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Phil Simms: Giants can trade No. 2 pick for a 'ransom' if...

GFAN52 : 3/20/2018 9:37 pm
1 QB in particular is available.

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The offseason and free-agency decisions made by the Giants suggest to Phil Simms that the team is gearing up to make one more Super Bowl run behind quarterback Eli Manning in 2018.

In that case, Simms thinks the No. 2 pick in the NFL Draft is a no-brainer: Running back Saquon Barkley.

But if that's not the case? Well, then things get interesting for general manager Dave Gettleman.

"If you are looking anything into the future, if (Wyoming quarterback) Josh Allen is sitting there and they don't take him, I would think they will get a ransom for Josh Allen," Simms told Adam Schein on SiriusXM's Mad Dog Sports Radio. "If Cleveland takes (USC quarterback) Sam Darnold or Barkley, and Josh Allen is sitting there, that will be interesting.

"I think Cleveland will take take a quarterback first. So the Giants are going to be sitting there, and if Josh Allen is there and Barkley is there, I think a lot of teams are going to come flying up there to try and get that pick and to get Josh Allen, I think."


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Again, if multiple teams covet Allen..  
Sean : 3/20/2018 9:45 pm : link
the Giants better be right otherwise they look foolish trading out. QB is a need.
If they are  
TommyWiseau : 3/20/2018 9:48 pm : link
dead set on taking Barkley at 2 and the Jets want their QB but are afraid of Buffalo moving up, maybe we can swindle the Jets into moving up to 2 and we drop to 3 and get Barkley. Similar to what Chicago did with the 49ers last year, we could nab their 3rd rounder this year, a 5th this year and a third next year. Also gives us more ammo to move up into the late 1st if Hernandez falls to mid 20s or something.
Phil loves the big arm guys  
bigblue12 : 3/20/2018 9:50 pm : link
Loved Cutler
I thought Phil had his Josh's mixed up when I first read it  
GFAN52 : 3/20/2018 9:50 pm : link
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He may also  
kes722 : 3/20/2018 9:50 pm : link
Be the biggest risk in the draft. But i would love to see what he can do in the right situation
gearing up for one more super bowl run  
MookGiants : 3/20/2018 9:51 pm : link
would be the dumbest thing this franchise has done in a long, long time.

Much worse than even hiring McAdoo.

The talent level simply is not there. Eli is 37, he's not going to suddenly spring back to 2012 Eli. And I love Eli, but it's just time.

Hopefully Gettleman realizes that this team has been rotten for a while now and looks at 2016 as a fluke, which it was. How that team made the playoffs with the offense it had I have no idea.

Stop all the nonsense and pick the best QB available
He seems to think that Allen is the qb teams want most.  
Ira : 3/20/2018 9:52 pm : link
I'm not sure that he's right.
i think buffalo wants Allen badly  
mphbullet36 : 3/20/2018 9:54 pm : link
They see a big armed kid that will be durable in the NFL that will be able to play in bad weather in the north east....if CLE goes Darnold its probably what we are waiting for...then wait for a ransom if Buffalo wants to move up.

Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
firedbytheboss : 3/20/2018 10:03 pm : link
Why would anyone tale Allen over Rosen. Sure Allen has a bigger arm. But Rosen's arm is plenty strong. Plus Rosen has all the other stuff a QB needs in spades. He throws with accuracy, anticipation into tight windows and he is highly intelligent. I will take the intellectual Rosen over the aww shucks cowpoke Allen any day.
RE: Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
blueblood : 3/20/2018 10:05 pm : link
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Why would anyone tale Allen over Rosen. Sure Allen has a bigger arm. But Rosen's arm is plenty strong. Plus Rosen has all the other stuff a QB needs in spades. He throws with accuracy, anticipation into tight windows and he is highly intelligent. I will take the intellectual Rosen over the aww shucks cowpoke Allen any day.


Because people evaluate things differently.. Allen is more athletic.. and you dont know how intelligent Allen is unless you interviewed him and let him do some work on a whiteboard for you..
I  
AcidTest : 3/20/2018 10:06 pm : link
think Buffalo wants Rosen. Much more ready to play now. Less risk than Allen.
RE: RE: Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
firedbytheboss : 3/20/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13876745 blueblood said:
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Why would anyone tale Allen over Rosen. Sure Allen has a bigger arm. But Rosen's arm is plenty strong. Plus Rosen has all the other stuff a QB needs in spades. He throws with accuracy, anticipation into tight windows and he is highly intelligent. I will take the intellectual Rosen over the aww shucks cowpoke Allen any day.



Because people evaluate things differently.. Allen is more athletic.. and you dont know how intelligent Allen is unless you interviewed him and let him do some work on a whiteboard for you..



athleticism in a qb is overrated. who do you want - Newton, Vick, RG3 or Peyton, Brees, Brady.

