I honestly feel no one has a clue what NYG is thinking-

In comment 13876792 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13876780 arcarsenal said: Quote: That is starting to change again. Ingram/Kamara was HUGE for New Orleans this past year. Gurley was probably the actual MVP of the league if it were more common for non-QB's to win it. Bell has been a catalyst for the PIT offense for several years now. The Cardinals had very good offense with David Johnson and a very, very poor one without him. (I realize Palmer was also injured.. but Palmer was also 37 years old in 2016-17. Ingram 1st round, 28th pick Kamara 3rd round, 67th pick Gurley 1st round, 10th pick Bell 2nd round, 48th pick Johnson 3rd round, 68th pick My point? RBs - good ones - are EVERYWHERE.

The larger point is about the impact of the players playing those positions.

Does it matter that the Rams got Gurley 10th overall instead of 2 rounds later? He's an elite player who had a major impact on that team and was one of the best players in football this year.

None of the listed players above were taken later than rd. 3. Obviously there are good RB's scattered around - but again, we had years not too far in the rear where not even 1 RB was taken in round 1.

The 2017 rookie RB class had a huge impact across the league.

If Barkley is as good as he's being billed, he will make the QB better and will make the Giants a better team.

In comment 13876793 blueblood said:

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In comment 13876780 arcarsenal said: Quote: The pendulum is swinging back. I dont think people are ready to accept this fact.. One of the ways you deal with the pass happy offenses in the NFL is a solid run game.. ball control.. eat up the clock.. keep their offense off the field.. which keeps your defense fresh.. Especially your four minute offense in close games.. I also think that just getting run all over is demoralizing..

Yep. Now everyone is sucked too far into the pass-happy aspects of the league.

Sometimes you can gain an advantage by zigging when most of your competition is still zagging.

If everyone tries to build a successful team the same way, resources to do so that way will become limited quickly. Sometimes it's better to look to bolster your roster in a way that most other teams are ignoring or undervaluing.

That's not to say that most of the league doesn't have their eye on Barkley - he's an incredible prospect. But not many teams have a true, elite 3-down runner. RB's like this are NOT a dime a dozen. It's a weapon that most of the league doesn't have in their arsenal.

FWIW, I'm not even dead set on Barkley. I think the Giants should take either he or Rosen @ 2 or move down if one of those 2 are gone and they're not completely enamored with the other.

I just think the whole "great RB's don't win SB's" argument is terribly short-sighted and dismissive. But hey, that's just my opinion, man.

In comment 13876778 Eric from BBI said:

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the prevailing opinion (Dottino, Papa, King, etc.) is that the Giants will not take a QB.

Eric,

If NYG takes a QB which one do you want? I don't think I have heard your choice.

In comment 13876796 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13876792 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13876780 arcarsenal said: Quote: That is starting to change again. Ingram/Kamara was HUGE for New Orleans this past year. Gurley was probably the actual MVP of the league if it were more common for non-QB's to win it. Bell has been a catalyst for the PIT offense for several years now. The Cardinals had very good offense with David Johnson and a very, very poor one without him. (I realize Palmer was also injured.. but Palmer was also 37 years old in 2016-17. Ingram 1st round, 28th pick Kamara 3rd round, 67th pick Gurley 1st round, 10th pick Bell 2nd round, 48th pick Johnson 3rd round, 68th pick My point? RBs - good ones - are EVERYWHERE. The larger point is about the impact of the players playing those positions. Does it matter that the Rams got Gurley 10th overall instead of 2 rounds later? He's an elite player who had a major impact on that team and was one of the best players in football this year. None of the listed players above were taken later than rd. 3. Obviously there are good RB's scattered around - but again, we had years not too far in the rear where not even 1 RB was taken in round 1. The 2017 rookie RB class had a huge impact across the league. If Barkley is as good as he's being billed, he will make the QB better and will make the Giants a better team.

It just so happens that Barkley is the best player in this draft. It doesn't always matter who else is available in this draft at RB. There is only one Barkley.

I'm still evaluating them.

And THEY may have not established any solid agreement on their priorities or options, and likely won't until April 26 @ 6:59 pm.
Barring a pre-draft trade.

In comment 13876632 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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And we won nothing with him. And won everything twice without him. It's not as if it's a must have. Hell, we have an elite WR and a loud 30% of the fanbase can't wait till he's gone.

so true but I'm in the minority

that Gettleman’s thoughts on the matter are inscrutable to beat writers-whatever they are.

There are plenty of ways to run the football well and still have team success that don't involve drafting a RB as high as possible.


The Eagles stormed through the entire league and ranked 3rd in rushing yards by featuring two runningbacks that their original teams thought were disposable parts, neither of which managed to reach 800 rush yards on the season.

The Patriots won a super bowl with the 18th ranked run game and no player rushing for 500 yards on the season. In fact, Bill Belichick's team has had ONE runningback run for 1000 yards in the last five years. They sent Coughlin's power running game home for the season while running for a hearty 50 total yards rushing themselves.

