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NFT: Knicks: Horny a likely goner?

DanMetroMan : 3/21/2018 12:10 pm
Jeff Hornacek has one year left on his contract, but good luck finding league observers who believe he will survive to see it out.

The former Knicks guard Mark Jackson keeps coming up as a hot name to succeed Hornacek, amid a growing belief the Knicks' new front-office chief - Scott Perry - will want to install his own hand-picked choice heading into next season.

It's difficult to fault Hornacek for much of the chaos that has engulfed the Knicks during his two seasons in charge. But there's no avoiding the fact he was a Phil Jackson selection, which could well doom him now that the organization seems intent on cutting every non-Porzingian tie to the Phil era as possible.

Another name to file away here: The former Cleveland coach David Blatt has a longstanding relationship with the Knicks' president Steve Mills dating to their days as Princeton teammates. You wonder if that'll finally earn Blatt his first meaningful look from an N.B.A. franchise since the Cavaliers fired him in January 2016 while sporting a record of 30-11.
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2018 4:09 pm : link
Trae young says he would love to be drafted by Knicks and would be a blessing..
RE: RE: RE: how the Phil Jackson legacy continues to grow.......  
Victor in CT : 3/21/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13878341 Enzo said:
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what a disaster



It's truly amazing how it all unfolded. Phil went from the godly NBA figure that was going to bring the Knicks back relevance only to turn into an absolute joke. Only on the Knicks can one of the most prominent figures in the NBA with 11 rings be turned into a laughing stock.


eh, Phil's lack of success as an exec was first guessed by many. He had zero direct experience building a roster, running a draft, executing trades, negotiating contracts, or managing the cap. And then he compounded that by agreeing to retain Mills, an empty suit who's even more unqualified than him, in a prominent role.


you're right Enzo. Me included. He had Jerry West and Jerry Krause doing all that. He only had to coach stacked rosters. It's a different skill set that very few make the transition to from coach to successful executive.
Enes Kanter at $18M  
TheVette : 3/21/2018 5:04 pm : link
...pass. He's proven to be just good enough to lose with. Team needs to continue to draft in in the top 10, and figure out a way to lure a few stars to jump start this franchise. Spending $18M/yr on Enes Kanter is not gonna cut it. Just like $18M on Noah and $18M on THJ (see a pattern here?)

Go out and hire a coach who can actually lure REAL talent, else this team will continue to go no where fast
Anyone on this board  
Earl the goat : 3/21/2018 5:45 pm : link
Think Rick Pitino should be the coach
One of the best coaches in history of college basketball
Aside from the past scandal I think it would be a home run for the Knicks
RE: Anyone on this board  
steve in ky : 3/21/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13878570 Earl the goat said:
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Think Rick Pitino should be the coach
One of the best coaches in history of college basketball
Aside from the past scandal I think it would be a home run for the Knicks


Other than one season early on with the Knicks he never was very successful coaching at the NBA level. Not sure he would be a great option for this team at this time.
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DanMetroMan : 3/21/2018 7:08 pm : link


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Here's a fun Ben Simmons stat:

If he played for:

IND
TOR
NYK
LAC
MEM
ATL
MIA
CHA
UTA
ORL

...he would already be the franchise leader in triple-doubles.

