It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
I tend to agree, but Mara picked Gettleman. He's not a risk taker.
that would be super depressing...you need to take advantage of the #2 pick. It has inherit value due to QB class coming out this year...if we don't take advantage of that it would be like giving away free value...might as well just ended up with the 5 or 6th pick.
We have the #2 pick, we should start acting like it.
If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Mara got spooked with the fans who revolted over the idea of benching Eli. He MAY think that if we draft the QB may lead to losing some of the fan base.
Get why this would signal the Giants going Barkley? If anything hey are standing pat and taking the QB they want and think they can get.
It's not that... it's all of the leaks coming out that the Giants don't like the QBs as much as other teams do.
I guess it could be misinformation. At least I hope so. DG suggested he wanted to tighten up the leaks...and by sending out a bunch of misinformation maybe this is our way of leaking the "wrong info"
It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
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YEAH! Why is everyone speculating on what the NY Giants will do on a NY Giants message board!? Ridiculous!
You totally missed what I was expressing. I get a laugh @ these people who treat this stuff like gospel when it's a fluid situation that none of really are privy to know what's actually going on behind the scenes.
I havent seen one poster treat it as "Gospel" or even likely. People are just speculating about the fallout if this happened. In fact, the words I see most are "if" and "maybe."
I get to laugh at posters like you who think they have some magnified sense of perspective because they only react to things that have already happened and like to remind us that no one knows what will happen - as if the rest of us dont already know that. Sometimes it is just fun to speculate.
It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
We all know that McAdoo wanted to get rid of Eli but from the reports it sounded like most of the FO wanted to move on. I have a hard time believing that it was just those three.
If we are convinced that the Giants are going to take Barkley or Chubb and they end up taking Rosen. That would prove that Gettleman did a masterful job leaking false information out because it appears that most of the media reports have the Giants passing on a QB at 2.
That entire franchise should be fire and bunker bombed.
They already have the 1st and 4th pick plus three seconds. If they trade down for more picks and miss out on most of the QB's then they truly are idiotic.
but he may have been looking for a GM who told him in the interview he won’t draft a qb and Eli is not done. Look, Gettleman is 67, he also wants to win now.
Anyway, the Bills move calling the Browns could mean 1000 different things.
It could be a Pr move to scare the Giants into taking their offer, it could mean the opposite that the Giants won’t trade back and the Bills need the Browns now, it could mean that the Giants covet a QB or Barkley and won’t move until the Browns announce their intentions (which is likely on draft day). Bottom line is we don’t have the first damn clue what this means and reading tea leaves at this point is silly.
this is a media flag planted by the Bills to pressure the Giants.
No chance the Browns trade out of the first pick.
This. You don't acquire Tyrod Taylor and trade your only potential long term QB (Kizer) if you don't plan on taking a QB.
They gave up the first pick in the third round for Taylor. I see the point about Kizer, i dont understand the point about Taylor. That is an incredibly rich price to pay - borderline incompetent, if not outright - for a stopgap guy to give you ~8 games before handing it off to the #1 overall pick.
If we are convinced that the Giants are going to take Barkley or Chubb and they end up taking Rosen. That would prove that Gettleman did a masterful job leaking false information out because it appears that most of the media reports have the Giants passing on a QB at 2.
The one thing that i have to say is Gettleman has been awesome so far in masking his intentions and that is a really good thing and if that continues he should be appreciated for doing so when not only did the last regime not do so but most teams can’t.
pressure on DG to take an offer now. Buffalo needs to get it done ASAP, waiting only increases the chance that they don't get their guy. and drives the price up. For the Giants they run the risk of having no trade partner come draft day. Their conviction in Barkley and Nelson has to be really strong to stand pat. Of course the Giants could have everyone fooled if they are indeed focusing on a QB.
Makes me really question Gettleman if he does this. I don’t see a game breaker nor a game changer with Barkley. He’s flashy athletically but I want to take a chance on a player who can be a cornerstone for 10 years or more, not a guy who if we are lucky makes it to a second contract.
I am not trying to be obnoxious or mean but how much football do you watch and when you watch these games is your seeing eye dog with you when you do. Barley is not a game breaker, you are the 1st person I have ever heard say that. He is not a game changer, ask the teams and coaches who he has played against and had to game plan for him what they think. Ask the scouts that all have him ranked 1st in the draft what they think if he is a game changer. Tell me you do not want a RB with the 2nd pick fine, but to make comments like you did tells me you have never actually seen him play or you just don't know football.
