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Picking Barkley is contingent on signing Beckham

kinard : 3/21/2018 12:10 pm
... it would appear that a Barkley/Beckham/Engram combo would be absolutely lethal (particularly with a seasoned veteran QB and a good left tackle). However, if the Giants really are unsure about committing a big contract to Beckham, that would make me re-think picking Barkley at 2, and then, consequently, pick the best QB or trade down for Nelson and some picks and start the whole rebuilding thing in earnest.

That being said, considering the signing of a 30 year old LT along with giving a nod to a battle-tested 37 year old QB, the Giants should be all in to compete for the playoffs and beyond for the next two years or so. Its not as far-fetched as a lot of people think considering that this was a team that many had Super Bowl aspirations only 7 months ago.

If Barkley comes as advertised (no reason to believe that he shouldn't), putting him with a talent like Beckham and a real good player like Engram (not to mention what it would open up for Sheppard) would arguably be the best group of skill players in the NFL. But (as it always seems these days) the key here is Beckham. If you're not committed to ride with him, all bets are off and Barkley becomes part of a long term re-build and, I agree, its probably not best expenditure of the #2 pick.

Crazy as it seems, the Giants may have a chance to put something really special together here. But its all based on swallowing hard and committing to Beckham. If you ready to do that, then draft a possibly transcendent RB, put with him the user-talented WR and give Eli (who still has a few bullets left) a chance here to orchestrate the offense.

Carpe Diem. Take the shot now while you have this chance. It may mot come again for a while....
Solid post  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 12:13 pm : link
And agree. Keep Beckham, get Barkley, and the 2 deep defense that has stymied us over the past couple of years becomes Barkley's playground.
How Bad Are the Giants?  
Jim in NH : 3/21/2018 12:13 pm : link
" Its not as far-fetched as a lot of people think considering that this was a team that many had Super Bowl aspirations only 7 months ago"

Fan is short for "fanatic".

I'm not sure that many people (here) had "Super Bowl aspirations" for this team seven months ago means a whole lot.
..they stack the box  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 12:16 pm : link
We destroy with our pass game. Also Barkley is excellent as a receiver out of the backfield. But all hinges on Beckham being there. Otherwise they stack up against Barkley since our pass game scares nobody
Yes we sucked, but that's what happens when you  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 12:19 pm : link
Can't block or run. Add a terrible coaching staff.

Change that and we are a completely different team. Suddenly we get production out of our skilled receivers
RE: ..they stack the box  
FranknWeezer : 3/21/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13877634 Tim in VA said:
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We destroy with our pass game. Also Barkley is excellent as a receiver out of the backfield. But all hinges on Beckham being there. Otherwise they stack up against Barkley since our pass game scares nobody


Yep, and we currently have the equivalent of a WR3 built out of popsicle sticks and school paste.
CMB on WFAN is proposing the exact opposite.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/21/2018 12:21 pm : link
They're saying draft Barkley and trade Beckham to acquire another high 1st round pick this year.
That's a  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 12:26 pm : link
terrible idea
The point of the draft is, if you are super freaking lucky  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 12:27 pm : link
to find a Beckham
Barkley will rape NFL defenses  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/21/2018 12:30 pm : link
2 deep man? Barkley will out run a LB and truck any DB (OK he's not a traditional lower your shoulder power back, has tremendous balance and core strength and bouncea off tackoes). Cover 2 zone to protect the flats? Then OBJ and Engram will molest you in the seams and options. Stack the box? Obj 1 on 1 on a corner sounds good.
Yes  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 12:35 pm : link
This thread gets me excited for the potential dominance to come
There's a window of opportunity here..  
kinard : 3/21/2018 12:44 pm : link
... why even bring back Eli, if the plan isn't to surround him with some great skill players. Do you want to put some fear into the Eagles? Throw Barkley/Beckham/Engram at them. Especially with a proven QB making calls at the line. That will keep those fuckers up at night figuring out how to deal with that group.