Get the guy who can read a defense and stick it into a tight window as the receiver breaks. Allen has shown none of this ability. Rosen has. Plus Rosen is a fine athlete. He has a great arm and his tape shows he can evade traffic. I'm not saying Allen is a sure bust. Maybe he will be the best ever. But Rosen has a better chance to be great.
Jets set the market  
Bobby from Bensonhurst : 3/20/2018 10:38 pm : link
But have very little left to give unless it’s a player who cubic doubt they would do. Bills 1st rounders is too far back.
I do not get how anyone  
Breeze_94 : 3/20/2018 10:40 pm : link
can actually think Allen is or ever will be better than Rosen
RE: Jets set the market  
Eman11 : 3/20/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13876784 Bobby from Bensonhurst said:
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But have very little left to give unless it’s a player who cubic doubt they would do. Bills 1st rounders is too far back.


I'd hold out for their 1st next year and then make the trade back to 3. We'd still get the guy we want (assuming DG doesn't want a QB) and have a bonus premium pick next year.
I think NFL teams and specifically coaches  
Oscar : 3/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
Are always ready to talk themselves into a guy with all the physical skills. They think they can coach up/figure out the rest. So I would not be surprised if Allen was the most coveted guy.
Rosen can't do this  
allstarjim : 3/20/2018 11:14 pm : link
RE: Rosen can't do this  
firedbytheboss : 3/20/2018 11:18 pm : link
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He won't have to. He will hit the wide open receiver.
Can't fit a ball into a tight window  
allstarjim : 3/20/2018 11:32 pm : link


No tight window:



Yup, zero accuracy.



What Allen has that Rosen does not:



RE: RE: Rosen can't do this  
allstarjim : 3/20/2018 11:32 pm : link
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He won't have to. He will hit the wide open receiver.


If he has enough time.
RE: RE: RE: Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
blueblood : 3/20/2018 11:33 pm : link
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athleticism in a qb is overrated. who do you want - Newton, Vick, RG3 or Peyton, Brees, Brady.

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Always love when people tilt things to the extreme to try and make their point...

How about Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Elway or Roethlisberger,Russell Wilson, Rodger THE DODGER Staubach..

None of those guys have won anything.. oh wait YES they have..
RE: RE: Rosen can't do this  
allstarjim : 3/20/2018 11:34 pm : link
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He won't have to. He will hit the wide open receiver.


Like this?



Swing pass, hello.
But at least he feels the pressure  
allstarjim : 3/20/2018 11:35 pm : link
Hitting the open receiver (on the wrong team):  
allstarjim : 3/20/2018 11:39 pm : link


I'm honestly just screwing around here but this throw right here is awful. He has time, under no pressure, has his feet set, and he just uncorks a throw that is not only under thrown, but inside, and the safety makes the interception. That ball has to be deeper and to the sideline shoulder of his receiver. He misses this throw by about SEVEN YARDS.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
firedbytheboss : 3/20/2018 11:53 pm : link
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athleticism in a qb is overrated. who do you want - Newton, Vick, RG3 or Peyton, Brees, Brady.

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Always love when people tilt things to the extreme to try and make their point...

How about Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Elway or Roethlisberger,Russell Wilson, Rodger THE DODGER Staubach..

None of those guys have won anything.. oh wait YES they have..


Sure .. and all these guys can win standing in the pocket. they don't rely on their athleticism first. Allen hasn't demonstrated he can win with a pass first approach. The scouting book on him is that he looks to run when in trouble rather than eyes downfield to complete the pass.
RE: Hitting the open receiver (on the wrong team):  
firedbytheboss : 3/20/2018 11:55 pm : link
In comment 13876829 allstarjim said:
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I'm honestly just screwing around here but this throw right here is awful. He has time, under no pressure, has his feet set, and he just uncorks a throw that is not only under thrown, but inside, and the safety makes the interception. That ball has to be deeper and to the sideline shoulder of his receiver. He misses this throw by about SEVEN YARDS.


all you are demonstrating is your gift for making gifs.. congrats.. i can make a reel that makes Josh Allen look worlds better than Tom Brady..
Phil must have an awesome weed guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2018 12:08 am : link
if what he's taking from this NFL season is that the Giants are close to making a super bowl run before Eli's 40th birthday.
I think Allen will be the best QB in this draft  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 3/21/2018 12:16 am : link
But I'm in no way overly confident about that.

The one thing about Allen I am very confident about tho is that he'll be a lot better than what a lot of people on this board seem to expect from him.
RE: Phil must have an awesome weed guy  
djstat : 3/21/2018 12:44 am : link
In comment 13876843 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if what he's taking from this NFL season is that the Giants are close to making a super bowl run before Eli's 40th birthday.
They re nt as far off as you think
RE: RE: Hitting the open receiver (on the wrong team):  
allstarjim : 3/21/2018 12:47 am : link
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I'm honestly just screwing around here but this throw right here is awful. He has time, under no pressure, has his feet set, and he just uncorks a throw that is not only under thrown, but inside, and the safety makes the interception. That ball has to be deeper and to the sideline shoulder of his receiver. He misses this throw by about SEVEN YARDS.



all you are demonstrating is your gift for making gifs.. congrats.. i can make a reel that makes Josh Allen look worlds better than Tom Brady..


We'll see. I didn't make the gifs, I found them and posted. Rosen right now is a Ford Focus and so many people here think he's a Mercedes Benz. We'll all find out in time.

