Kim Jones on WFAN said the Giants are absolutely in love with Barkley. They believe he can do it all. can line up outside as a WR in sets, can catch outta the back field, can block line OL, and of course his running.. just passing this along.
I know there is a lot of energy around the franchise QB approach, but most player rankings I have seen in terms of the BPA usually has Barkely, Chubb, or Nelson ranked consistently higher than any of the QBs.
The bottom line is if the Giants like Webb (only they can make that call), then the likelihood of the Giants taking Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb is real. They all reflect positions of need - so it not like the Giants will be drafting a guy who will not be starting and contributing immediately.
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
I love how. Everyone who pushes Barkley, just likes to ignore the fact that the Giants have a 37 yr old QB in decline. They have as big a need at QB as any team. And they don’t get a chance to pick 2 often. Better not use it on no damn RB
They're gonna remember it next year when Eli is crumbling to the turf as soon as a defender gets close and throwing at the feet of receivers when he's pressured.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks. [/quote]
A lot of that is predicated on what DG and PS think of Webb - if they like or do not like Webb, that's their call as to whether they think they need to do better at QB with the #2 pick.
or weight people differently than we do, all seem to have some sneaky ulterior motive or less than pure, objective perspective or are just plain more ignorant than we are. Is it purely ego? Is it that we cannot conceive that anyone would think differently than we do and still remain a credible person? Or is a power and control thing, where other people *must* think as we do are they will be disparaged into extinction.
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
RE: Nice to finally get away from knowing who the Giants fap to Â
to make these decisions so we have let them make them. If they do not think this is the right situation to take a QB and choose to take whomever or trade out of the spot that theirs to make. Their jobs depend on those judgements. Nobody knows for sure right now. I like that. They are both veteran successful FB guys who do their homework. Keep the faith.
points out all the ways she thinks the Giants see Barkley utilized. Saw tape of this guy throwing the FB. Like OBJ he has a very good arm and could be used in that way also.
Those big hooters were lactating about “how much love there was in that locker room for Spags.” She’s also notorious playing the injury excuse for poor play to the players she likes . So the Giants, like the rest of the NFL world, love Barkley. News flash. Now go out on the limb and tell everybody they are drafting him.
RE: Hard to imagine trading down from #2 to #3 and getting Barkley. Â
It's possible, of course - if the Jets fear that another team is eyeing the same QB they covet, and they believe the Giants are willing to trade down to #5 or lower and risk losing Barkley.
The biggest obstacle, obviously, is the Browns. If they take Barkley at #1, the whole subject is moot. If Cleveland goes QB at #1, there won't be much chance of Barkley falling past their second pick, at #4. The Jets know that, and may choose to call the Giants' bluff by staying put at #3.
Over the next few weeks, it behooves the Giants to show enormous interest in all the top QBs, plus Chubb, Nelson, Ward, James, etc.
Still a lot of time before the draft for any number of things to happen.
One being the Bills trade the big rumored haul (they supposedly would offer the Giants) to the Browns for the number 4 pick. That would put serious pressure on the Jets to trade for the 2 out of fear the Bills would be in position to if they don't.
Hell, at that point I could see the Giants cashing in and trading back to 3, and then to 4. QBs go 1-2-3, and the Giants get their guy at 4 while scoring some sweet picks.
Giants are in a prime spot to either just pick their guy at 2 or sit back, watch everyone else get antsy and wait for the offers to come in.
I like Kim and think she does a good job. I thought they should have Â
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
1) they have their #1 next year
2) what difference does it make to DG if he doesn't want a QB? I'd agree with you if he wants a QB and allows the Jets the opportunity to select one ahead of him, but if he doesn't want one, it doesn't matter. He could be wrong anyway to stay at 2, not select one, and have the Jets guy pan out, so what difference does it make if he takes a non QB at 2 or 3?
