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NFT: Knicks: Horny a likely goner?

DanMetroMan : 3/21/2018 12:10 pm
Jeff Hornacek has one year left on his contract, but good luck finding league observers who believe he will survive to see it out.

The former Knicks guard Mark Jackson keeps coming up as a hot name to succeed Hornacek, amid a growing belief the Knicks' new front-office chief - Scott Perry - will want to install his own hand-picked choice heading into next season.

It's difficult to fault Hornacek for much of the chaos that has engulfed the Knicks during his two seasons in charge. But there's no avoiding the fact he was a Phil Jackson selection, which could well doom him now that the organization seems intent on cutting every non-Porzingian tie to the Phil era as possible.

Another name to file away here: The former Cleveland coach David Blatt has a longstanding relationship with the Knicks' president Steve Mills dating to their days as Princeton teammates. You wonder if that'll finally earn Blatt his first meaningful look from an N.B.A. franchise since the Cavaliers fired him in January 2016 while sporting a record of 30-11.
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Also the Melo deal  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:19 pm : link
looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.
RE: Also the Melo deal  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13880186 giantsfan44ab said:
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.


Bulls 2nd round pick
Yeah, the Melo deal was just damage control I guess.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:23 pm : link
Sounds like Mills was ready to take back Ryan Anderson's contract before Perry came on board and slammed the brakes. Maybe that Chicago second rounder will turn into something - that's one reason to get on board with Chicago's tank. Pick #33 might be a whole lot better than pick number #38.
RE: RE: Also the Melo deal  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:25 pm : link
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.



Bulls 2nd round pick


Is a 2nd round pick worth locking up a potential max slot for? There's like an 80%+ chance that 2nd round pick doesn't amount to anything, less than 5% we get a starter probably.
RE: Also the Melo deal  
Enzo : 3/22/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13880186 giantsfan44ab said:
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.

I realize they were never going to get a pile of picks and/or young guys, but it seems like they prioritized "win now" players in the return. Giving themselves a self imposed deadline (media day) was definitely dumb.
RE: RE: RE: Also the Melo deal  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:29 pm : link
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looks dumb as shit now. If Kanter doesn't opt out, then what the hell did the Melo deal do positively? I guess we get a trial on Mudiay, but he will have to just blow everyone out of the water to warrant an extension.



Bulls 2nd round pick



Is a 2nd round pick worth locking up a potential max slot for? There's like an 80%+ chance that 2nd round pick doesn't amount to anything, less than 5% we get a starter probably.


They are not signing anyone this summer anyway..
Melo has a salary on the books next year too  
Heisenberg : 3/22/2018 12:30 pm : link
there was no max contract avail with him on the team either.
RE: I love when people RIP hardaway  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13878877 nygiants16 said:
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He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...


He's a shooting guard who shoots 31% on threes and plays no defense. He's terrible.
RE: Tim Hardaway is the 16th highest paid SG in the NBA.  
Enzo : 3/22/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13880152 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This isn't the problem.

in a vacuum, maybe. But was his contract the right move for this particular team given the realities of this roster and how close (or how far) they are away from contending? Or even being decent?
RE: Melo has a salary on the books next year too  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13880224 Heisenberg said:
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there was no max contract avail with him on the team either.


There's no chance he opts in though right?
Yeah I'd hate to go down the Hardaway rabbit hole  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:37 pm : link
but - to me - timing was more of a problem than money. Mills was campaigning for the role of president and needed to hit on something to impress Jimmy Dolan. Also, we were sold on a rebuilding plan and had just drafted two guards a couple of weeks earlier, with Ron Baker and Courtney Lee already under contract. Sign a vet like Jack and go forward with that group. No need to pile on a huge contract at that time. I just hope we don't compound the probably by force a SF pick in this year's draft if there are better guard options available.
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giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:38 pm : link
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They are not signing anyone this summer anyway..


They'll be equally as shitty next year too so what does the year matter? If another team poaches Randle from the Lakers ill be fuming
RE: Yeah I'd hate to go down the Hardaway rabbit hole  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13880250 bceagle05 said:
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but - to me - timing was more of a problem than money. Mills was campaigning for the role of president and needed to hit on something to impress Jimmy Dolan. Also, we were sold on a rebuilding plan and had just drafted two guards a couple of weeks earlier, with Ron Baker and Courtney Lee already under contract. Sign a vet like Jack and go forward with that group. No need to pile on a huge contract at that time. I just hope we don't compound the probably by force a SF pick in this year's draft if there are better guard options available.