(h/t nba/r/reddit)
If phil did nothing else different here  
djm : 3/21/2018 7:44 pm : link
But didnt give Noah that deal Id be fine with his tenure. His unprofessional rants on Twitter were bad but didnt really harm the franchise long term and I cant kill him for missing on a few trades or second round picks. KP draft was a boon. I just wish we could take back that Noah deal. Oh well... just pray the new regime doesnt do anything stupid and they need to hit some doubles in the next two drafts if they dont hit hrs. Then they need to sign the lucky fa or two in 2019.
Agree that the Noah deal overwhelms everything.  
bceagle05 : 3/21/2018 7:58 pm : link
Lance was bad too, but not crippling in any way. Lee was fine, O'Quinn was fine, Rose trade was an OK gamble, and obviously KP was great. We'll see about Frank. Everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Does Wally ever stop talking about himself?  
bceagle05 : 3/21/2018 8:04 pm : link
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Mark Jackson  
adambear : 3/21/2018 8:10 pm : link
is terrible and that wouls be so Knicks and bad
I would resign Beasley if he is cheap  
nygiants16 : 3/21/2018 8:22 pm : link
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No one else in the NBA would have given Noah  
arniefez : 3/21/2018 8:45 pm : link
2 years let alone 4 years and certainly not at 18 million a year. The NY Dolan's replaced that guy with a guy who gave Hardaway Jr 71 million. If it was fiction no one would believe it.
Hornacek said the other day  
bceagle05 : 3/21/2018 9:05 pm : link
that Timmy, Kanter and Lance are the three guys who show a "winning mentality" on a nightly basis. Timmy and Kanter don't play a bit of defense. What a ridiculous comment.
Down 99-77 at the end of the third.  
bceagle05 : 3/21/2018 9:14 pm : link
Frank has played seven fucking minutes. Fuck Hornacek.
Timmy plays some defense  
djm : 3/21/2018 9:15 pm : link
As long as hes playing I can live with him. The injury not only sucked for those games he missed but it took him a while to regain consistency. He is not a bad player when going well.
I love when people RIP hardaway  
nygiants16 : 3/21/2018 9:22 pm : link
He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...

I don't think it is coincidence that Porzingis started to struggle when hardaway went out...
I do not mind  
TommyWiseau : 3/21/2018 9:42 pm : link
Hardaway at all, he is a pretty decent 2. Not great but not bad by any stretch. As for Kanter, I love the guy but not at 18 per. Maybe at 12 per which he will never go for
I hate the fucking nets  
nygiants16 : 3/21/2018 10:03 pm : link
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RE: I do not mind  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13878913 TommyWiseau said:
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Hardaway at all, he is a pretty decent 2. Not great but not bad by any stretch. As for Kanter, I love the guy but not at 18 per. Maybe at 12 per which he will never go for


He won't see $12 per. More like sub $10. Don't want him on a multi year deal. Doesn't make sense in NY.
I don't realy follow the NBA that closely anymore, especially since  
Victor in CT : 3/22/2018 9:56 am : link
New York ceased having an NBA franchise, so my question is: what did Mark Jackson do that he is considered a problem by so many people? His record seems to be pretty good on the surface.
Whether you like Hardaway or you don't  
arniefez : 3/22/2018 10:29 am : link
Whether he's playing defense or he isn't is not the point. The point is once again the NY Dolan's gave a player a contract at a price no other team in the NBA would EVER consider. It's what Dolan does and it's why there's no hope and there will never be any hope as long as he's alive.
RE: Whether you like Hardaway or you don't  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13879528 arniefez said:
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Whether he's playing defense or he isn't is not the point. The point is once again the NY Dolan's gave a player a contract at a price no other team in the NBA would EVER consider. It's what Dolan does and it's why there's no hope and there will never be any hope as long as he's alive.


Yes no hope, maybe do us all a favor then and go become a nets fan,thanks
RE: If phil did nothing else different here  
TyreeHelmet : 3/22/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13878740 djm said:
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But didnt give Noah that deal Id be fine with his tenure. His unprofessional rants on Twitter were bad but didnt really harm the franchise long term and I cant kill him for missing on a few trades or second round picks. KP draft was a boon. I just wish we could take back that Noah deal. Oh well... just pray the new regime doesnt do anything stupid and they need to hit some doubles in the next two drafts if they dont hit hrs. Then they need to sign the lucky fa or two in 2019.


I agree with this. I think the Knicks without Noah and Hardaway on the books would be viewed a whole lot differently.
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giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13880043 TyreeHelmet said:
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But didnt give Noah that deal Id be fine with his tenure. His unprofessional rants on Twitter were bad but didnt really harm the franchise long term and I cant kill him for missing on a few trades or second round picks. KP draft was a boon. I just wish we could take back that Noah deal. Oh well... just pray the new regime doesnt do anything stupid and they need to hit some doubles in the next two drafts if they dont hit hrs. Then they need to sign the lucky fa or two in 2019.