Have you asked the coaches or scouts or any professional in any team what they think of Barkley? None of us know what these people think about Barkley or anybody.
It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
Eric,
I agree with you on most fronts here. I believe the Giants should draft a QB, but i am not convinced they will. I go back and forth. They have really telegraphed that they don't like the QBs, yet on the flip side they did a private workout with Rosen yesterday. It would also be smart to let the world know you don't want a QB if you really do because it may affect the way the Browns pick. For example, if the Browns covet Barkley and dreamed of pairing Barkley with a Rookie QB to reincarnate the 90's Cowboys, then maybe it forces the Browns to draft Barkley 1 thus giving the Giants their 1st choice at QB. Or...maybe the Giants are as leaky as always and people just know what they are thinking.
In addition, while you state that everyone that wanted to move on from Eli was fired, I remember it was Mara that had a part in the Eli benching. At least by his own words he felt that it was time to look at the other QBs on the roster to see what they had.
Finally, while there is risk to drafting a QB, there is great risk to not drafting one. The evidence does not paint Eli's future in a favorable light. While he may rebound into a QB that we can contend with, he really hasn't been the dominant player we knew since mid way through 2012. That's not to say he hasn't had some good statistical years, but i think you know what i mean. He may look great with the new regime and have renaissance, but if he doesn't and the Giants passed on a QB, there will be a significant backlash. If Eli struggles and Webb is nothing more than a standard 3rd round, while even 2 of the rookie QBs look promising (i say 2 since we have the 2 pick) i can see Gettleman getting a lot of heat in year 1.
Just some thoughts. I have honestly no idea what they will do and Barkley is tempting. (Although i do feel strongly that taking Chubb if Barkley is not there is really not maximizing the value of the awful season we just had).
Thanks. You don't have to convince me about the risk of not drafting a QB. That's why I've been arguing for drafting one at this spot for months now. But that was/is dependent on the team believing their is a franchise QB in this draft. Who knows?
I'm not saying all of the dump Eli guys were those three (or even if they were all supportive of that). I'm merely suggesting that is a possibility. McAdoo seemed ready to move on. Mara? Who knows? He was conspicuously absent the day the announcement was made to bench him. Then they backtracked after the outrage. I find it very doubtful he wasn't on board initially.
How has Gettleman masked his intentions? Everyone seems to be suggesting they know the Giants won't draft a QB. Again, could be a great smoke screen, but we've never seen that from the Giants and Gettleman didn't apparently do that in Carolina either.
in Gettleman's defense, he really hasn't said anything publicly which would mean, or not mean, that they are not drafting a quarterback. I think the media/scouts/reporters just write what they think they will do. Gettleman has said he wants a HOF type player and they can't miss or get too cute. Why does that mean it's not a QB?
All i know is that Reese along with basically every Giants coach went to Floyd's pro day. Everyone on earth knew they wanted him at #10. Gettleman hasn't done anything close to that with showing his hand.
They draft their QB, and if Barkley gets taken by the Giants, they trade out of #4.
I agree. It makes much more sense to me for them to trade their #4 than the #1. At 1 they'd get their QB, and could take the big haul that's being floated round from the Bills for the #4.
Then if DG doesn't want a QB, I could see him trading the 2 to Buffalo for their 4 and next year's 1. QBs go 1-2-3, and the Giants have their pick of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson at 4.
Hell, they could turn around and swap the 4 to Denver if the Broncos wanted to go for a QB and DG could still get one of those guys. Huge win/win for DG and the Giants if it even plays out close to this IMO.
Makes me really question Gettleman if he does this. I don’t see a game breaker nor a game changer with Barkley. He’s flashy athletically but I want to take a chance on a player who can be a cornerstone for 10 years or more, not a guy who if we are lucky makes it to a second contract.
I am not trying to be obnoxious or mean but how much football do you watch and when you watch these games is your seeing eye dog with you when you do. Barley is not a game breaker, you are the 1st person I have ever heard say that. He is not a game changer, ask the teams and coaches who he has played against and had to game plan for him what they think. Ask the scouts that all have him ranked 1st in the draft what they think if he is a game changer. Tell me you do not want a RB with the 2nd pick fine, but to make comments like you did tells me you have never actually seen him play or you just don't know football.
Your conduct is yet again a problem and commentary is wholly unproductive. This is a board where we are allowed to post our opinion. Lay off the personal insults or expect to be banned very quickly. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen your drivel on this board going after people.