Which guard options? I guess Young and SGA? I probably take the Bridgeses over Young.
I'd take either of the Bridges or Knox over Young. Not a Young fan.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:47 pm : link
I'd take Mikal over any of the guards. I'd probably take SGA over Knox or Miles Bridges. But I flip-flopped a hundred times last year before hoping for Monk on draft night - so what do I know? Looking forward to watching Kentucky, hopefully for another couple of games at least.
Long story short, Mikal and SGA  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 12:48 pm : link
are the two guys I like the most at the moment, assuming we don't move up.
RE: RE: I love when people RIP hardaway  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:48 pm : link
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He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...



He's a shooting guard who shoots 31% on threes and plays no defense. He's terrible.


So is DeRozan terrible? Shoots 30 percent from 3.
RE: RE: Tim Hardaway is the 16th highest paid SG in the NBA.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2018 12:53 pm : link
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This isn't the problem.


in a vacuum, maybe. But was his contract the right move for this particular team given the realities of this roster and how close (or how far) they are away from contending? Or even being decent?


I'm all for tanking. But you have on the roster the kind of player that you tank in the hopes of getting, so you can't just take a flamethrower to the roster and be a 10 win team for years until you win a few lotteries, or else you lose the young building block that's supposed to be part of the long term solution because he's sick of losing games and leaves for a contender.

Not saying I think TH was a brilliant signing, but he's young, he's paid about what he's worth according to the league, and he can be part of a solution. The money only matters once you realize that he is what that contract represents: a midrange-quality SG.
RE: RE: RE: I love when people RIP hardaway  
Enzo : 3/22/2018 12:54 pm : link
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He is averaging 18 4 and 3, he was playing very well and so was the team and then he got hurt, he was playing very well as the 2nd guy to porzingis...



He's a shooting guard who shoots 31% on threes and plays no defense. He's terrible.



So is DeRozan terrible? Shoots 30 percent from 3.

great point! Let's compare him to Dwyane Wade while we're at it!
Derozan at 25 has the exact same stats as hardaway  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 12:55 pm : link
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Hah. Hahaha.  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2018 1:06 pm : link
First of all, DeRozan is shooting 32% this year as opposed to Hardaway's 31%. Second of all, Hardaway takes twice as many threes as DeRozan. It's just not a big part of DeRozan's game.

You defend Hardaway Jr as vigorously as if you were Hardaway Sr. It's kind of hilarious how much effort you expend pumping up such a mediocre at best player.
RE: Long story short, Mikal and SGA  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 1:08 pm : link
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are the two guys I like the most at the moment, assuming we don't move up.


Im with you there 100%. Betting on UK guys in the NBA is as safe of a bet as you can make.
RE: Hah. Hahaha.  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13880359 Greg from LI said:
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First of all, DeRozan is shooting 32% this year as opposed to Hardaway's 31%. Second of all, Hardaway takes twice as many threes as DeRozan. It's just not a big part of DeRozan's game.

You defend Hardaway Jr as vigorously as if you were Hardaway Sr. It's kind of hilarious how much effort you expend pumping up such a mediocre at best player.


Greg you only hate him because his last name is hardaway...

If it was any other player and he gave you 18 4 and 3 you would be happy..

Fact is he was playing very well with kp as the 2nd option but you hate him so much you just fail to admit it..

Frustrating part of THJR  
giantsfan44ab : 3/22/2018 1:14 pm : link
is that he's so incredibly efficient inside the arc. If he cut down his 3s by 50% and took those shots inside the arc he'd be an efficient 20 ppg scorer. It's just frustrating because he's not even as bad of a 3 point shooter as his numbers suggest. That 7-8 game stretch when he returned from injury tanked his 3 point %. He shot 9-54. Take that away and he's around 34% on the season. Not spectacular but at the rate he chucks those 3s its not awful.
Does hardaway take to many 3s and need to work on defense?  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:15 pm : link
Absolutely but to say he is terrible is just not being fair...

Another reason why we need a better coaching staff.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 1:17 pm : link
Guys like Hardaway and Ntilikina have bad habits that could be corrected with the right guidance and discipline.
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