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I honestly feel no one has a clue what NYG is thinking-

Sean : 3/20/2018 7:59 pm
A few weeks ago it was said the Giants were going to be using misdirection after being burned with leaks in prior years, I believe it. I honestly feel nobody knows what Gettleman is thinking. People saying the Giants will not take a QB or will trade down or believe in Davis Webb, etc.

I think the beat writers are speculating & have no idea. The coaching search was similar. We heard Wilks was a favorite, Patricia was a favorite, it is hard to say whether either of that was true.

Amazing we still have over a month. So crucial, yet it is completely up in the air what the Giants will do at 2.
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if he is staying at 2 for Barkley  
larryinnewhaven : 3/20/2018 8:03 pm : link
and not taking those haul of picks or a qb Saquon better be LaDainian Tomlinson.
I tend to agree.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2018 8:05 pm : link
Who knows?
Yet they still hold almost all the cards  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/20/2018 8:06 pm : link
They will get the player(s) they want
RE: if he is staying at 2 for Barkley  
CromartiesKid21 : 3/20/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13876596 larryinnewhaven said:
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and not taking those haul of picks or a qb Saquon better be LaDainian Tomlinson.


and he won nothing.
The  
AcidTest : 3/20/2018 8:07 pm : link
Giants have smartly let everyone believe that any option is possible.
No one has a clue what the Giants are doing at #2  
eclipz928 : 3/20/2018 8:08 pm : link
because no one has a clue what the Browns are doing at #1 - the two picks are pretty much intertwined. It's likely that if the Giants were going to trade the pick it wouldn't happen until draft day after the Browns make their selection.
That's what people on BBI say every year  
arniefez : 3/20/2018 8:08 pm : link
and every year the entire league knows exactly what the Giants want to do. We're heading back down that road again right now.
I honestly feel...  
BamaBlue : 3/20/2018 8:10 pm : link
no one has a clue.
Isn't that what we want  
Giantsfan79 : 3/20/2018 8:15 pm : link
we all want to have the answer but then we all bitch when other teams jump in front of us for the player we covet. can't have it both ways
If you walk away from a draft with a Ladanian Tomlinson type of player  
Breeze_94 : 3/20/2018 8:16 pm : link
there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.
I've watched every single snap saquon Barkley has played at Penn State  
bigbb : 3/20/2018 8:21 pm : link
He is going to be a superstar
RE: If you walk away from a draft with a Ladanian Tomlinson type of player  
Sean : 3/20/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13876617 Breeze_94 said:
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.


Exactly. People would be mad at this outcome? The idea is to come away with a HOF talent. We haven’t had an elite RB since Tiki.
Agreed no one knows what we are doing but  
Sand_TheWedge : 3/20/2018 8:22 pm : link
Does that mean there is no clear #1 #2 picks or is it that there are 3-4 guys that all similar draft grades? I really don’t know. I think I’d be happy with whoever we get sexy or not.
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I am Ninja : 3/20/2018 8:23 pm : link
ladanian tomlinson never carried his team to the sb... even with philip rivers. think davis webb is philip rivers?
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13876627 I am Ninja said:
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ladanian tomlinson never carried his team to the sb... even with philip rivers. think davis webb is philip rivers?


This is simplifying things too much.

SD had 11, 12, 13 and 14 win seasons with peak Tomlinson. He made that team significantly better.

They've yet to win double-digit games in a season since he left following the 2009 season.

The Giants need to get back into the playoffs first and foremost. If anyone knows that just getting in is what matters, it should be Giants fans.

If Barkley winds up being as good as the hype, he helps us do that.
We haven't had an elite RB since Tiki  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2018 8:31 pm : link
And we won nothing with him.

And won everything twice without him. It's not as if it's a must have.

Hell, we have an elite WR and a loud 30% of the fanbase can't wait till he's gone.
Tiki was very good  
Chip : 3/20/2018 8:36 pm : link
not elite fumbled a lot in the beginning. Great strategy if you want Barkley not to show up and then show up for the QB Rosen. Makes it look like were going QB which means were going RB. No longer transparent Reese.
Comments  
g56blue10 : 3/20/2018 8:40 pm : link
About Tomlinson never leading the Chargers to a super bowl as it’s some kind of conclusion that we should not draft Barkley are foolish. Should we not pick a QB because Marino never won a super bowl?

It doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t build a complete team around them. QB or running back, at the end of the day it’s going to be whole drafts and good free agents and player development that will build a championship team. Good coaching as well.
Do you believe anyone has any clue what any team is thinking?  
baadbill : 3/20/2018 8:47 pm : link
This year or any year?
RE: Do you believe anyone has any clue what any team is thinking?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13876647 baadbill said:
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This year or any year?


It's an annual thing that people find ways to convince themselves that the organization is a leaking ship and that the Giants are a continually inept organization that can't keep information in-house. All it takes is one beat writer speculating on their draft interests, and if one name gets picked before a Giants pick, it's because of a 'leak'.
i don’t buy it either  
djm : 3/20/2018 8:59 pm : link
People didn’t know the Giants were taking Beckham or apple or anyone. A team trades up in front of us and everyone goes ape shit that the Giants telegraphed their intentions. Teams trade up. Shit happens. Sometimes u have to tip your hand but I ain’t buying that everyone knew about the picks well in advance. Revisionist history.
I honestly feel no one has a clue what NYG is thinking-  
Torrag : 3/20/2018 9:00 pm : link
I agree and I'm sooo happy about it.
My favorite one of recent memory is Leonard Floyd  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2018 9:00 pm : link
As if people haven't been mocking the Giants taking a LB every year for the last decade and a half.

But yes i do agree  
djm : 3/20/2018 9:01 pm : link
That no on knows shit about the giants intentions today. Giants handled this right from the get go by coming out and praising Eli.
RE: RE: If you walk away from a draft with a Ladanian Tomlinson type of player  
Justlurking : 3/20/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13876623 Sean said:
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.



Exactly. People would be mad at this outcome? The idea is to come away with a HOF talent. We haven’t had an elite RB since Tiki.


Superbowls won since Tiki - 2
Superbowls with Tiki - 0
you are #2  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/20/2018 9:37 pm : link
it doesn't really matter as much unless they want to trade down. I sincerely doubt that the Browns will trade out of #1. At that point, we have the pick of everyone else and there is nothing anyone can do about it. It's not like being at #12. God forbid.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13876714 Justlurking said:
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.



Exactly. People would be mad at this outcome? The idea is to come away with a HOF talent. We haven’t had an elite RB since Tiki.



Superbowls won since Tiki - 2
Superbowls with Tiki - 0


Means absolutely nothing.

And by the way, Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw were a pretty darn good pair of RB's.

It's not a coincidence that the Giants offense has been really lousy for about as long as their run game has.
People don’t know  
Dave on the UWS : 3/20/2018 9:50 pm : link
what the Giants are thinking - GOOD!!
Well there is a part of me that wants to know.  
wgenesis123 : 3/20/2018 9:51 pm : link
I wanted the Giants to trade down, than I wanted Barkley, than I considered Darnold, than I considered Nelson, and now I want to trade down. Six more weeks of this is going to make me go bat shit crazy. Somehow though I will find my patience and hope for a trade down that still nets Barkley, Nelson or Chubb. Fitzpatrick would be nice too! The least appealing option to me is to take a QB at 2. e all know how good that can turn out to be. The QB's they all look like fools gold to me. I remember when Eli looked like fools gold too! Our Giants will be presented with wonderful options and even though I have been waiting 30 years for that massive trade down offer I will find a way to be happy with whatever they decide. There is much reason to be optimistic no matter what they choose. We are Giants fans, we should root for whoever puts on the uniform and hope for the best.
All i hope  
MookGiants : 3/20/2018 9:54 pm : link
is that he looks at 2016 for the fluke it was and does not make a single decision this off-season with a super bowl run in 2018 in mind. This roster is not a roster they should be "going for it" with. It's a roster that needs a young QB to build around. Not a running back and then throwing every egg in Davis Webbs basket. The previous regime that drafted him thought so highly of him that he couldnt get practice reps and couldn't beat out Geno fucking Smith
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MookGiants : 3/20/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13876720 arcarsenal said:
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.



Exactly. People would be mad at this outcome? The idea is to come away with a HOF talent. We haven’t had an elite RB since Tiki.



Superbowls won since Tiki - 2
Superbowls with Tiki - 0



Means absolutely nothing.

And by the way, Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw were a pretty darn good pair of RB's.

It's not a coincidence that the Giants offense has been really lousy for about as long as their run game has.