RE: I don't get why all the people who have a different view Â
or weight people differently than we do, all seem to have some sneaky ulterior motive or less than pure, objective perspective or are just plain more ignorant than we are. Is it purely ego? Is it that we cannot conceive that anyone would think differently than we do and still remain a credible person? Or is a power and control thing, where other people *must* think as we do are they will be disparaged into extinction.
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
they would need to continue to sell the idea they COULD take a QB at 2 because cleveland picks at 4 and will take him there if he is still there,with the colts trading out for the jets to take a QB that opens the door wider for them to risk waiting till 4 for barkley as the giants are the only threat to that idea
maybe they already have a trade in place with cleveland to drop to 4 and thats why the jets moved to 3 instead of 2 as they know there will be only 1 QB off the board at 3 or maybe they figure the giants will take barkley and still leave them the choice of 3 QB's at 3 the jets must feel their guy will be there at 3 to make that trade or they wouldnt make it even thou its the jets
or weight people differently than we do, all seem to have some sneaky ulterior motive or less than pure, objective perspective or are just plain more ignorant than we are. Is it purely ego? Is it that we cannot conceive that anyone would think differently than we do and still remain a credible person? Or is a power and control thing, where other people *must* think as we do are they will be disparaged into extinction.
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
The lack of self awareness is surprising.
Really? Have I disparaged somebody? Have I said that you should ignore someone's entire professional career and integrity and that the only possible reason to write a story is because they went to the same school at different times? That's not even a good pickup line. Did I say that the only reason you would prefer one player over another is because you're lusting in your heart and pants over the current QB? If I did all that, then I agree with you on the self-awareness point.
That doesn't mean they don't like Barkley as the pick. If somehow Barkley went first or gets himself arrested between now and then are they supposed to sit at the draft table and flip coins to determine which QB they would pick? Of course they watch and grade all the QB's.
but I hope they know what they are doing. Penn State has a long history of hyping running backs who get drafted high and are absolute busts. And running backs worthy of the #2 pick don't get stopped cold by pedestrian defenses.
they would need to continue to sell the idea they COULD take a QB at 2 because cleveland picks at 4 and will take him there if he is still there,with the colts trading out for the jets to take a QB that opens the door wider for them to risk waiting till 4 for barkley as the giants are the only threat to that idea
maybe they already have a trade in place with cleveland to drop to 4 and thats why the jets moved to 3 instead of 2 as they know there will be only 1 QB off the board at 3 or maybe they figure the giants will take barkley and still leave them the choice of 3 QB's at 3 the jets must feel their guy will be there at 3 to make that trade or they wouldnt make it even thou its the jets
Maybe Cleveland is content with the RBs that will be there at the top of the 2nd Rd or just really like Chubb at 4 and not Barkley?
Maybe they trade #4 to Denver and take at Chubb at 5? Maybe they listen if Buffalo calls with the big haul to move up to 4?
Point is there's a lot of time left and things could go a number of ways. Ways that do pressure the Jets to want to move up to #2. Buffalo at 4 no doubt would be one, for fear they'd be in position to jump to 2 from 4.
Seems both Buffalo and the Jets would still have their #1's next year and that could be enough for DG to drop back a little if he doesn't want a QB, and knows his guy will still be there with QBs going 1-2 or 1-2-3.
Gonna be interesting and fun to watch this all play out.
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
1) they have their #1 next year
2) what difference does it make to DG if he doesn't want a QB? I'd agree with you if he wants a QB and allows the Jets the opportunity to select one ahead of him, but if he doesn't want one, it doesn't matter. He could be wrong anyway to stay at 2, not select one, and have the Jets guy pan out, so what difference does it make if he takes a non QB at 2 or 3?
from the Buffalo link yesterday:
For the #2 NY Giants pick, Buffalo Bills propose the following:
2018 1st Round (#12 overall)
2018 1st Round (#22)
2018 2nd Round (#53)
2018 3rd Round (#65)
2019 2nd Round
Everyone said this wasn't enough, that 2019 #1 need in addition to all the rest. The Jets are out of 2nd rounders. Swpping 2018 #1s and a 2019 #1 only is not enough.