I agree with this. I think the Knicks without Noah and Hardaway on the books would be viewed a whole lot differently.


Considering the deals older vet SGs have gotten (Bazemore, Eric Gordon, Fournier), THJR's deal isn't that bad. If anything, Lee's deal is becoming a burden as he has no long term future and teams aren't desparate to trade for average vets with a hot buyout market each year.
Tim Hardaway is the 16th highest paid SG in the NBA.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2018 12:12 pm : link
This isn't the problem.
Also the Melo deal  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:19 pm : link
looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.
RE: Also the Melo deal  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13880186 giantsfan44ab said:
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.


Bulls 2nd round pick
Yeah, the Melo deal was just damage control I guess.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:23 pm : link
Sounds like Mills was ready to take back Ryan Anderson's contract before Perry came on board and slammed the brakes. Maybe that Chicago second rounder will turn into something - that's one reason to get on board with Chicago's tank. Pick #33 might be a whole lot better than pick number #38.
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giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:25 pm : link
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.



Bulls 2nd round pick


Is a 2nd round pick worth locking up a potential max slot for? There's like an 80%+ chance that 2nd round pick doesn't amount to anything, less than 5% we get a starter probably.
RE: Also the Melo deal  
Enzo : 3/22/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13880186 giantsfan44ab said:
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.

I realize they were never going to get a pile of picks and/or young guys, but it seems like they prioritized "win now" players in the return. Giving themselves a self imposed deadline (media day) was definitely dumb.
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nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:29 pm : link
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.



Bulls 2nd round pick



Is a 2nd round pick worth locking up a potential max slot for? There's like an 80%+ chance that 2nd round pick doesn't amount to anything, less than 5% we get a starter probably.


They are not signing anyone this summer anyway..
Melo has a salary on the books next year too  
Heisenberg : 3/22/2018 12:30 pm : link
there was no max contract avail with him on the team either.
RE: I love when people RIP hardaway  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13878877 nygiants16 said:
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He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...


He's a shooting guard who shoots 31% on threes and plays no defense. He's terrible.
RE: Tim Hardaway is the 16th highest paid SG in the NBA.  
Enzo : 3/22/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13880152 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This isn't the problem.

in a vacuum, maybe. But was his contract the right move for this particular team given the realities of this roster and how close (or how far) they are away from contending? Or even being decent?
RE: Melo has a salary on the books next year too  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13880224 Heisenberg said:
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there was no max contract avail with him on the team either.


There's no chance he opts in though right?
Yeah I'd hate to go down the Hardaway rabbit hole  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:37 pm : link
but - to me - timing was more of a problem than money. Mills was campaigning for the role of president and needed to hit on something to impress Jimmy Dolan. Also, we were sold on a rebuilding plan and had just drafted two guards a couple of weeks earlier, with Ron Baker and Courtney Lee already under contract. Sign a vet like Jack and go forward with that group. No need to pile on a huge contract at that time. I just hope we don't compound the probably by force a SF pick in this year's draft if there are better guard options available.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Also the Melo deal  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:38 pm : link
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They are not signing anyone this summer anyway..


They'll be equally as shitty next year too so what does the year matter? If another team poaches Randle from the Lakers ill be fuming
RE: Yeah I'd hate to go down the Hardaway rabbit hole  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13880250 bceagle05 said:
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but - to me - timing was more of a problem than money. Mills was campaigning for the role of president and needed to hit on something to impress Jimmy Dolan. Also, we were sold on a rebuilding plan and had just drafted two guards a couple of weeks earlier, with Ron Baker and Courtney Lee already under contract. Sign a vet like Jack and go forward with that group. No need to pile on a huge contract at that time. I just hope we don't compound the probably by force a SF pick in this year's draft if there are better guard options available.