I agree with poster above, Allen has a lot of risk but I think he'll be loads better than what some on BBI are saying. He needs some time.
Out of all the QB  
TommyWiseau : 3/21/2018 1:27 am : link
prospects, Allen intrigues me the most. It's a huge risk, a swing for the fences pick hence whh I actually think Cleveland goes Allen at q and if they don't the Jets will pick him at 3. If Schurmer, Shula and Gettleman think he is the guy then so be it. He is going to be better then most here think
*Shurmer  
TommyWiseau : 3/21/2018 1:28 am : link
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RE: RE: Phil must have an awesome weed guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2018 1:32 am : link
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if what he's taking from this NFL season is that the Giants are close to making a super bowl run before Eli's 40th birthday.

They re nt as far off as you think


They've got a lot to prove before that theory holds water. Then the matter of looking up at two other teams in their own division.
RE: Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
TheBigCat : 3/21/2018 5:52 am : link
In comment 13876744 firedbytheboss said:
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Why would anyone tale Allen over Rosen. Sure Allen has a bigger arm. But Rosen's arm is plenty strong. Plus Rosen has all the other stuff a QB needs in spades. He throws with accuracy, anticipation into tight windows and he is highly intelligent. I will take the intellectual Rosen over the aww shucks cowpoke Allen any day.


LOL Mr Simms has spent the last 40 yrs on the inside of the NFL as a HOF QB (arguably) and a top analyst, both Highly paid respected NFL positions. You on the other hand have gained all your knowledge or lack there of from people exactly like or less accomplished then him. And yet you have the temerity to think him stupid?? Understand? if Philip Simms is stupid yet his accomplishments and knowledge of the game both on the field and in the booth are paramount to yours then your opinions i'm afraid are completely without merit and can be of much better use to wipe away your daily excrement. Stupid is as stupid does.

Phi Simms is probably another guy represented by CAA  
Milton : 3/21/2018 5:58 am : link
The CAA empire is trying to create a narrative that Josh Allen and Sam Darnold are the top two targets of team's affections. This is how CAA works. They were the ones who invented "packaging" and it's how their founder, Mike Ovitz, became the most powerful man in Hollywood back in the 90's.

p.s.--Have you noticed how guys like Sy'56, Matt Waldman, and the draftniks who aren't themselves represented by agents seem to prefer Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield?
RE: He may also  
Diver_Down : 3/21/2018 6:01 am : link
In comment 13876730 kes722 said:
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Be the biggest risk in the draft. But i would love to see what he can do in the right situation


Allen is the enigma. When it was reported that he had no QB coach in college, it makes you wonder what his potential is with proper coaching. Right now, he has gotten by with his own athletic ability. I am curious to see him in the right situation and am interested in following his development. I just don't see the Giants taking the gamble at #2 with him. Some team will be tempted.
RE: Phil Simms is pretty stupid,  
Eman11 : 3/21/2018 7:27 am : link
In comment 13876744 firedbytheboss said:
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Why would anyone tale Allen over Rosen. Sure Allen has a bigger arm. But Rosen's arm is plenty strong. Plus Rosen has all the other stuff a QB needs in spades. He throws with accuracy, anticipation into tight windows and he is highly intelligent. I will take the intellectual Rosen over the aww shucks cowpoke Allen any day.



Maybe because Rosen either didn't play in or didn't finish 12 of his last 20 games at UCLA. If that's how he fared in college what makes anyone think he'll fare better in the pros?

Rosen's intellectual strength isn't worth much on the trainers table.
Uhh Milton if my memory serves  
JCin332 : 3/21/2018 7:52 am : link
Sy'56 is not a big fan of Rosen...
RE: Uhh Milton if my memory serves  
section125 : 3/21/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 13876937 JCin332 said:
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Sy'56 is not a big fan of Rosen...


May not be a fan, but yesterday said he will most likely be his top rated QB.
What scares me the most with Rosen and I like him  
Blue21 : 3/21/2018 7:57 am : link
is durability. 12 of the last 20 games he hasn't played or finished?
I have ot say, that Josh Allen is really really growing on me  
Bill L : 3/21/2018 8:24 am : link
those clips help (kidding, I realize they are selective).

I would never pick him over Barkley...at least not for another couple years...or possibly next year.

But, if Barkley does get taken number one...or even if we force ourselves to settle for a QB at 2, I wouldn't be too upset if the choice was Allen.
Fired by the boss  
joeinpa : 3/21/2018 9:20 am : link
"Phil Simms is stupid!

Why because he disagrees with you? Wow!
Allen  
Thegratefulhead : 3/21/2018 9:37 am : link
Josh will be the bust of 2018, he will be a coach and GM killer. They will keep waiting on a ceiling to rise that will never come. Years of mediocrity followed by big free agent deal because someone else will still be willing to take a shot on potential. He will crush 2 teams.
allstarjim  
ATL_Giants : 3/21/2018 10:18 am : link
a good job of jeering without crossing the line of becoming a scumbag. Not done often enough on BBI, nice job.
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