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
1) they have their #1 next year
2) what difference does it make to DG if he doesn't want a QB? I'd agree with you if he wants a QB and allows the Jets the opportunity to select one ahead of him, but if he doesn't want one, it doesn't matter. He could be wrong anyway to stay at 2, not select one, and have the Jets guy pan out, so what difference does it make if he takes a non QB at 2 or 3?
from the Buffalo link yesterday:
For the #2 NY Giants pick, Buffalo Bills propose the following:
2018 1st Round (#12 overall)
2018 1st Round (#22)
2018 2nd Round (#53)
2018 3rd Round (#65)
2019 2nd Round
Everyone said this wasn't enough, that 2019 #1 need in addition to all the rest. The Jets are out of 2nd rounders. Swpping 2018 #1s and a 2019 #1 only is not enough.
Why not?
DG would still get his guy at 3 if he doesn't want a QB,and walk away with a premium pick next year. It would basically be a bonus pick and DG would get something in return for really doing nothing or risking anything.
He could always ask for a 3rd on top of next year's 1 but I'd don't see why just getting next year's 1 would stop him from pulling the trigger.
The only way this trade wouldn't make sense to me is if DG wants a QB and lets the Jets jump him. Then he'd have to get a whole helluva lot more to even consider justifying the risk of losing his guy to the Jets.
Could be a smokescreen... b/c if Browns take Barkley Â
All of a sudden our pick is worth a whole damn lot.
With Jets, Browns, Broncos picking #3, #4, #5 ALL NEEDING A QB, ... there could be a team (or any one of those 3 teams) willing to trade us like their next 10 years' worth of draft picks to make sure they get "Their Guy".
The Giants were 3-13 last year. They need a MAJOR CONTRIBUTION from the #2 pick this year. Barkley could be that and so could Nelson. A QB will not provide that contribution this year. The only way they don't take one of those two is if another team offers them a package they can't refuse which would include a #1 in 2019 where they can draft a QB.
Go all the way back to the 2000 draft and look at all of the 1st round picks at RB and see how many won a Superbowl and then how many were the reason they won. There are some Superbowl wins but none were the deciding factor in the game. It's gotten worse in the last 10 years too. It's a passing league.
All I am saying is that the value doesn't appear to be there taking a RB at pick 2. Elliott may be the one but he has had one of the best Old and his yards per carry dropped a whole yard last year from 5.1 to 4.1. Remains to be seen.
That makes no sense because the Eagles won the Super Bowl last year with Foles. Will Davis Webb be better than Foles with Shurmur coaching him? Probably.....
It's the team improvement that occurs with a generational back like Barkley. He improves both the offense and the defense (i.e., clock control).
I love how. Everyone who pushes Barkley, just likes to ignore the fact that the Giants have a 37 yr old QB in decline. They have as big a need at QB as any team. And they don’t get a chance to pick 2 often. Better not use it on no damn RB
They're gonna remember it next year when Eli is crumbling to the turf as soon as a defender gets close and throwing at the feet of receivers when he's pressured.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks.
A 37 year old QB in decline. You should be a GM because you seem to know more than Gettleman.
I.e., give Eli a top pass receiver (he didn't have OBJ last year); give Eli a better pass blocking line (he played behind a sieve last year); give Eli a franchise RB (like Barkley) and Eli may have 4 years left. Remember, he is the most durable QB of his genre, and has some peers (e.g., like Brees) who is older and still in great shape (as Eli is).
Sorry I missed the most important criteria:
Give Eli a coach who knows what he is doing and put him in a system where he can excel and you may see Eli finding the fountain of youth.
I (IMHO) do not believe that Eli has declined. He played behind the worst offense in the NFL last year (this offense had NOTHING)!
When your rookie TE is your best skill player and you have no offensive line, even Tom Brady would get killed!
