away because of the QB factor.

Assuming the bills are a bottom half team (15 or worse) which is most likely with AJ Mccarron or a Rookie QB...we would be getting north of 3,600 pts in value for our 2nd overall pick...I think that would at least get us to the table...

whether or not we could haggle even more depends on how desperate they are.

In comment 13875287 Sean said:

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In comment 13875282 Brown Recluse said: Quote: In comment 13875261 Sean said: Quote: In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul. 3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits. We drafted Odell Beckham with the #12 pick. Also Ereck Flowers at 9, Eli Apple at 10 & we just let Pugh walk.

Well, yes. You can find players at any pick that worked out and players that didn't. The point is that you can absolutely get a great player at pick 12. Fletcher Cox was also the 12th pick.

I do like having the 1st and 2nd pick of 3rd day.

take out the emotion. We have a 37 year old QB & the 2nd pick in a QB rich draft. I don’t want sentimentality to ruin this rare chance at a franchise QB.

then you get:

3 #1s
1 #2
1 #3

for ONE pick. That is a good hall. And, the #1s are a #12 (near top third) and #22, which isn't way down.

What if they like Mayfield and he falls past Denver. They could possibly trade up with say Tampa and pick him up and still have extra picks.

I wouldn't trade below #5, gimme a blue chip impact player now.

the Browns. Then they don't need to pick between SD or Barkley. Currently, they still need to protect against the Giants on those 2 (as the BBI discussions indicate the top 2 players)

Draft then goes.

Browns 1. SD
Bills 2. Rosen
Jets 3. Mayfield (Broadway Joe part Deux)
Browns 4. Barkley
Denver 5. Allen

In comment 13875261 Sean said:

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In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul. 3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits.

Some of you guys crack me up. Have you seen the Cap numbers? How can we fill A LOT of positions with quality players and still manage the CAP? LOTS of draft picks in the first three rounds, that is how! Jesus, you guys act like if we don't go QB we have to do this, like one player will be the difference. If we take a QB at #2, we get zero return this year. That means there was NO reason to keep ELI. Once they decided to keep ELI and with our fucking dreadfully thin roster, we have no choice but look at this draft as a restocking of the shelves. Keep in mind next year JPP, OV and even JJ might all be gone too. Replacements will be coming from where???

Oh a counter-offer. That's what we lawyers - I'm a lawyer - we lawyers call that a counter-offer. Lemme see...This is a tough decision you're givin' me here. Get my ass kicked or collect two hundred dollars. Hmmp. Let me think... I could use a good ass kickin', I'll be very honest with you... nah, I think I'll just go with the two hundred.

They may do it. However, who do we draft at number 12?

If the Giants want to trade back, they will wait until they are on the clock to make a move; that is unless another team really blows them away with an offer prior to the draft. With the QB hungry Jets at #3, I can see a few teams wanting the #2 spot; the offers will only increase if the Browns grab a QB at #1.

in Round 1,2,3 this draft & their #1 in 2019

In comment 13875325 TheMick7 said:

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in Round 1,2,3 this draft & their #1 in 2019

This has been my thought as well. The Giants might need to give something like a 2 or a 3 next year to balance the numbers out..

But if there is no #1 next year.. there should be no deal.

but not with the Browns moving to #2. Maybe the Browns trading with Buffalo and then Buffalo giving sweeteners to the Giants for the #2. And then having the Qb's go 1-3.

In comment 13875302 Sean said:

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take out the emotion. We have a 37 year old QB & the 2nd pick in a QB rich draft. I don’t want sentimentality to ruin this rare chance at a franchise QB.

Spoiler alert: it will.

DG I think passes on Rosen/Darnold and Eli continues to struggle moving forward.

To me, that’s the worst case scenario.

It's likely to be another 35 years before it happens again.

Statistically, there are likely 2-3 HOF players in this draft. If the Giants have a strong feeling on who those HOF players are, then IMO they should get the impact player.

I'd much rather have one Collins than 3 of Reese's mediocre picks. Give me the impact player. That's how you build a franchise.