Updated NFL Rumor:
For the #2 NY Giants pick, Buffalo Bills propose the following:
2018 1st Round (#12 overall)
2018 1st Round (#22)
2018 2nd Round (#53)
2018 3rd Round (#65)
2019 2nd Round
The Giants are purportedly likely to counter but talks seem to be on. For me nothing less than a 2019 First Round instead of a Second Round.
Statistically, there are likely 2-3 HOF players in this draft. If the Giants have a strong feeling on who those HOF players are, then IMO they should get the impact player.
I'd much rather have one Collins than 3 of Reese's mediocre picks. Give me the impact player. That's how you build a franchise.
Sticky this!
If the Giants don't see any of the QBs making the grade, they should be actively shopping the pick, unless they agree with others that Barkley is a "generational" player.
Me too.
12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)
I'd be happy with this. I'd stay with these picks and draft Guice at 12 and Wynn at 22.
^This. Make the 2019 second a first, and we can have a serious conversation. But that offer is a good starting point. I would still prefer not to drop that far.
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but at the very least I'd want both of their 2nd rounders this year, if I don't get a first for next year. Going by the draft value chart.
12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)
I'd be happy with this. I'd stay with these picks and draft Guice at 12 and Wynn at 22.
12 is way too high for Guice.
12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)
I'd then offer the Colts 12 (1,200), 56(340) and our 3rd round pick 66(260) to move back up to 6(1600). That's more than fair value for the 6th pick and I think the Colts would take it.
I would pull the trigger on this only if we could somehow get the Browns 4 instead of the Colts 6. I still think Barkley is the pick and won't be there especially if the Browns hold onto 4
Agreed. Getting a ton of picks is great but odds are some of them will not pan out. Get 1 of the all pro level talent guys in this draft and then hit on either of our really high 2nd or 3rd round picks. Find a gem in the late rounds and call it a day.
Right. The Giants have probably already decided whether or not they want to draft a QB this year. If the answer is no, then trading back makes a lot of sense. Its a good opportunity to bring in young *core* talent that doens't cost $10m per season, which this team sorely needs.
If they've decided they want a QB, then all of this is moot. They aren't moving, and they shouldn't.
Agreed. I'm OK with a small trade down, but 12 is too far too drop. That having been said, if he haul is enormous, it won't be a remote thrower. But I'd really like us to get one of Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb. Twelve even puts Fitzpatrick out of range.
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In comment 13875273 bigbluescot said:
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but at the very least I'd want both of their 2nd rounders this year, if I don't get a first for next year. Going by the draft value chart.
12 (1,200)
22 (780)
53 (370)
56 (340)
65 (265)
+2019 2nd round (I believe the rule of thumb is to take the value of the mid point of the next round: i.e roughly about pick 82 (180)
I'd be happy with this. I'd stay with these picks and draft Guice at 12 and Wynn at 22.
12 is way too high for Guice.
I don't think there are any guarantees that Guice is there at #12. He's no slouch compared to Barkley(cue Caddyshack Quote).
Gettleman has been pretty good in hitting in his early draft picks.
The BBI entertainment value alone makes this deal with it, although the Giants should absolutely hold out for the 2019 first rounder. Hell, Skins gave up two future firsts to move up what, four slots to #2 for Griffin. Granted, they are stupid, but #12 is a huge drop.
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I want one, quality over quantity.
Agreed. I'm OK with a small trade down, but 12 is too far too drop. That having been said, if he haul is enormous, it won't be a remote thrower. But I'd really like us to get one of Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb. Twelve even puts Fitzpatrick out of range.
If they're determined to acquire a booty for #2, I won't complain. It's a valid strategy if they don't believe in the QBs or the blue chippers is enough to outweigh the booty.
But Jon, do you see Chubb as that player? My fear is that the Giants grab Chubb and he is just an ok guy, especially in a defense that will rely on stand up outside guys and Chubb isn't that guy.
That is very true. I think we would be best served, assuming they are game, dropping to 4 so Cleveland gets QB and Barkley. We then could still get a QB (though I do not want one here) and would absolutely be able to get Nelson. If Buffalo moved to 6 prior and then wants to move to 4 then great.
Assuming
1-2-3-5 goes QB..4 Cleveland goes Barkley or Chubb. 6 Indy gets the other.
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take out the emotion. We have a 37 year old QB & the 2nd pick in a QB rich draft. I don’t want sentimentality to ruin this rare chance at a franchise QB.
Spoiler alert: it will.
DG I think passes on Rosen/Darnold and Eli continues to struggle moving forward.
To me, that’s the worst case scenario.
Indeed. This is the watershed moment - can Jints Central compartmentalize their sentiments for Eli and make a pure business decision?
That is really what’s at stake with the #2 pick...
Keep in mind, in 04 it was looking like Manning was going #1. There was a big contingent and I was one of them that wanted Big Ben at 4.
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In comment 13875254 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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if the pick next year is a first. Think about it. We'd have 6 picks in the first 65, including #12 and #22. Maybe have to have not only next year's #1, but maybe a #3 too, but that's still a decent haul.
3-13 to not even coming away with a blue chip player. Would be a disaster. All of those picks would not be hits.
You could always trade back up a little bit from 12.
That would be my idea.
You can make that trade if you want. And then move up to say #6 with the Colts assuming the specific player (Nelson?) you may want is there.
According to the Value Chart, that would cost 400 points, or the equivalent of the 53rd pick (acquired from Buffalo) and a 5th round picks (#140 of the Giants). That comes out to 406.5 points.
Would everyone be down with that?
I second this
Draft is still over a month away, no need to rush into a trade. The Colts did us a favor by trading out early. Our pick and leverage will only increase as we get closer to April 26th.
Of course, if they are high on one of the QB’s, then you don’t overthink it and stay put.
My thoughts exactly
The Bills have 12, 22, 53 and 56 and in the first two rounds, and also the first pick in the 3rd 65(265). They could package up
12 (1,200), 56 and 65 to the Colts to move to 6, and then offer the Giants 22, 53 and either 2nd or 1st next year to move to 2.
I mean it's convoluted, but it's doable.
If they take that trade and Webb isn't a sensation the minute he walk on the field, Gettleman should be fired before Webb walks on the field the next time.
If they take that trade and Webb isn't a sensation the minute he walk on the field, Gettleman should be fired before Webb walks on the field the next time.
BUffalo has AJ McCarron and nothing else. Other people's desperate need should not dictate what we should do.
This ^^