We had one of the worst offenses in the NFL, but it was everyones fault but Eli. Anyone suggesting that Eli still has a lot left is basing that all on hope. All of it. Everything I have seen for the last two years leads me to believe that he's in a stead decline, but again, it's not his fault...its everyone elses.
I love how. Everyone who pushes Barkley, just likes to ignore the fact that the Giants have a 37 yr old QB in decline. They have as big a need at QB as any team. And they don’t get a chance to pick 2 often. Better not use it on no damn RB
They're gonna remember it next year when Eli is crumbling to the turf as soon as a defender gets close and throwing at the feet of receivers when he's pressured.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks.
A 37 year old QB in decline. You should be a GM because you seem to know more than Gettleman.
I.e., give Eli a top pass receiver (he didn't have OBJ last year); give Eli a better pass blocking line (he played behind a sieve last year); give Eli a franchise RB (like Barkley) and Eli may have 4 years left. Remember, he is the most durable QB of his genre, and has some peers (e.g., like Brees) who is older and still in great shape (as Eli is).
Sorry I missed the most important criteria:
Give Eli a coach who knows what he is doing and put him in a system where he can excel and you may see Eli finding the fountain of youth.
I (IMHO) do not believe that Eli has declined. He played behind the worst offense in the NFL last year (this offense had NOTHING)!
When your rookie TE is your best skill player and you have no offensive line, even Tom Brady would get killed!
Ooohh yea is that right? You don't believe Eli has declined? Good for you. They should make u the GM because you seem to know more than Gettlemen.
See how that works? It's called an opinion, champ.
and he needs to be able to do this to be taken 2nd overall. Land of 10 has the Giants taking Allen which is okay with me if Darnold is gone. Webb is not mobile and while tall, he strikes me as a bit frail. If neither Darnold nor Allen were on the board this year, I would take Nelson before I took Barkley.
Cleveland Browns — Sam Darnold, QB, USC
New York Giants — Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
New York Jets — Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
Cleveland Browns — Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
Denver Broncos — Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
Indianapolis Colts — Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Derwin James, DB, Florida State
Chicago Bears –Denzel Ward, DB, Ohio State
San Francisco 49ers — Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
Oakland Raiders — Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
Miami Dolphins — Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
Buffalo Bills — Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA Land of 10 - ( New Window )
and he needs to be able to do this to be taken 2nd overall. Land of 10 has the Giants taking Allen which is okay with me if Darnold is gone. Webb is not mobile and while tall, he strikes me as a bit frail. If neither Darnold nor Allen were on the board this year, I would take Nelson before I took Barkley.
Cleveland Browns — Sam Darnold, QB, USC
New York Giants — Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
New York Jets — Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
Cleveland Browns — Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
Denver Broncos — Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
Indianapolis Colts — Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Derwin James, DB, Florida State
Chicago Bears –Denzel Ward, DB, Ohio State
San Francisco 49ers — Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
Oakland Raiders — Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
Miami Dolphins — Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
Buffalo Bills — Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA Land of 10 - ( New Window )
Rosen falling to 12? Come on now. Ward and James before Fitzgerald. lol
RE: I don't get why all the people who have a different view Â
or weight people differently than we do, all seem to have some sneaky ulterior motive or less than pure, objective perspective or are just plain more ignorant than we are. Is it purely ego? Is it that we cannot conceive that anyone would think differently than we do and still remain a credible person? Or is a power and control thing, where other people *must* think as we do are they will be disparaged into extinction.
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
Sam or Saquon... and go ahead and send out every ‘we love Saquon’ signal/smoke screen you want, if Sam is there at two watch how fast we turn the card in. Win-Win when you are selecting players this high. Saquon IMHO is the best RB to enter the league in a LONG time BUT Sam Darnold IMHO is the best QB to enter the league in a LONG time great draft to have top two pick
But that doesn't mean they will take him over a franchise QB.
Let us know when there is one available.
History will show that this years class is the re-dux of 1999 not 1983.