I’ve watched a ton of Penn St football the last two years. I love the kid personally and I’m entitled to my opinion in how I see him translating to the NFL.
Scouts and teams miss on players almost as much as we do as fans. I don’t intend that to be a slight towards Sy, who does a fantastic job and is talented at what he does, but if I had ten bucks for every time some players was can’t miss or a game changer and then whiffed I could probably retire right now.
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then you get the Jets, the Bills and probably the Broncos fighting to get to 2 with the ability (assuming you're not taking a QB) to safely move down.
That's the ideal scenario for me.
Your scenario of the Bills trading to 4 would assure Barkley to the Giants if the Giants traded back to 4. Same for Nelson if they're leading more towards him. Either way, DG gets his guy while getting more picks.
Knows what he is doing yet. Darnold has his pro day tom. April 9 Shurmur can spend some time with Webb to help their decision. I wouldn’t be surprised if the decision goes right up to the draft.
How has Gettleman masked his intentions? Everyone seems to be suggesting they know the Giants won't draft a QB. Again, could be a great smoke screen, but we've never seen that from the Giants and Gettleman didn't apparently do that in Carolina either.
I have not the slightest clue what he is going to do, and nothing in terms of actions or even some of the half-hearted opinions by Schwartz that the Giants are not going to pick a qb, have convinced me otherwise. Maybe it’s because I can’t think Gettleman can be so stupid as to to pick Barkley. I have much more faith in him, so maybe it’s my bias showing and he hasnt been as good at masking his intention as I thought.
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it might be the Jets trade, simply because it would be odd if a team would be satisfied with 3 QBs to give up what they did. But, even if the Jets didn’t think thAt only one qb would be picked by them, they have no idea if the NyG would trade out of two. So, yeah I have no trouble saying Gettleman has masked his intentions pretty well.
I'd agree there isn't much to suggest DG's been a smokescreener in the Â
It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
Eric,
I agree with you on most fronts here. I believe the Giants should draft a QB, but i am not convinced they will. I go back and forth. They have really telegraphed that they don't like the QBs, yet on the flip side they did a private workout with Rosen yesterday. It would also be smart to let the world know you don't want a QB if you really do because it may affect the way the Browns pick. For example, if the Browns covet Barkley and dreamed of pairing Barkley with a Rookie QB to reincarnate the 90's Cowboys, then maybe it forces the Browns to draft Barkley 1 thus giving the Giants their 1st choice at QB. Or...maybe the Giants are as leaky as always and people just know what they are thinking.
In addition, while you state that everyone that wanted to move on from Eli was fired, I remember it was Mara that had a part in the Eli benching. At least by his own words he felt that it was time to look at the other QBs on the roster to see what they had.
Finally, while there is risk to drafting a QB, there is great risk to not drafting one. The evidence does not paint Eli's future in a favorable light. While he may rebound into a QB that we can contend with, he really hasn't been the dominant player we knew since mid way through 2012. That's not to say he hasn't had some good statistical years, but i think you know what i mean. He may look great with the new regime and have renaissance, but if he doesn't and the Giants passed on a QB, there will be a significant backlash. If Eli struggles and Webb is nothing more than a standard 3rd round, while even 2 of the rookie QBs look promising (i say 2 since we have the 2 pick) i can see Gettleman getting a lot of heat in year 1.
Just some thoughts. I have honestly no idea what they will do and Barkley is tempting. (Although i do feel strongly that taking Chubb if Barkley is not there is really not maximizing the value of the awful season we just had).
Barkley could pad Eli's stats with 1000+ yds, 80 catches catching high percentage passes in the flats. Not to mention the effect he has on playaction.
It makes no sense for them not to draft the QB they want. If they pass on a QB, the best they could do is 3rd choice and if they do that it shows they don't know what they are doing. The Bills had Taylor and gave up on him because he is not a top tier QB. The Browns then gave up on Kiser, so they have to take a QB.
They don't need more picks, they need to make the right picks. Pick the best QB at 1, maybe the Giants take Barkley but that will still leaves them Chubb or Nelson. Why would they gamble? If you are taking a QB in the 1st round you pick the one you like the most at 1 and don't look back. Picking at 4 could potentially leave them the 4th best QB and they have been there before. It's not out of the question they land the top QB and still have their choice of Barkley, Nelson and Chubb at 4.
I'm on record as saying I would take the QB. But I don't think the Giants are going to do that. I think they want Barkley and if he is isn't there, they will draft Chubb or Nelson.