The Giants running game in 2011 was historically bad. They were decent in the playoffs, but the only reason they got to the playoffs was because of Eli, Hakeem, and Cruz. I believe they entered the playoffs dead last in rushing. Using Jacobs and Bradshaw as a pretty good pair of running backs when they were dead last in rushing in 2011 doesn't support an argument to draft Barkley
Meh, I disagree - Everything pointing to Barkley or no QB  
AcesUp : 3/20/2018 10:01 pm : link
Reports everywhere that we're not too high on QB and leaning non-QB, mostly Barkley. We'll see how it shakes it out, but if these reports are accurate, it doesn't look like an administrative change had an affect on the leaks.

I'm not criticizing, I actually think it's impossible to lock everything down playing in this market in 2018.
However, there is some legitimate noise out there if you cut through the speculation.
this is a serious question because I cant think of the most recent one  
MookGiants : 3/20/2018 10:02 pm : link
What team was the last one to win a super bowl that won that super bowl with a RB they picked in the first round? Never mind top 10. I can't think of the most recent one. Could it actually be Jamal Lewis almost 20 years ago?
All I know is  
blueblood : 3/20/2018 10:06 pm : link
its going to be a very long six weeks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If you walk away from a draft with a Ladanian Tomlinson type of player  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2018 10:06 pm : link
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.



Exactly. People would be mad at this outcome? The idea is to come away with a HOF talent. We haven’t had an elite RB since Tiki.



Superbowls won since Tiki - 2
Superbowls with Tiki - 0



Means absolutely nothing.

And by the way, Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw were a pretty darn good pair of RB's.

It's not a coincidence that the Giants offense has been really lousy for about as long as their run game has.



The Giants running game in 2011 was historically bad. They were decent in the playoffs, but the only reason they got to the playoffs was because of Eli, Hakeem, and Cruz. I believe they entered the playoffs dead last in rushing. Using Jacobs and Bradshaw as a pretty good pair of running backs when they were dead last in rushing in 2011 doesn't support an argument to draft Barkley


The Giants were a top 5 rushing team in 2007. We also actually won the SB that year too!

There's a reason why the 2011 team needed Eli to be fucking Superman to even make the playoffs in the first place. The 2011 team was wildly inconsistent and lost some very ugly football games - including to the Rex Grossman-led Redskins.

They were lucky they even got in at all with 9 wins - 9-7 teams miss the playoffs every single year.

Dallas was the only top 10 rushing team to miss the playoffs this past season.

I'd say running the football is pretty fucking important, personally.
RE: this is a serious question because I cant think of the most recent one  
bw in dc : 3/20/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13876742 MookGiants said:
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What team was the last one to win a super bowl that won that super bowl with a RB they picked in the first round? Never mind top 10. I can't think of the most recent one. Could it actually be Jamal Lewis almost 20 years ago?


Maybe Jerome Bettis?
RE: If you walk away from a draft with a Ladanian Tomlinson type of player  
twostepgiants : 3/20/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13876617 Breeze_94 said:
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.


Did LaDanian ever win a ring?
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twostepgiants : 3/20/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13876623 Sean said:
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there is no reason anyone should complain.

But he better be Ladanian Tomlinson.



Exactly. People would be mad at this outcome? The idea is to come away with a HOF talent. We haven’t had an elite RB since Tiki.


Did Tiki ever win a ring?
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2018 10:16 pm : link
We need to stop making this about Super Bowl winners only.

It's more than that. The 2008 Giants team during that regular season was a better football team than either of the 2007 or 2011 teams were at any point.

But one of the things that made that 2008 team so good was the way they were able to impose their will and run the football. We were the #1 rushing team in the league.

If Barkley is the best player in the draft, the Giants shouldn't be afraid to take him. A great running game elevates a football team.
RE: Comments  
twostepgiants : 3/20/2018 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13876640 g56blue10 said:
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About Tomlinson never leading the Chargers to a super bowl as it’s some kind of conclusion that we should not draft Barkley are foolish. Should we not pick a QB because Marino never won a super bowl?

It doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t build a complete team around them. QB or running back, at the end of the day it’s going to be whole drafts and good free agents and player development that will build a championship team. Good coaching as well.


Can you deny that there are inordinate amount of incredible RBs that never won anything while Marino basically stands alone at QB?

OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Gale Sayers
Eric Dickerson
Adrian Petersen
LaDanian Tomlinson
Curtis Martin
Thurman Thomas
Barry Sanders
Edgerrin James

A lot on very bad teams
an odd criticism w/ Barkley is that he's "just a home run hitter"  
Eric on Li : 3/20/2018 10:25 pm : link
ok, I get it, stylistically maybe that's not ideal...but if he's an all time home run hitter like Chris Johnson, who cares?

Just pick the best player and pray he stays healthy for 10+ years. That's all you can do.
I’d also add  
twostepgiants : 3/20/2018 10:25 pm : link
That most of the incredible RBs that did win, mostly had a HOF QB with them

Emmitt Smith
Terrell Davis
Tony Dorsett
Jerome Bettis
Marshall Faulk
Franco Harris
This debate is so silly...  
bw in dc : 3/20/2018 10:30 pm : link
yet I still get drawn in.

This team has to use resources to address four glaring needs:

-- A replacement for Eli
-- A deeper, more capable oline
-- corner help
-- pass rushers

The golden age of needing a great RB has been over for a long, long time. Running backs now grow on trees. They are everywhere. Sure, some standout above others - like a Gurley or Bell type. But you can get reasonable facsimiles of those types, and at cheaper dollars, and get solid results. And usually you can get 2-3 of them.

A Lexus is a nice car. But a Camry runs just as well and is better priced. That's what we need - a few Camrys...

The only media person I really take credence in,  
barens : 3/20/2018 10:30 pm : link
When it comes to the Giants, is Bob Papa, and he even mentioned that he thought the Giants weren’t taking a QB at 2(I believe there was a recent thread regarding this).
Most importantly  
GeoMan999 : 3/20/2018 10:32 pm : link
The Giants likely have not made a decision yet. They are just now having their one on one meetings with the top possibilities.
I have no idea  
Doomster : 3/20/2018 10:33 pm : link
what direction the Giants are going in.....

But if they don't take a qb, and Eli does not have a good year, DG has a lot of explaining to do....
Actually  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2018 10:33 pm : link
the prevailing opinion (Dottino, Papa, King, etc.) is that the Giants will not take a QB.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2018 10:36 pm : link
A backup QB (who isn't going to be a HoFer) hadn't won a Super Bowl since Hoss did it in 91... until it happened again this past February.

(I guess you could count Dilfer - but he started just as many games as Banks did and had a GOAT-level defense)

Anyway - it's short-sighted and pointless to try and blueprint everything that happens in this league. Results can be anomalous for several reasons.

Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.

The RB position became fairly devalued in recent years after the 90's and early 2000's where teams were looking for bell cow RB's to pound between the tackles 25x a game.

That is starting to change again. Ingram/Kamara was HUGE for New Orleans this past year. Gurley was probably the actual MVP of the league if it were more common for non-QB's to win it. Bell has been a catalyst for the PIT offense for several years now. The Cardinals had very good offense with David Johnson and a very, very poor one without him. (I realize Palmer was also injured.. but Palmer was also 37 years old in 2016-17.

Look at how Dallas struggled without Elliott.

Look at what Fournette did for JAX in year one and what Hunt did for KC. How good was Cook for MIN before he went down?

The pendulum is swinging back.
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bw in dc : 3/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13876780 arcarsenal said:
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That is starting to change again. Ingram/Kamara was HUGE for New Orleans this past year. Gurley was probably the actual MVP of the league if it were more common for non-QB's to win it. Bell has been a catalyst for the PIT offense for several years now. The Cardinals had very good offense with David Johnson and a very, very poor one without him. (I realize Palmer was also injured.. but Palmer was also 37 years old in 2016-17.



Ingram 1st round, 28th pick
Kamara 3rd round, 67th pick
Gurley 1st round, 10th pick
Bell 2nd round, 48th pick
Johnson 3rd round, 68th pick

My point? RBs - good ones - are EVERYWHERE.
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blueblood : 3/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13876780 arcarsenal said:
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The pendulum is swinging back.


I dont think people are ready to accept this fact.. One of the ways you deal with the pass happy offenses in the NFL is a solid run game.. ball control.. eat up the clock.. keep their offense off the field.. which keeps your defense fresh..

Especially your four minute offense in close games.. I also think that just getting run all over is demoralizing..
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