What should the Giants do for their Outside WR?

think we're just going to bring a whole bunch of WRs to camp, and let them battle for positions behind OBJ and SS. That would be Latimer, Lewis, King, Sharp, Powe, Rudolph, maybe a late draft pick, and UDFAs. We have a lot of other needs. I'm not sure what we can do at WR this year, unless somebody unexpected falls in the draft and is therefore too good a value to pass up.

I still think Marshall and Harris will be cut.

Anyone still available

I think we're okay there, with or without Marshall. I see us playing much more 2 TE sets, with Engram moving out to split end on occasion, I don't see the big need that others do there. At best, that player is the 4th option in the passing game, 5th if we bring in a player like Barkley. At this point, it's much more important to bring in a burner that could take the top off the defense to round out that unit.

But at this point I thought it would've happened already. Is there something to his contract that makes a post-June 1st cut more likely?

In any case, I think if the value for a receiver is there in the 4th round, go for it. Otherwise, don't need to force it. The Giants can use Engram outside a lot as well, because he has WR-like skills. I'm even ok with what we have in competition with Latimer, Lewis, Rudolph, Amba Etta-Tawo. Even before the draft, we're talking about the 4th receiving option after OBJ, Engram, and Shepard, so you don't need to go crazy here, but you do want a guy that will have the respect of the defense on the boundary across OBJ. Both Lewis and Latimer will have the ability to hurt guys if you don't, it's just consistency.

D J Chark is someone that interests me. He's 6'3", ran a 4.34 40 in the combine, has good hands and handles himself well as a person.

Move Shep outside and use Engram as a slot receiver and start Ellison at TE. Especially if we draft Barkley. Imagine the flexibility in that base formation and player package.

It gives us help for the RT with Ellison in some situations. It gives us two TEs on the field for the run. It puts a big fast receiver on a nickel corner. It lets you easily shift into two TEs with OBJ, Shep and Saquan as threats all over the field.

I’m salivating.

Terrelle Pryor (yes I know. just throwing out names)
Markus Wheaton (what happened to him)
Dontrelle Inman

They've all been productive at some point. Maybe some other names will shake loose later.

Otherwise, they could draft one if the value is there.

I'd be really surprised if Marshall was back, but who knows. Its still very early.

The WR corps is definitely somewhat bare right now. And most of them are gone after the season.

At least that's how he was used in Philly, I don't know if that's what we're looking for.

part of the big trade with the Bills, haha

has to go. His cap hit is too much and he is done. He looked old and slow last year and I can't imagine after leg surgery that he suddenly is going to get that old quickness and speed back. Plus, he looked pretty indifferent out on the field last year.

just became available

In comment 13875718 AcesUp said:

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I think we're okay there, with or without Marshall. I see us playing much more 2 TE sets, with Engram moving out to split end on occasion, I don't see the big need that others do there. At best, that player is the 4th option in the passing game, 5th if we bring in a player like Barkley. At this point, it's much more important to bring in a burner that could take the top off the defense to round out that unit.

Lattimer's a 4th year vet with a career high of 19 catches for 287 yards. I wouldn't write him into any lineup.

I'm not, he's depth or sub package guy. With Engram in the fold, I just don't see the need for a true #2 or X receiver. That's why we drafted him, to move him all over the field. We're also paying a capable player in Ellison starter money, so why not get him on the field more than we have in the past? We're more than okay with a base package of OBJ, Sheppard, Engram, Ellison and RB. Given all the other needs, I'm okay addressing the position with Latimer.

A 6'3" 235 lb receiver with legit WR speed (4.42). As big a matchup nightmare for CBs as LBs. And it gets him away from TE blocking responsibilities that he's not good at and will only get him injured.

Another 2017 attitude adjustment that this team needs in order to move on from that horrible season.

Find a mid-tier FA like Mike Wallace or let the young guys battle it out. King, Lewis, etc.

In comment 13875779 AcesUp said:

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I'm not, he's depth or sub package guy. With Engram in the fold, I just don't see the need for a true #2 or X receiver. That's why we drafted him, to move him all over the field. We're also paying a capable player in Ellison starter money, so why not get him on the field more than we have in the past? We're more than okay with a base package of OBJ, Sheppard, Engram, Ellison and RB. Given all the other needs, I'm okay addressing the position with Latimer.