Can't use the Pats as an example because they're just impossible to explain?

In the 2017 NFL playoffs divisional round, only one out of eight teams had a 100 yard rusher.

The idea of a franchise RB or a team "built" on the run game has won some and lost some. There's no secret sauce, and Giants fans should obviously know that's the truth. They've done it both ways: with a great run game and literally the worst one in the sport.

In comment 13876778 Eric from BBI said:

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the prevailing opinion (Dottino, Papa, King, etc.) is that the Giants will not take a QB.

If we're not taking a QB, then we pretty much have to trade down. Even a generational RB, Guard isn't worth the likely haul we could get.

If we can get to 5 or 6 (which will require the Bills to get to six and still have the capital to make it worth while) at least one of the three blue chip non QB's will be there. We could use any of them, but I do worry about Chubbs fit in a 3-4, simply because we could easily wear him down at End on early downs if we're not careful.

In comment 13876778 Eric from BBI said:

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the prevailing opinion (Dottino, Papa, King, etc.) is that the Giants will not take a QB.

If we're not taking a QB, then we pretty much have to trade down. Even a generational RB, Guard isn't worth the likely haul we could get.

If we can get to 5 or 6 (which will require the Bills to get to six and still have the capital to make it worth while). At least one of the three blue chip non QB's will be there. We could use any of them, but I do worry about Chubbs fit in a 3-4, simply because we could easily wear him down at End on early downs if we're not careful.

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In comment 13876640 g56blue10 said: Quote: About Tomlinson never leading the Chargers to a super bowl as it’s some kind of conclusion that we should not draft Barkley are foolish. Should we not pick a QB because Marino never won a super bowl? It doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t build a complete team around them. QB or running back, at the end of the day it’s going to be whole drafts and good free agents and player development that will build a championship team. Good coaching as well. Can you deny that there are inordinate amount of incredible RBs that never won anything while Marino basically stands alone at QB? OJ Simpson Earl Campbell Gale Sayers Eric Dickerson Adrian Petersen LaDanian Tomlinson Curtis Martin Thurman Thomas Barry Sanders Edgerrin James A lot on very bad teams

Marino stands alone, really? The following might disagree with you:
- Steve NcNair
- Jim Kelly
- Randall Cunningham
- Boomer Esiason
- Donovan McNabb
- Ken Anderson
- Dan Fouts
- Fran Tarkenton
- Warren Moon
- Archie Manning
- Bernie Kosar

Just to name a few

In comment 13876892 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13876759 twostepgiants said: Quote: In comment 13876640 g56blue10 said: Quote: About Tomlinson never leading the Chargers to a super bowl as it’s some kind of conclusion that we should not draft Barkley are foolish. Should we not pick a QB because Marino never won a super bowl? It doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t build a complete team around them. QB or running back, at the end of the day it’s going to be whole drafts and good free agents and player development that will build a championship team. Good coaching as well. Can you deny that there are inordinate amount of incredible RBs that never won anything while Marino basically stands alone at QB? OJ Simpson Earl Campbell Gale Sayers Eric Dickerson Adrian Petersen LaDanian Tomlinson Curtis Martin Thurman Thomas Barry Sanders Edgerrin James A lot on very bad teams Marino stands alone, really? The following might disagree with you: - Steve NcNair - Jim Kelly - Randall Cunningham - Boomer Esiason - Donovan McNabb - Ken Anderson - Dan Fouts - Fran Tarkenton - Warren Moon - Archie Manning - Bernie Kosar Just to name a few

Are we forgetting Phillip Rivers?

I think we're doing such a better job hiding our intentions just like Sean mentioned in the OP.

I think you're hearing more and more rumors about not wanting a QB and trading down because Gettleman is trying to create a market for the pick to get this biggest offer for him to consider.

I'm willing to bet they are leaning QB but are trying to drum up offers to convince them otherwise.

My guess based on nothing!

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Are we forgetting Phillip Rivers?

Nope, he is still playing, so there is still a chance; I guess

In comment 13876888 bigbluescot said:

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In comment 13876778 Eric from BBI said: Quote: the prevailing opinion (Dottino, Papa, King, etc.) is that the Giants will not take a QB. If we're not taking a QB, then we pretty much have to trade down. Even a generational RB, Guard isn't worth the likely haul we could get. If we can get to 5 or 6 (which will require the Bills to get to six and still have the capital to make it worth while). At least one of the three blue chip non QB's will be there. We could use any of them, but I do worry about Chubbs fit in a 3-4, simply because we could easily wear him down at End on early downs if we're not careful.

Chubb is the most flawed of the blue chippers and has potential bust characteristics unlike the others, but then again he plays a premium position only behind QB.

In many ways a good 4-3 pass rushing DE who can stand up against the run is more valuable than a qb, only a handful of those while there are at least a dozen serviceable qbs in the nfl. Strahan was an absolute freak.

senior, and I think you have to take into account that he's sort of a man among boys age wise, and once you get into the NFL, can he continue that type of success.