I love that when it comes to the draft everybody swears they need to be able to see the next franchise QB coming a mile away. Fabricating a standard that doesn't actually exist is a terrible way to debate a topic.
There are some wild takes on here. From: "these QBs aren't any good" to "just trade down and draft a QB (that doesn't actually exist and nobody sees coming) next year"
But that doesn't mean they will take him over a franchise QB.
Let us know when there is one available.
History will show that this years class is the re-dux of 1999 not 1983.
I love that when it comes to the draft everybody swears they need to be able to see the next franchise QB coming a mile away. Fabricating a standard that doesn't actually exist is a terrible way to debate a topic.
There are some wild takes on here. From: "these QBs aren't any good" to "just trade down and draft a QB (that doesn't actually exist and nobody sees coming) next year"
It’s a real problem around here. You get the sense some of these posters expect to see a completely finished product at the college level. And only that can warrant using a high pick. Marino was a complete outlier how quickly he adjusted and succeeded at the NFL. And that was a bit hard to see coming after his horrible senior year at Pitt.
Truth is all evaluators are hoping to see enough skill and flashes to reduce the learning curve. And then it’s up to hard work, good coaching and game experience to shrink that learning curve arc. Peyton Manning threw a 100 interceptions his rookie year (close to 30 actually). So expect a lot of failure early...
Of course this inevitably leads to this - to sit or not to sit? That is the very big question...
a former student of mine,Saeed Blacknall, excelled. In the 40 he ran a 4.39 while Saquon ran a 4.40. He's a 6-3 215 WR who didn't get consistent playing time from Franklin (he'd be in 1 0ffensive Series of 3 on rotation during a game) so the Pro Day was a time for scouts to see him. He probably will go 6-7th round or as a UFA based on what I've seen/read. He can return kicks & has a great set of hands along w/his speed.PSU,when they used him(I"m NOT a Franklin fan),used him as a deep threat many times. I hope he's on the Giants radar,probably as a UFA!
The bottom line is if the Giants like Webb (only they can make that call), then the likelihood of the Giants taking Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb is real. They all reflect positions of need - so it not like the Giants will be drafting a guy who will not be starting and contributing immediately.
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
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But they don't like these QBs.
C'mon!
I love how. Everyone who pushes Barkley, just likes to ignore the fact that the Giants have a 37 yr old QB in decline. They have as big a need at QB as any team. And they don’t get a chance to pick 2 often. Better not use it on no damn RB
They're gonna remember it next year when Eli is crumbling to the turf as soon as a defender gets close and throwing at the feet of receivers when he's pressured.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks. [/quote]
A lot of that is predicated on what DG and PS think of Webb - if they like or do not like Webb, that's their call as to whether they think they need to do better at QB with the #2 pick.
Here here.
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
I’ve been fapping to Kim Jones for years
The biggest obstacle, obviously, is the Browns. If they take Barkley at #1, the whole subject is moot. If Cleveland goes QB at #1, there won't be much chance of Barkley falling past their second pick, at #4. The Jets know that, and may choose to call the Giants' bluff by staying put at #3.
Over the next few weeks, it behooves the Giants to show enormous interest in all the top QBs, plus Chubb, Nelson, Ward, James, etc.
Still a lot of time before the draft for any number of things to happen.
One being the Bills trade the big rumored haul (they supposedly would offer the Giants) to the Browns for the number 4 pick. That would put serious pressure on the Jets to trade for the 2 out of fear the Bills would be in position to if they don't.
Hell, at that point I could see the Giants cashing in and trading back to 3, and then to 4. QBs go 1-2-3, and the Giants get their guy at 4 while scoring some sweet picks.
Giants are in a prime spot to either just pick their guy at 2 or sit back, watch everyone else get antsy and wait for the offers to come in.