I like Shepard at slot. I like the TEs, obviously Odell is fine, but we already saw that this group minus Odell wasn't good enough last season. They could certainly stand to get more talented and deeper at WR. You have to be able to manage in the face of injuries. I don't want to bet on a few additions at OL and better playcalling making up all the difference.

In comment 13875727 VinegarPeppers said:

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Move Shep outside and use Engram as a slot receiver and start Ellison at TE. Especially if we draft Barkley. Imagine the flexibility in that base formation and player package. It gives us help for the RT with Ellison in some situations. It gives us two TEs on the field for the run. It puts a big fast receiver on a nickel corner. It lets you easily shift into two TEs with OBJ, Shep and Saquan as threats all over the field. I’m salivating.

This is what not to do. You take away what Shepard does best by moving him outside. Shepard is a slot receiver, he would not be as effective on the boundary.

see who shakes loose but I think it will be a camp battle that Lattimer should seize.

The problem is his cap number, but I'm confused seeing people complain about him personally. All he did was come in and work hard. I prefer to keep him on the squad at a much lower salary. Hoping they rework his deal to a 1-2M cap hit. He's a good compliment to OBJ.

In comment 13875741 AcesUp said:

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At least that's how he was used in Philly, I don't know if that's what we're looking for.

Agree on Matthews. He will be a good value for somebody, but not NYG. Not with Engram and Shepard.

THRILL RIDE is a fan of Cam Meredith of the Bears and his udfa tender.

Another low key THRILL fav -- Jeff Janis of the Packers.

In comment 13875722 allstarjim said:

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But at this point I thought it would've happened already. Is there something to his contract that makes a post-June 1st cut more likely?

I just checked OVERTHE CAP site and Marshalls dead money before or after June 1st does not change. It is still $1m dead money. He is schedule with bonus to receive 6.1 and some change this year. The 6th highest paid player in league right behind Odell. Thats sad. However if we cut him before or after we save $5.1m and some change.
NYG Cap for next 3 years with bonus and dead money scenarios. - ( New Window )

Latimer and still have Marshall

In comment 13875884 Mr. Nickels said:

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Latimer and still have Marshall

Neither of which has proven to be a solution thus far. No more bet-hedging. Take off your Reese hat.

I’m thinking they draft someone round 3 or 4. I agree with Aces that there’s no need to spend big on the outside WR given who Eli can throw to now, The fly in the ointment is Beckham’s future contract. They need a good young guy as Insurance in case the unthinkable happens.

cut because of his injury. I think he needs to take a physical first.

i meant on the team not the league, so save the comments i am wrong.... here is the link for the 2018 hit per player...
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In comment 13875875 One Man Thrill Ride said:

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In comment 13875741 AcesUp said: Quote: At least that's how he was used in Philly, I don't know if that's what we're looking for. Agree on Matthews. He will be a good value for somebody, but not NYG. Not with Engram and Shepard. THRILL RIDE is a fan of Cam Meredith of the Bears and his udfa tender. Another low key THRILL fav -- Jeff Janis of the Packers.

Cam Meredith's injury was gruesome. If he's expected to make a full recovery, I'd like that idea. That was nasty, though.

is a great question and a very under-emphasized topic of discussion.

gloves?

Every team that has cut or traded Marshall has had an improved record the following year.

No candy this year boys. Sorry.

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recently, but not having a guy to take the top off the D severely hampers OBJ's ability to do his best work. They really need to consider that when planning for this year. Lewis struggled getting separation. Powe might end up being a red zone option, but we need additional speed and separation ability at the other spot.

In comment 13876062 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:

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Every team that has cut or traded Marshall has had an improved record the following year.

This isn't even true of the last team that released him (NYJ)

he is also very good inside the red zone

The Giants should be fine w what they have barring injury. I’d keep an eye out for a WR later in the draft but wouldn’t force it.

Re: Marshall, I’d be fine moving on but his salary isn’t that bad relative to the market.

If we were to trade back ,WR I might target with an additional 2nd round pick might include:

Plus Minus
James Washington-deep ball skills route running,
speed

Micheal Gallup hands, size, route running speed?

