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Pep22 : 3/20/2018 11:36 am
One of the failures of the Reese era was its transparency of who they liked and what directions they were going with draft picks.

If I were in a position of leadership of an NFL team, I'd obviously gather info from scouts and all possible sources but my thought process would be shared with very few and any information I'd put "out there" (via anything I stated or indicated by action) would be misinformation. I hope Gettleman adheres to this strategy.

On another note, while I prefer a QB with this rare/premium pick, I am okay with a trade down IF AND ONLY IF they believe in Webb. To trade down under some notion that Eli will rebound to an acceptable rate of production is probably inaccurate and certainly a shortsighted notion.

Despite their talent (Nelson/Barkley), I'd rank a draft of a non QB at 2 a distant 3rd in my order of preference.
So far, they have done a good job at hiding  
BigBlueHens : 3/20/2018 11:42 am : link
what they are doing. That is clear by looking at BBI the past couple days.

I hope the fighting continues about a QB, Barkley or trading down until the Goodell reads our selection. Having no one know what Gettleman is going to do is a huge advantage.

RE: So far, they have done a good job at hiding  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13875814 BigBlueHens said:
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what they are doing. That is clear by looking at BBI the past couple days.

I hope the fighting continues about a QB, Barkley or trading down until the Goodell reads our selection. Having no one know what Gettleman is going to do is a huge advantage.


well said
What does Webb's progression, and Manning's play  
bLiTz 2k : 3/20/2018 11:46 am : link
in 2019 have to do with each other in terms of the draft?

The team, just like all of us, are going to hope for a big season from Manning while having a viable option waiting in the wings...whether thats Webb, a draft pick, or both.

Disagree  
Mike in Prescott : 3/20/2018 11:48 am : link
The majority of posters here who have actual inside contacts all report the same thing -- that the Giants are not interested in one of the QBs. I'm not saying it's true, but we will find out soon enough. If, in fact, we don't take a QB, it is likely that our position as a trading partner has been weakened by the (potential) leak.
My point is if the brain trust thinks  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 11:51 am : link
that it likes Webb as much or more than the QB choices at 2, then go ahead, sell off that pick for a ransom

but please don't be under some misapprehension that Eli has a meaningful amount of time left such that it would shape your decision making away from landing the next QB w/ this premium pick
Basing Eli Manning’s production  
VinegarPeppers : 3/20/2018 11:52 am : link
Basing Eli Manning’s production with no OL, no running game and the receivers were ragtag and lead the league in drops, by a lot, while Eli was fifth in the catchable balls stats, is just unfair to me.

Especially considering what he has meant to the franchise.
The QB issue comes down to Webb  
BigBlueHens : 3/20/2018 11:58 am : link
not Eli. I love Eli, but he is 37 years old with two good years left. If they believe in Webb, pass on the QB. If they don't trust Webb, pull the trigger on the QB.

If Gettleman was sold on not taking a QB, then why didn't he trade with the Jets. They would have to have gave up much more, but I would think they would rather get up to 2 rather than 3.

This gives them much more comfort that no one will jump up in front of them.
I put ZERO  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 12:01 pm : link
consideration into "what he has meant to the franchise".

This is business, this is not about emotion and feelings. He has been paid extremely well. But his production for quite some time now is not representative of his $ compensation or what I would regard as a QB I want to hitch my wagon to GOING FORWARD (not waxing poetic about past success i.e. SBs). You have to look forward in this and all businesses.
RE: The QB issue comes down to Webb  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13875846 BigBlueHens said:
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not Eli. I love Eli, but he is 37 years old with two good years left. If they believe in Webb, pass on the QB. If they don't trust Webb, pull the trigger on the QB.

If Gettleman was sold on not taking a QB, then why didn't he trade with the Jets. They would have to have gave up much more, but I would think they would rather get up to 2 rather than 3.

This gives them much more comfort that no one will jump up in front of them.