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
1) they have their #1 next year
2) what difference does it make to DG if he doesn't want a QB? I'd agree with you if he wants a QB and allows the Jets the opportunity to select one ahead of him, but if he doesn't want one, it doesn't matter. He could be wrong anyway to stay at 2, not select one, and have the Jets guy pan out, so what difference does it make if he takes a non QB at 2 or 3?
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
The lack of self awareness is surprising.
You're all class.
maybe they already have a trade in place with cleveland to drop to 4 and thats why the jets moved to 3 instead of 2 as they know there will be only 1 QB off the board at 3 or maybe they figure the giants will take barkley and still leave them the choice of 3 QB's at 3 the jets must feel their guy will be there at 3 to make that trade or they wouldnt make it even thou its the jets
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Those big hooters were lactating about “how much love there was in that locker room for Spags.”
You're all class.
Just like school on Sunday
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or weight people differently than we do, all seem to have some sneaky ulterior motive or less than pure, objective perspective or are just plain more ignorant than we are. Is it purely ego? Is it that we cannot conceive that anyone would think differently than we do and still remain a credible person? Or is a power and control thing, where other people *must* think as we do are they will be disparaged into extinction.
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
The lack of self awareness is surprising.
But they don't like these QBs.
C'mon!
That doesn't mean they don't like Barkley as the pick. If somehow Barkley went first or gets himself arrested between now and then are they supposed to sit at the draft table and flip coins to determine which QB they would pick? Of course they watch and grade all the QB's.
Good, just getting older LOL. How have you been,it's been a long while since you have been around. Good to see you posting again.
maybe they already have a trade in place with cleveland to drop to 4 and thats why the jets moved to 3 instead of 2 as they know there will be only 1 QB off the board at 3 or maybe they figure the giants will take barkley and still leave them the choice of 3 QB's at 3 the jets must feel their guy will be there at 3 to make that trade or they wouldnt make it even thou its the jets
Maybe Cleveland is content with the RBs that will be there at the top of the 2nd Rd or just really like Chubb at 4 and not Barkley?
Maybe they trade #4 to Denver and take at Chubb at 5? Maybe they listen if Buffalo calls with the big haul to move up to 4?
Point is there's a lot of time left and things could go a number of ways. Ways that do pressure the Jets to want to move up to #2. Buffalo at 4 no doubt would be one, for fear they'd be in position to jump to 2 from 4.
Seems both Buffalo and the Jets would still have their #1's next year and that could be enough for DG to drop back a little if he doesn't want a QB, and knows his guy will still be there with QBs going 1-2 or 1-2-3.
Gonna be interesting and fun to watch this all play out.
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How are things?
Good, just getting older LOL. How have you been,it's been a long while since you have been around. Good to see you posting again.
I'm good, thanks. Couple of kids in high school and life flying by in a blink of an eye...
Thought I would a good time to come with the clown show BB'56 gone...
And now I see the clown show is back. Mother f-cker... ;)
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it will never happen:
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
1) they have their #1 next year
2) what difference does it make to DG if he doesn't want a QB? I'd agree with you if he wants a QB and allows the Jets the opportunity to select one ahead of him, but if he doesn't want one, it doesn't matter. He could be wrong anyway to stay at 2, not select one, and have the Jets guy pan out, so what difference does it make if he takes a non QB at 2 or 3?
from the Buffalo link yesterday:
For the #2 NY Giants pick, Buffalo Bills propose the following:
2018 1st Round (#12 overall)
2018 1st Round (#22)
2018 2nd Round (#53)
2018 3rd Round (#65)
2019 2nd Round
Everyone said this wasn't enough, that 2019 #1 need in addition to all the rest. The Jets are out of 2nd rounders. Swpping 2018 #1s and a 2019 #1 only is not enough.
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it will never happen:
1) they Jets have nothing left to trade
2) the Giants/Jets will never trade with each other, especially with this much on the line. The team that is wrong will never live it down.