Have you asked the coaches or scouts or any professional in any team what they think of Barkley? None of us know what these people think about Barkley or anybody.
We have already heard from numerous ones of what they think of him.
Right now they are guaranteed either any QB they want + Barkley/Chubb (one or both will be there at #4) or Barkley #1 and still have one of the top 3 QBs. The second scenario is less likely after the Jets traded up to 3. Trading back,
This may be off the wall but I have a sneaky suspicion that the Jets are going to take Barkley after Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 ..... why did they acquire Teddy Bridgewater ?
They already have the 4th pick and a ton of picks in the draft. They need a QB - why would they just not draft their guy. They are the only team that can not be boxed out on a choice.
Maybe the reason everyone is talking up Barclay to the Giants (Kim Jones, etc.) is really because they are hoping the Browns will take the bait and pick Barclay at #1 knowing they can still getting one of the top 3 QBs at #4 while the Giants get the guy they really want (Darnold). Don't forget, we're talking about the Browns.
Maybe the reason everyone is talking up Barclay to the Giants (Kim Jones, etc.) is really because they are hoping the Browns will take the bait and pick Barclay at #1 knowing they can still getting one of the top 3 QBs at #4 while the Giants get the guy they really want (Darnold). Don't forget, we're talking about the Browns.
Not the same Browns.. completely different GM and personnel department..
...that would be him if he started making all these crazy deals with Cleveland's top picks. The only question is who is the "Jeff Carson" GM out there to enable him?
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will take Barkley.
I think this is looking more and more likely.
Yet just when I start to think that, I remember ... we just have no clue. lol
I'll be really pumped if the Giants grab Barkley at 2. I hope it happens. It was fun having dynamic runningbacks teams had to plan for.
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will take Barkley.
I think this is looking more and more likely.
Stupid...
that would be super depressing...you need to take advantage of the #2 pick. It has inherit value due to QB class coming out this year...if we don't take advantage of that it would be like giving away free value...might as well just ended up with the 5 or 6th pick.
We have the #2 pick, we should start acting like it.
Mara got spooked with the fans who revolted over the idea of benching Eli. He MAY think that if we draft the QB may lead to losing some of the fan base.
Another stupid management decision of true.
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Get why this would signal the Giants going Barkley? If anything hey are standing pat and taking the QB they want and think they can get.
It's not that... it's all of the leaks coming out that the Giants don't like the QBs as much as other teams do.
I guess it could be misinformation. At least I hope so. DG suggested he wanted to tighten up the leaks...and by sending out a bunch of misinformation maybe this is our way of leaking the "wrong info"
At least I hope so...
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
YEAH! Why is everyone speculating on what the NY Giants will do on a NY Giants message board!? Ridiculous!
You totally missed what I was expressing. I get a laugh @ these people who treat this stuff like gospel when it's a fluid situation that none of really are privy to know what's actually going on behind the scenes.
I havent seen one poster treat it as "Gospel" or even likely. People are just speculating about the fallout if this happened. In fact, the words I see most are "if" and "maybe."
I get to laugh at posters like you who think they have some magnified sense of perspective because they only react to things that have already happened and like to remind us that no one knows what will happen - as if the rest of us dont already know that. Sometimes it is just fun to speculate.
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It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
We all know that McAdoo wanted to get rid of Eli but from the reports it sounded like most of the FO wanted to move on. I have a hard time believing that it was just those three.
They already have the 1st and 4th pick plus three seconds. If they trade down for more picks and miss out on most of the QB's then they truly are idiotic.
Anyway, the Bills move calling the Browns could mean 1000 different things.
It could be a Pr move to scare the Giants into taking their offer, it could mean the opposite that the Giants won’t trade back and the Bills need the Browns now, it could mean that the Giants covet a QB or Barkley and won’t move until the Browns announce their intentions (which is likely on draft day). Bottom line is we don’t have the first damn clue what this means and reading tea leaves at this point is silly.
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this is a media flag planted by the Bills to pressure the Giants.
No chance the Browns trade out of the first pick.
This. You don't acquire Tyrod Taylor and trade your only potential long term QB (Kizer) if you don't plan on taking a QB.
They gave up the first pick in the third round for Taylor. I see the point about Kizer, i dont understand the point about Taylor. That is an incredibly rich price to pay - borderline incompetent, if not outright - for a stopgap guy to give you ~8 games before handing it off to the #1 overall pick.
It’s the browns.
