Basically he said.
1. The Giants do not think this quarterback class is in the same league as the Manning-Ben Roethlisberger-Philip Rivers class of 2004.
2. When their draft board is finalized, the expectation is Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen and Josh Allen will not be one of the top three overall players listed. All three, of course, will be assigned high first-round grades, but all three will fall short of the top three. The strong feeling is the Giants will have running back Saquon Barkley, guard Quenton Nelson and defensive end Bradley Chubb as their highest-rated players (not necessarily in that order). So, it would go against their draft-day rules at No. 2 to take a quarterback not rated as the No. 1, 2 or 3 player on their board.
3. What about a trade down? The notion “quarterback or else they must trade out” is not flying with the Giants. Again, go back to Gettleman, who stressed, “You can’t get too cute” here. You see a player with the potential for greatness, you take him. Now, if the Giants get blown away by the Broncos (sitting at No. 5), do they move down? They definitely would consider it, especially if at No. 5 they can get Nelson.
4. Bills trade down:
Sliding all the way down in a deal with the Bills could bring back No. 12 and 22 in the first round and, in the second round, the 53rd and 65th overall picks, plus a 2019 second-round pick. It is believed Gettleman would hold out for more — the Bills would have to include their 2019 first-round pick. That is a bounty the Giants would have to consider, but the smart money is on them staying put and taking a player they see greatness in.
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If the standard is that a QB has to look like a hall fame lock, even the 2004 class wasn't that.
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If the standard is that a QB has to look like a hall fame lock, even the 2004 class wasn't that.
Agreed, and Philadelphia seems pretty happy with Wentz.
If the standard is that a QB has to look like a hall fame lock, even the 2004 class wasn't that.
No, but let's face it. Eli in 2004 was a better prospect than any of these guys - except maybe a non-concussed Rosen.
Everybody is guessing based on what they would do if they were Gettleman.
They have only been in this position a few times in the last 40 years. And the last time they were close in 2004, they would have taken Big Ben who I don’t think was rated in the top 3 players.
But they're going to get a kings ransom for the #2 overall pick.
Classic misinformation given to Paul Schwartz a couple weeks after it's reported the Giants are going to be giving misinformation to see where the leaks are coming from.
Not only are they willing to trade up but they are prepared to draft the 3rd selected QB
The only way the Giants do not select a QB is if they have a firm conviction on Webb or they get a first round pick next year that can be leveraged for a QB
But they're going to get a kings ransom for the #2 overall pick.
Classic misinformation given to Paul Schwartz a couple weeks after it's reported the Giants are going to be giving misinformation to see where the leaks are coming from.
Because the Giants may not think it is a great class does not mean other teams feel that way.
I personally want Nelson to help protect our QB and improve the running game which also helps the QB.
I personally want Nelson to help protect our QB and improve the running game which also helps the QB.
I'm wondering how much the Giants would ask from Denver to move down to 5?
Tim u are wrong. David Carr , who was Eli mannings teammate has said Josh Rosen is a better prospect than Eli coming out.
If the standard is that a QB has to look like a hall fame lock, even the 2004 class wasn't that.
This. None of these guys hold a candle as prospects.
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That should have no bearing on why or why not to take a QB.
If the standard is that a QB has to look like a hall fame lock, even the 2004 class wasn't that.
are you arguing with us, Schwartz, or Gettleman? I can’t figure it out. He’s reporting what (what he thinks) they think.
I should hope it's just what he thinks. It would be a very strange standard to draft by if how you determined a QBs value was to compare them to a draft that was 14 years and also revise history to make it seem like the 04 QBs were all surefire prospects.
All three, of course, will be assigned high first-round grades
Top ten? And would we rate a guy top 10 if we didn't think he was franchise QB material?Are we really going to pass on a franchise QB at 2 because we've determined he's only worth say the 8th slot? QB's come at a premium in this league. They cost more whether in terms $$ in FA or picks/players in a trade or draft slot.
(1) Barkley.
(2) Trade down with Denver, and take Nelson or Chubb.
I prefer (2). Assuming QBs go 1-3, then one or both of Nelson or Chubb is guaranteed to be available at 5. And it's likely to be both, since Barkley will likely go to the Browns at #4.
Well, that was a quick change of mind!
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/18/2018 1:23 pm : link : reply
You guys are so annoying with the Barkley shit that I'm starting to hope that he is a bust.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040711213947/http://football.about.com/cs/playerprofiles/p/elimanning.htm
https://scout.com/nfl/Article/2004-NFL-Draft-Quarterback-Top-10-104081983
So here's some of the scouting reports on Eli from 2004. Form your own conclusions as to how this guy would be rated against Rosen, Darnold, Allen, and Mayfield.
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and not just smoke, I'd be good with Barkley. A franchise QB would be great but they don't feel the QB is there then take the great RB.
Well, that was a quick change of mind!
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Jesus
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/18/2018 1:23 pm : link : reply
You guys are so annoying with the Barkley shit that I'm starting to hope that he is a bust.
Wow, stalker much?
I'm in favor of the Giants following their board. If the Giants don't like the QBs well enough then I'm ok with that.
I'm annoyed by how the clueless laymen on this board have built Barkley into godlike status and tear down all other prospects because they want him so badly.
See the difference there?
Clueless nobodies following emotion and trying to talk themselves out of a QB.
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Professional scouts that don't see the franchise QB.
That said, this is likely smoke.
[quote] is it so hard to believe that the Giants are not going to take sloppy seconds on a QB? There is a reason why they haven't been in this position to draft a QB many times before is because they usually do it right.
They usually do it right? What are you talking about?
Sloppy seconds? what if they get their top choice of QB,or they think both Darnold and Rosen are worthy of being picked at #2. This is one of the most highly thought of QB classes in a long time and to get the next franchise QB is not something the new GM is going to let slip through his hands.
The Giants will then have their choice of the QBs and the value of the pick goes up in trading with the Bills etc