I agree with all except for the "Eli has two good years left". I just don't see it anymore.
RE: RE: The QB issue comes down to Webb  
BigBlueHens : 3/20/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13875853 Pep22 said:
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In comment 13875846 BigBlueHens said:


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not Eli. I love Eli, but he is 37 years old with two good years left. If they believe in Webb, pass on the QB. If they don't trust Webb, pull the trigger on the QB.

If Gettleman was sold on not taking a QB, then why didn't he trade with the Jets. They would have to have gave up much more, but I would think they would rather get up to 2 rather than 3.

This gives them much more comfort that no one will jump up in front of them.



I agree with all except for the "Eli has two good years left". I just don't see it anymore.

Big Eli guy here, but we also have to be realistic that he is not the quarterback he was in 2011. Re tool the offensive line and put him in a position to succeed, I think he has a couple more years left. He is not a West Coast quarterback. Play to his strengths, which is play action, and he can still bring us to the promise land. This should still not stop us from taking a franchise QB at 2.
Leaks everywhere!!!  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2018 12:33 pm : link
Giants want an edge rusher or left tackle!!!!
Things have been TOO QUIET about the QBs  
UberAlias : 3/20/2018 1:58 pm : link
If you know what I mean. Not even misinformation -who they like or don't like one way or another.

I have a feeling they are very hot for at least one of these guys and are keeping any information vaulted shut.
Don't overthink  
Giantslifer : 3/20/2018 2:02 pm : link
If Giants think Webb is future they trade down.
If Not they draft QB at #2
How could this coaching staff possibly "believe in" Webb?  
WillieYoung : 3/20/2018 2:34 pm : link
Based on what they've seen of him in his undershorts working out? Throwing against air? Last years scouting evaluations?
Webb is today, and will be on draft day, a complete unknown.
RE: How could this coaching staff possibly  
Bill L : 3/20/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13876169 WillieYoung said:
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Based on what they've seen of him in his undershorts working out? Throwing against air? Last years scouting evaluations?
Webb is today, and will be on draft day, a complete unknown.
Which is very different from everyone in this year's draft.
RE: How could this coaching staff possibly  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13876169 WillieYoung said:
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Based on what they've seen of him in his undershorts working out? Throwing against air? Last years scouting evaluations?
Webb is today, and will be on draft day, a complete unknown.


It would base its assessments on:

1 his college career
2 Gettleman (and others) draft assessment last year
3 every team films every practice and NYG may evaluate that film
4 conversations/workouts prior to this draft
I does feel different.  
Keith : 3/20/2018 2:42 pm : link
A lot of people speculating, but I don't think any of it is accurate. I think the Gmen have done a great job keeping their intentions private. Nobody has a clue what we are gonna do.

I still think we are going QB.
Gettlemans draft assessment last year?  
Keith : 3/20/2018 2:47 pm : link
Didn't he have 4 picks before Webb was drafted and he passed on Webb each time? If he liked Webb so much, he couldn't find a spot for him with any of his first 4 picks?
RE: Gettlemans draft assessment last year?  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13876195 Keith said:
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Didn't he have 4 picks before Webb was drafted and he passed on Webb each time? If he liked Webb so much, he couldn't find a spot for him with any of his first 4 picks?


Happen to know that CAR has a stud QB in his prime?
RE: I does feel different.  
Bill L : 3/20/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13876185 Keith said:
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A lot of people speculating, but I don't think any of it is accurate. I think the Gmen have done a great job keeping their intentions private. Nobody has a clue what we are gonna do.