The one thing that i have to say is Gettleman has been awesome so far in masking his intentions and that is a really good thing and if that continues he should be appreciated for doing so when not only did the last regime not do so but most teams can’t.
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Get why this would signal the Giants going Barkley? If anything hey are standing pat and taking the QB they want and think they can get.
It's not that... it's all of the leaks coming out that the Giants don't like the QBs as much as other teams do.
Eric cmon... you don’t really believe any of this shit do you? It’s make believe...
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will take Barkley.
I think this is looking more and more likely.
Makes me really question Gettleman if he does this. I don’t see a game breaker nor a game changer with Barkley. He’s flashy athletically but I want to take a chance on a player who can be a cornerstone for 10 years or more, not a guy who if we are lucky makes it to a second contract.
I am not trying to be obnoxious or mean but how much football do you watch and when you watch these games is your seeing eye dog with you when you do. Barley is not a game breaker, you are the 1st person I have ever heard say that. He is not a game changer, ask the teams and coaches who he has played against and had to game plan for him what they think. Ask the scouts that all have him ranked 1st in the draft what they think if he is a game changer. Tell me you do not want a RB with the 2nd pick fine, but to make comments like you did tells me you have never actually seen him play or you just don't know football.
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It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
Eric,
I agree with you on most fronts here. I believe the Giants should draft a QB, but i am not convinced they will. I go back and forth. They have really telegraphed that they don't like the QBs, yet on the flip side they did a private workout with Rosen yesterday. It would also be smart to let the world know you don't want a QB if you really do because it may affect the way the Browns pick. For example, if the Browns covet Barkley and dreamed of pairing Barkley with a Rookie QB to reincarnate the 90's Cowboys, then maybe it forces the Browns to draft Barkley 1 thus giving the Giants their 1st choice at QB. Or...maybe the Giants are as leaky as always and people just know what they are thinking.
In addition, while you state that everyone that wanted to move on from Eli was fired, I remember it was Mara that had a part in the Eli benching. At least by his own words he felt that it was time to look at the other QBs on the roster to see what they had.
Finally, while there is risk to drafting a QB, there is great risk to not drafting one. The evidence does not paint Eli's future in a favorable light. While he may rebound into a QB that we can contend with, he really hasn't been the dominant player we knew since mid way through 2012. That's not to say he hasn't had some good statistical years, but i think you know what i mean. He may look great with the new regime and have renaissance, but if he doesn't and the Giants passed on a QB, there will be a significant backlash. If Eli struggles and Webb is nothing more than a standard 3rd round, while even 2 of the rookie QBs look promising (i say 2 since we have the 2 pick) i can see Gettleman getting a lot of heat in year 1.
Just some thoughts. I have honestly no idea what they will do and Barkley is tempting. (Although i do feel strongly that taking Chubb if Barkley is not there is really not maximizing the value of the awful season we just had).
I'm not saying all of the dump Eli guys were those three (or even if they were all supportive of that). I'm merely suggesting that is a possibility. McAdoo seemed ready to move on. Mara? Who knows? He was conspicuously absent the day the announcement was made to bench him. Then they backtracked after the outrage. I find it very doubtful he wasn't on board initially.
All i know is that Reese along with basically every Giants coach went to Floyd's pro day. Everyone on earth knew they wanted him at #10. Gettleman hasn't done anything close to that with showing his hand.
They draft their QB, and if Barkley gets taken by the Giants, they trade out of #4.
I agree. It makes much more sense to me for them to trade their #4 than the #1. At 1 they'd get their QB, and could take the big haul that's being floated round from the Bills for the #4.
Then if DG doesn't want a QB, I could see him trading the 2 to Buffalo for their 4 and next year's 1. QBs go 1-2-3, and the Giants have their pick of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson at 4.
Hell, they could turn around and swap the 4 to Denver if the Broncos wanted to go for a QB and DG could still get one of those guys. Huge win/win for DG and the Giants if it even plays out close to this IMO.
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will take Barkley.
I think this is looking more and more likely.
Makes me really question Gettleman if he does this. I don’t see a game breaker nor a game changer with Barkley. He’s flashy athletically but I want to take a chance on a player who can be a cornerstone for 10 years or more, not a guy who if we are lucky makes it to a second contract.