1) they have their #1 next year
2) what difference does it make to DG if he doesn't want a QB? I'd agree with you if he wants a QB and allows the Jets the opportunity to select one ahead of him, but if he doesn't want one, it doesn't matter. He could be wrong anyway to stay at 2, not select one, and have the Jets guy pan out, so what difference does it make if he takes a non QB at 2 or 3?
from the Buffalo link yesterday:
For the #2 NY Giants pick, Buffalo Bills propose the following:
2018 1st Round (#12 overall)
2018 1st Round (#22)
2018 2nd Round (#53)
2018 3rd Round (#65)
2019 2nd Round
Everyone said this wasn't enough, that 2019 #1 need in addition to all the rest. The Jets are out of 2nd rounders. Swpping 2018 #1s and a 2019 #1 only is not enough.
Why not?
DG would still get his guy at 3 if he doesn't want a QB,and walk away with a premium pick next year. It would basically be a bonus pick and DG would get something in return for really doing nothing or risking anything.
He could always ask for a 3rd on top of next year's 1 but I'd don't see why just getting next year's 1 would stop him from pulling the trigger.
The only way this trade wouldn't make sense to me is if DG wants a QB and lets the Jets jump him. Then he'd have to get a whole helluva lot more to even consider justifying the risk of losing his guy to the Jets.
With Jets, Browns, Broncos picking #3, #4, #5 ALL NEEDING A QB, ... there could be a team (or any one of those 3 teams) willing to trade us like their next 10 years' worth of draft picks to make sure they get "Their Guy".
I guess the Giants will have to wait until at least 2019 to draft a franchise QB beauase there are none in this draft!
And the guys who do "look" like that are just as capable of failing. You want a sure thing when there isn't one.
All I am saying is that the value doesn't appear to be there taking a RB at pick 2. Elliott may be the one but he has had one of the best Old and his yards per carry dropped a whole yard last year from 5.1 to 4.1. Remains to be seen.
That makes no sense because the Eagles won the Super Bowl last year with Foles. Will Davis Webb be better than Foles with Shurmur coaching him? Probably.....
It's the team improvement that occurs with a generational back like Barkley. He improves both the offense and the defense (i.e., clock control).
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In comment 13877676 EddieNYG said:
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Along with Shurmur are at Darnold's Pro Day
But they don't like these QBs.
C'mon!
I love how. Everyone who pushes Barkley, just likes to ignore the fact that the Giants have a 37 yr old QB in decline. They have as big a need at QB as any team. And they don’t get a chance to pick 2 often. Better not use it on no damn RB
They're gonna remember it next year when Eli is crumbling to the turf as soon as a defender gets close and throwing at the feet of receivers when he's pressured.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks.
A 37 year old QB in decline. You should be a GM because you seem to know more than Gettleman.
I.e., give Eli a top pass receiver (he didn't have OBJ last year); give Eli a better pass blocking line (he played behind a sieve last year); give Eli a franchise RB (like Barkley) and Eli may have 4 years left. Remember, he is the most durable QB of his genre, and has some peers (e.g., like Brees) who is older and still in great shape (as Eli is).
Sorry I missed the most important criteria:
Give Eli a coach who knows what he is doing and put him in a system where he can excel and you may see Eli finding the fountain of youth.
I (IMHO) do not believe that Eli has declined. He played behind the worst offense in the NFL last year (this offense had NOTHING)!
When your rookie TE is your best skill player and you have no offensive line, even Tom Brady would get killed!
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In comment 13877713 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13877676 EddieNYG said:
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Along with Shurmur are at Darnold's Pro Day
But they don't like these QBs.
C'mon!
I love how. Everyone who pushes Barkley, just likes to ignore the fact that the Giants have a 37 yr old QB in decline. They have as big a need at QB as any team. And they don’t get a chance to pick 2 often. Better not use it on no damn RB
They're gonna remember it next year when Eli is crumbling to the turf as soon as a defender gets close and throwing at the feet of receivers when he's pressured.