I still think we are going QB.
Put your last two sentence together, back to back. It's a funny read.
Really?  
Keith : 3/20/2018 3:03 pm : link
So Cam Newton, who was coming off major shoulder surgery, prevented them from taking Webb in one of their first 4 picks, despite Gettleman thinking Webb was a great value? Cmon now.
Webb may be Aaron Rodgers for all we know...  
the mike : 3/20/2018 3:36 pm : link
Webb may be progressing at the exact same pace as his fellow CAL alum Aaron Rodgers did for three frustrating years behind Favre... or he may be a lost cause. We really have no idea and there is no point in speculating. The Panthers did not need to invest in a project quarterback last year so it is a moot point as to what Gettleman was then, or is now, thinking. But the fact that it is completely shrouded in mystery is terrific for the giants as it adds to the uncertainty of what we will do and therefore increases the value of the pic come draft day... If Webb is viewed by Gettleman to be demonstrably no different from the three top quarterbacks in the draft, then the Giants will trade the pic. If not, they will take whom they believe is the best quarterback after Browns make their selection. My guess is Browns take Darnold and Giants select Rosen or we trade the pic to either Denver or Buffalo based on best haul of value. The Jets trade completely changed the dynamic of the draft forcing the Browns to take quarterback with the first overall pick and making it virtually certain that the first three pics will be quarterbacks... The Giants may well be positioned better than anyone to benefit from these dynamics so let's hope that Gettleman makes it happen...amazing how important April 26, 2018 has suddenly become to the future of this franchise...
RE: Really?  
Pep22 : 3/20/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13876233 Keith said:
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So Cam Newton, who was coming off major shoulder surgery, prevented them from taking Webb in one of their first 4 picks, despite Gettleman thinking Webb was a great value? Cmon now.


Yeah, I'd say it is reasonable to think that having a star QB in his prime + a backup QB I trust would prevent a team from grabbing a QB in a premium round.
RE: Webb may be Aaron Rodgers for all we know...  
the mike : 3/20/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13876304 the mike said:
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Webb may be progressing at the exact same pace as his fellow CAL alum Aaron Rodgers did for three frustrating years behind Favre... or he may be a lost cause. We really have no idea and there is no point in speculating. The Panthers did not need to invest in a project quarterback last year so it is a moot point as to what Gettleman was then, or is now, thinking. But the fact that it is completely shrouded in mystery is terrific for the giants as it adds to the uncertainty of what we will do and therefore increases the value of the pic come draft day... If Webb is viewed by Gettleman to be demonstrably no different from the three top quarterbacks in the draft, then the Giants will trade the pic. If not, they will take whom they believe is the best quarterback after Browns make their selection. My guess is Browns take Darnold and Giants select Rosen or we trade the pic to either Denver or Buffalo based on best haul of value. The Jets trade completely changed the dynamic of the draft forcing the Browns to take quarterback with the first overall pick and making it virtually certain that the first three pics will be quarterbacks... The Giants may well be positioned better than anyone to benefit from these dynamics so let's hope that Gettleman makes it happen...amazing how important April 26, 2018 has suddenly become to the future of this franchise...


Oh and by the way, in the Super Bowl Era, quarterbacks have been taken with the first three pics exactly twice. If anyone is arguing that Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield are even remotely sure things, they are seriously misguided based on this showing...

1999 1. T. Couch, 2. D. McNabb, 3. Akili Smith
1971 1. J. Plunkett, 2. A. Manning, 3. D. Pastorini

Super Bowl Winners: 1. Plunkett (twice - 1980; 1983)
Hall of Famers: 0
Winning Percentage:
- Plunkett .500 (72-72)
- A. Manning .265 (25-101-3)
- D. Pastorini .479 (56-61)
- T. Couch .373 (22-37)
- D. McNabb .614 (98-62-1)
- Akili Smith .176 (3-14)

RE: RE: Really?  
Keith : 3/20/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13876330 Pep22 said:
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So Cam Newton, who was coming off major shoulder surgery, prevented them from taking Webb in one of their first 4 picks, despite Gettleman thinking Webb was a great value? Cmon now.



Yeah, I'd say it is reasonable to think that having a star QB in his prime + a backup QB I trust would prevent a team from grabbing a QB in a premium round.


I disagree and I think it's a stretch to suggest. I think the fact that he passed on Webb a bunch of times tells me that he didn't value him as high as you are suggesting.
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