Which guard options? I guess Young and SGA? I probably take the Bridgeses over Young.
I'd take either of the Bridges or Knox over Young. Not a Young fan.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:47 pm : link
I'd take Mikal over any of the guards. I'd probably take SGA over Knox or Miles Bridges. But I flip-flopped a hundred times last year before hoping for Monk on draft night - so what do I know? Looking forward to watching Kentucky, hopefully for another couple of games at least.
Long story short, Mikal and SGA  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:48 pm : link
are the two guys I like the most at the moment, assuming we don't move up.
RE: RE: I love when people RIP hardaway  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13880231 Greg from LI said:
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He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...



He's a shooting guard who shoots 31% on threes and plays no defense. He's terrible.


So is DeRozan terrible? Shoots 30 percent from 3.
RE: RE: Tim Hardaway is the 16th highest paid SG in the NBA.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2018 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13880233 Enzo said:
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This isn't the problem.


in a vacuum, maybe. But was his contract the right move for this particular team given the realities of this roster and how close (or how far) they are away from contending? Or even being decent?


I'm all for tanking. But you have on the roster the kind of player that you tank in the hopes of getting, so you can't just take a flamethrower to the roster and be a 10 win team for years until you win a few lotteries, or else you lose the young building block that's supposed to be part of the long term solution because he's sick of losing games and leaves for a contender.

Not saying I think TH was a brilliant signing, but he's young, he's paid about what he's worth according to the league, and he can be part of a solution. The money only matters once you realize that he is what that contract represents: a midrange-quality SG.
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Enzo : 3/22/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13880297 nygiants16 said:
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He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...



He's a shooting guard who shoots 31% on threes and plays no defense. He's terrible.



So is DeRozan terrible? Shoots 30 percent from 3.

great point! Let's compare him to Dwyane Wade while we're at it!
Derozan at 25 has the exact same stats as hardaway  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:55 pm : link
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Hah. Hahaha.  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2018 1:06 pm : link
First of all, DeRozan is shooting 32% this year as opposed to Hardaway's 31%. Second of all, Hardaway takes twice as many threes as DeRozan. It's just not a big part of DeRozan's game.

You defend Hardaway Jr as vigorously as if you were Hardaway Sr. It's kind of hilarious how much effort you expend pumping up such a mediocre at best player.
RE: Long story short, Mikal and SGA  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13880295 bceagle05 said:
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are the two guys I like the most at the moment, assuming we don't move up.


Im with you there 100%. Betting on UK guys in the NBA is as safe of a bet as you can make.
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nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13880359 Greg from LI said:
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First of all, DeRozan is shooting 32% this year as opposed to Hardaway's 31%. Second of all, Hardaway takes twice as many threes as DeRozan. It's just not a big part of DeRozan's game.

You defend Hardaway Jr as vigorously as if you were Hardaway Sr. It's kind of hilarious how much effort you expend pumping up such a mediocre at best player.


Greg you only hate him because his last name is hardaway...

If it was any other player and he gave you 18 4 and 3 you would be happy..

Fact is he was playing very well with kp as the 2nd option but you hate him so much you just fail to admit it..

Frustrating part of THJR  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 1:14 pm : link
is that he's so incredibly efficient inside the arc. If he cut down his 3s by 50% and took those shots inside the arc he'd be an efficient 20 ppg scorer. It's just frustrating because he's not even as bad of a 3 point shooter as his numbers suggest. That 7-8 game stretch when he returned from injury tanked his 3 point %. He shot 9-54. Take that away and he's around 34% on the season. Not spectacular but at the rate he chucks those 3s its not awful.
Does hardaway take to many 3s and need to work on defense?  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:15 pm : link
Absolutely but to say he is terrible is just not being fair...

Another reason why we need a better coaching staff.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 1:17 pm : link
Guys like Hardaway and Ntilikina have bad habits that could be corrected with the right guidance and discipline.
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