I love Eli, but passing on a QB would be such a massive mistake. I won't be sleeping very well if they take Barkley but this is just my opinion, which I'm sure some people think sucks.
A 37 year old QB in decline. You should be a GM because you seem to know more than Gettleman.
I.e., give Eli a top pass receiver (he didn't have OBJ last year); give Eli a better pass blocking line (he played behind a sieve last year); give Eli a franchise RB (like Barkley) and Eli may have 4 years left. Remember, he is the most durable QB of his genre, and has some peers (e.g., like Brees) who is older and still in great shape (as Eli is).
Sorry I missed the most important criteria:
Give Eli a coach who knows what he is doing and put him in a system where he can excel and you may see Eli finding the fountain of youth.
I (IMHO) do not believe that Eli has declined. He played behind the worst offense in the NFL last year (this offense had NOTHING)!
When your rookie TE is your best skill player and you have no offensive line, even Tom Brady would get killed!
Ooohh yea is that right? You don't believe Eli has declined? Good for you. They should make u the GM because you seem to know more than Gettlemen.
See how that works? It's called an opinion, champ.
And high character, which also ought to be of high value to this franchise.
Cleveland Browns — Sam Darnold, QB, USC
New York Giants — Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
New York Jets — Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
Cleveland Browns — Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
Denver Broncos — Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
Indianapolis Colts — Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Derwin James, DB, Florida State
Chicago Bears –Denzel Ward, DB, Ohio State
San Francisco 49ers — Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
Oakland Raiders — Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
Miami Dolphins — Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
Buffalo Bills — Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
Land of 10 - ( New Window )
In comment 13877698 Scott in Montreal said:
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But that doesn't mean they will take him over a franchise QB.
Let us know when there is one available.
History will show that this years class is the re-dux of 1999 not 1983.
Cleveland Browns — Sam Darnold, QB, USC
New York Giants — Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
New York Jets — Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
Cleveland Browns — Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
Denver Broncos — Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
Indianapolis Colts — Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Derwin James, DB, Florida State
Chicago Bears –Denzel Ward, DB, Ohio State
San Francisco 49ers — Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
Oakland Raiders — Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
Miami Dolphins — Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
Buffalo Bills — Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA Land of 10 - ( New Window )
Rosen falling to 12? Come on now. Ward and James before Fitzgerald. lol
The draft is truly an interesting view into human behavior. And also a nifty bit of football stuff in the off-season.
You are my hero, Bill!
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But that doesn't mean they will take him over a franchise QB.
Let us know when there is one available.
History will show that this years class is the re-dux of 1999 not 1983.
I love that when it comes to the draft everybody swears they need to be able to see the next franchise QB coming a mile away. Fabricating a standard that doesn't actually exist is a terrible way to debate a topic.
There are some wild takes on here. From: "these QBs aren't any good" to "just trade down and draft a QB (that doesn't actually exist and nobody sees coming) next year"
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In comment 13877654 EddieNYG said:
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But that doesn't mean they will take him over a franchise QB.
Let us know when there is one available.
History will show that this years class is the re-dux of 1999 not 1983.
I love that when it comes to the draft everybody swears they need to be able to see the next franchise QB coming a mile away. Fabricating a standard that doesn't actually exist is a terrible way to debate a topic.
There are some wild takes on here. From: "these QBs aren't any good" to "just trade down and draft a QB (that doesn't actually exist and nobody sees coming) next year"
It’s a real problem around here. You get the sense some of these posters expect to see a completely finished product at the college level. And only that can warrant using a high pick. Marino was a complete outlier how quickly he adjusted and succeeded at the NFL. And that was a bit hard to see coming after his horrible senior year at Pitt.
Truth is all evaluators are hoping to see enough skill and flashes to reduce the learning curve. And then it’s up to hard work, good coaching and game experience to shrink that learning curve arc. Peyton Manning threw a 100 interceptions his rookie year (close to 30 actually). So expect a lot of failure early...
Of course this inevitably leads to this - to sit or not to sit? That is the very big question...