But if Beckham isn't part of the equation, then pick your QB of the future (or stockpile picks hoping you find some good guys) and set yourself up to contend in 3-5 years...if it all works out, of course...
RE: CMB on WFAN is proposing the exact opposite.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13877644 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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They're saying draft Barkley and trade Beckham to acquire another high 1st round pick this year.


Sure, why not. Yeah Odell is arguably the best WR in the sport but a high first round pick could be anything! How exciting to trade young, proven talent for a lottery ticket.
Stop  
Rong5611 : 3/21/2018 12:47 pm : link
We need a QB. I love Barkley, but we need to think about the long-term health of the franchise.

Do we really think placing the ball in Davis Webb's hands after this season, Eli's last with us?

Take one of the QB's while we have an opportunity to get one?
Mike Lombardi  
Go Terps : 3/21/2018 12:49 pm : link
Last week on his podcast said that he would try to trade Beckham, as the Giants are in a rebuild and could use as many picks as possible in that effort.

It's not as crazy an idea as many make it out to be.
RE: Stop  
BigBlueinDE : 3/21/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13877743 Rong5611 said:
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We need a QB. I love Barkley, but we need to think about the long-term health of the franchise.

Do we really think placing the ball in Davis Webb's hands after this season, Eli's last with us?

Take one of the QB's while we have an opportunity to get one?


The question is are any of these QB's worth the 2nd pick?

why? Barkely gets a rookie scale contract. THe GIants can control  
Victor in CT : 3/21/2018 1:05 pm : link
Beckham for 3 more years if they want to WITHOUT signing him to a long term deal by Franchising him for 2019 and 2020. With Eli coming off the books (and possibly JPP and/or Vernon) and another $10 million a year in cap increses it's doable.
RE: RE: Stop  
Victor in CT : 3/21/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13877752 BigBlueinDE said:
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In comment 13877743 Rong5611 said:


Quote:


We need a QB. I love Barkley, but we need to think about the long-term health of the franchise.

Do we really think placing the ball in Davis Webb's hands after this season, Eli's last with us?

Take one of the QB's while we have an opportunity to get one?



The question is are any of these QB's worth the 2nd pick?


That's been the question all along. It's amazing how many people here refuse to recognize it.
Franchise tag  
Go Terps : 3/21/2018 1:19 pm : link
I have a hard time seeing Beckham being OK with playing under the franchise tag.
It's like  
Tim in VA : 3/21/2018 1:21 pm : link
Giants fans want to cut bait with the only bright spots of this team, as if starting from zero is somehow going to make us better. He'll let's trade Engram and Landon Collins. We might get a few 2nd round picks. Yay
Championships are won  
CT Charlie : 3/21/2018 1:22 pm : link
at the line of scrimmage. 1-2 seconds more on offense, and 1-2 seconds less on defense will make all the difference in the passing game. And for teams who rely on running, well, even the best RB's need daylight.
RE: Franchise tag  
Victor in CT : 3/21/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13877824 Go Terps said:
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I have a hard time seeing Beckham being OK with playing under the franchise tag.


yeah but the team has all the leverage. Is he going to sit out and leave $18-20 million on the table? Cousins just did it for 2 yrs and it turned out pretty good for him, and he's average to me. Beckham's talent is elite.

Maybe he would sit out. He might be that immature/foolish. If he displayed better judgement and behavior, he might already have his long term deal sewn up.
Fans  
Dragon : 3/21/2018 2:22 pm : link
Have you so soon forgotten last years hype we signed one solid OT still need to see who the other four starters end up being. Once that happens then comes the jelling period how long will that take? Solder is coming from the AFC East to the NFC East boy is he in for a rude awaking protecting Eli. Don’t expect everything to come together in six months be lucky if they improve by years end. So many changes of personnel on offense and defense does not bode well for a 3 win limited talent team.
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