I am not trying to be obnoxious or mean but how much football do you watch and when you watch these games is your seeing eye dog with you when you do. Barley is not a game breaker, you are the 1st person I have ever heard say that. He is not a game changer, ask the teams and coaches who he has played against and had to game plan for him what they think. Ask the scouts that all have him ranked 1st in the draft what they think if he is a game changer. Tell me you do not want a RB with the 2nd pick fine, but to make comments like you did tells me you have never actually seen him play or you just don't know football.
Your conduct is yet again a problem and commentary is wholly unproductive. This is a board where we are allowed to post our opinion. Lay off the personal insults or expect to be banned very quickly. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen your drivel on this board going after people.
I’ve watched a ton of Penn St football the last two years. I love the kid personally and I’m entitled to my opinion in how I see him translating to the NFL.
Scouts and teams miss on players almost as much as we do as fans. I don’t intend that to be a slight towards Sy, who does a fantastic job and is talented at what he does, but if I had ten bucks for every time some players was can’t miss or a game changer and then whiffed I could probably retire right now.
That's the ideal scenario for me.
Your scenario of the Bills trading to 4 would assure Barkley to the Giants if the Giants traded back to 4. Same for Nelson if they're leading more towards him. Either way, DG gets his guy while getting more picks.
I have not the slightest clue what he is going to do, and nothing in terms of actions or even some of the half-hearted opinions by Schwartz that the Giants are not going to pick a qb, have convinced me otherwise. Maybe it’s because I can’t think Gettleman can be so stupid as to to pick Barkley. I have much more faith in him, so maybe it’s my bias showing and he hasnt been as good at masking his intention as I thought.
Darnold's pro day begins in 5 minutes ...
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It was reported last year several times that there were many in the organization that wanted to move on from Eli because they were convinced that his best days were behind him. Now they are in position to take a potential franchise QB without having to trade up and they might take Barkley to make another run with Eli?? If this is actually true then I believe that it proves that Mara is the one calling the shots and unfortunately for us he is becoming one of those meddling owners.
Those people may have been fired (McAdoo, Reese, Ross).
Eric,
I agree with you on most fronts here. I believe the Giants should draft a QB, but i am not convinced they will. I go back and forth. They have really telegraphed that they don't like the QBs, yet on the flip side they did a private workout with Rosen yesterday. It would also be smart to let the world know you don't want a QB if you really do because it may affect the way the Browns pick. For example, if the Browns covet Barkley and dreamed of pairing Barkley with a Rookie QB to reincarnate the 90's Cowboys, then maybe it forces the Browns to draft Barkley 1 thus giving the Giants their 1st choice at QB. Or...maybe the Giants are as leaky as always and people just know what they are thinking.
In addition, while you state that everyone that wanted to move on from Eli was fired, I remember it was Mara that had a part in the Eli benching. At least by his own words he felt that it was time to look at the other QBs on the roster to see what they had.
Finally, while there is risk to drafting a QB, there is great risk to not drafting one. The evidence does not paint Eli's future in a favorable light. While he may rebound into a QB that we can contend with, he really hasn't been the dominant player we knew since mid way through 2012. That's not to say he hasn't had some good statistical years, but i think you know what i mean. He may look great with the new regime and have renaissance, but if he doesn't and the Giants passed on a QB, there will be a significant backlash. If Eli struggles and Webb is nothing more than a standard 3rd round, while even 2 of the rookie QBs look promising (i say 2 since we have the 2 pick) i can see Gettleman getting a lot of heat in year 1.
Just some thoughts. I have honestly no idea what they will do and Barkley is tempting. (Although i do feel strongly that taking Chubb if Barkley is not there is really not maximizing the value of the awful season we just had).
Barkley could pad Eli's stats with 1000+ yds, 80 catches catching high percentage passes in the flats. Not to mention the effect he has on playaction.
...no matter what happens, it's getting real damn exciting thinking about all of the possible trades that may yet unfold!
And the Draft is still over a month away.
I think come Draft night, BBI is gonna need five dozen extra hamsters to keep the server up.
They don't need more picks, they need to make the right picks. Pick the best QB at 1, maybe the Giants take Barkley but that will still leaves them Chubb or Nelson. Why would they gamble? If you are taking a QB in the 1st round you pick the one you like the most at 1 and don't look back. Picking at 4 could potentially leave them the 4th best QB and they have been there before. It's not out of the question they land the top QB and still have their choice of Barkley, Nelson and Chubb at 4.
We have already heard from numerous ones of what they think of him.
Not Taking the top pick, especially at 1 for the last 32, would be Cowardly and Incompetent
Not the same Browns.. completely different GM and personnel department..