Cain, Deon size ok, route running,speed hands

Chark, DJ height, speed press coverage

Kirk, Christian quick, hands more slot

Miller, Anthony quick, RR, deep ball quick>fast, drops

Moore, DJ Productive,"stefan Diggs"hands +/-, quick>fast

Pettis, Dante hands,route speed, ?strength

Ridley, Calvin speed, routes size, drops

St Brown, Equanimeous tall,subtle speed hands,
unpolished?

Sutton, Courtland size, possession skills speed, RR

admittedly, I have seen none on tape, and have no real opinion. kinda like description of Pettis, and fits our need some- and should be a day 2-3 pick.

and bloodline?

Dad is Gary Pettis.

any one have better fell for this class?

After we trade with Buffalo we can stock pile WRs...

Plus Minus
James Washington-deep ball skills route running,
speed

Micheal Gallup hands, size, Speed?
route running

Cain, Deon size ok, route running Hands erratic
speed

Chark, DJ height, speed Difficulty with
press coverage

Kirk, Christian quick, hands Size, more slot

Miller, Anthony quick, RR, deep ball quick>fast, drops

Moore, DJ Productive,"stefan Diggs" hands +/-
quick>fast

Pettis, Dante hands,route speed,?strength

Ridley, Calvin speed, routes size,drops

St Brown, Eq. tall,subtle speed hands,unpolished?

Sutton,Courtland size, possession skills speed, RR

admittedly, I have seen none on tape, and have no real opinion. kinda like description of Pettis, and fits our need some- and should be a day 2-3 pick.

and bloodline?

Dad is Gary Pettis.

any one have better fell for this class?

James Washington-[+]deep ball skills [-]route running,
speed

Micheal Gallup [+]hands, size, route running [-]speed?

Cain, Deon [+]size ok, route running, [-]speed hands

Chark, DJ [+]height, speed [-]press coverage

Kirk, Christian [+]quick, hands [-]size, more slot

Miller, Anthony [+]quick, RR, deep ball [-]quick>fast,
drops

Moore, DJ Productive,"stefan Diggs" [-]hands +/-,
quick>fast

Pettis, Dante[+] hands,route speed, [-]?strength

Ridley, Calvin [+]speed, routes [-]size, drops

St Brown, Eq. [+]tall,subtle speed [-]hands,
unpolished?

Sutton, Courtland [+]size, possession skills [-]speed, RR

admittedly, I have seen none on tape, and have no real opinion. kinda like description of Pettis, and fits our need some- and should be a day 2-3 pick.

and bloodline?

Dad is Gary Pettis.

any one have better fell for this class?

QB, RB, OL, DL, CB are much more of a priority.

came on strong for Denver late last season despite the QB issues.

In comment 13876740 giantstock said:

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QB, RB, OL, DL, CB are much more of a priority.

DL is not a priority.. If Odell goes down this WR corps is in trouble again..

In comment 13876256 Tom in Kzoo said:

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James Washington-[+]deep ball skills [-]route running, speed Micheal Gallup [+]hands, size, route running [-]speed? Cain, Deon [+]size ok, route running, [-]speed hands Chark, DJ [+]height, speed [-]press coverage Kirk, Christian [+]quick, hands [-]size, more slot Miller, Anthony [+]quick, RR, deep ball [-]quick>fast, drops Moore, DJ Productive,"stefan Diggs" [-]hands +/-, quick>fast Pettis, Dante[+] hands,route speed, [-]?strength Ridley, Calvin [+]speed, routes [-]size, drops St Brown, Eq. [+]tall,subtle speed [-]hands, unpolished? Sutton, Courtland [+]size, possession skills [-]speed, RR admittedly, I have seen none on tape, and have no real opinion. kinda like description of Pettis, and fits our need some- and should be a day 2-3 pick. and bloodline? Dad is Gary Pettis. any one have better fell for this class?

Cedrick Wilson, Boise State.
Tre'Quan Smith, UCF

Wilson has good size (6'2"), big hands, pretty athletic, decent speed (4.55 40).

Tre'Quan Smith also with good size at 6'2", really good deep speed (4.49 40 but I think he plays faster than he times), good vertical and broad at 37.5 and 10'10". I really like him in the 4th round if he's there. He's my preference over Wilson.