Given that I don’t watch college football, there are a bunch of IFS here. IF Barkley is all that they say and IF what Joey et al have stated about his extreme versatility is correct, then his value to this O and by extension the D could be extreme.
Assuming the Giants are truly not in love with the so-called franchise QBs that will be quickly snapped up by others, they could certainly pick one later on if they are so inclined.
The Key here could very well be Shurmur. His work with Keenum and Foles (his first Eagles stint) has been rather well documented. If he feels he can work with Webb, if he feels DW has the requisite skillset to eventually ascend in production long term, then he might very well be Eli’s heir apparent. Yes, another IF here, but that could be the thinking in the Giants’ circle.
Barkley could make it much easier for an ultimate Webb transition and could, in the short term, extend the career of Eli, who by all accounts is still rather physically sound..Having Barkley as his go-to bellweather guy along with OBJ and the other offensive weapons, might very well be a way to lessen Eli’s understandable happy feet and his desperate need to make something happen out of nothing. Naturally, continuing to fix the OL will be of immeasurable importance to Eli and Webb. Having a Barkley who can make something out of nothing it would appear at times, would be huge towards aiding the OL.
Just my two cents.
Maybe spend a 2nd on RB with far less potential, taking away the lineman or other player we can get here. Webb most likely cut, before even getting a fair evaluation. So RB is worse, 1 less pick to contribute this year, force last year's 3rd round pick to be a bust, and force Eli out next year, likely not doing well this year. All while praying with all of your might that the QB isn't a bust for the future.
Why would Webb be cut? The Giants will carry three QB's. It's statements like this that I can't stand. You post a stupid comment to try to support your argument.
The key will be the evaluation of the QB's by the Giants. and what they feel the prospects are for OL improvement. Unless they have truly made some strides with the OL...nothing they do will matter all that much.
There would be no shame if Webb lost out to Darnold for ex. and was traded for a 2021 2nd rd pick.
Why is competition good at every position except the most important position?
Everything is relative! - ( New Window )
in a year or 2 he would compete to be the starter! Shurmer and DG don't seem like the types that would give the job to Darnold or Rosen just because they were higher picks. If Webb outperformed the new guy, we trade the other.
if they want barkleys type advantages there is a couple of others in the draft guice,michel and more of a workhorse back like nick chubb that should be avalable round 2 and in chubbs case possibly round 3 if they do take a trade back or cleveland doesnt go QB but i would be shocked at that tyrod is clearly a 1 year bridge while they get a drafted QB upto speed but none of them will be ready as quickly as barkley due to his blocking ability day1 thats why i and many of us believe he is worth the number 2 pick
this is why so many of us want barkley he will extend eli's career and giving him the playaction threat he lost since bradshaw and jacobs departure he lives off the playaction and he just hasnt had that in anything but some spurts with vereen between injuries and a solid running game will make the eventual sucession to eli that much easier thats why he is so valuable,his threat will prevent teams blanketing OBJ and engram so much too,this will allow for better time of possession and rest the defence better he will make them better in more than one area
i think the qb's (and many agree) are flawed and overhyped and not worth the pick,they lost picks with trades so a move back is also a sensible option they have plenty of holes inspite of the improved depth DG appears to have already brought in if DG wants to move back a few spots not as many as 12th and grab nelson,chubb or fitzpatrick there and use an extra pick on a second round back like guice if he is there i think he could go late first round possiblty than that too is a plan as well
clearly DG brought in shurmur to develop webb and it makes sense when you see what he did with foles,bridgewater and keenum previously and webb has more impressive physical traits than any of those guys 6-5 with a strong arm,smart a coaches son so ticks all the boxes you look for they still have time to find a successor if webb isnt it too they are on a shorter clock than you would like but they do have some time still
2018: Eli starts, Webb is primary backup, Rosen sits (gets bigger and stronger in the meantime).
2019: Eli is traded (coming off his third Super Bowl MVP!) to the Jaguars, where he immediately signs a three year extension (a la Alex Smith trade to Redskins). Rosen wins QB competition in preseason and starts, Webb is the backup. Webb gets to start the final game of the season because the Giants are 15-0 and he lights it up with 400 yards passing and 4 TD tosses.
2020: Webb is traded for a Day Two pick. The Giants use a Day Three pick on a QB to be Rosen's backup.
We won't learn much about either for another year or 2. When the time comes (if they draft a QB), they will battle it out in training camp and preseason in a year or 2. Yes, they won't be contributing much until then, but QB is such an important position that it's wise to think long term, not just about the upcoming season or 2.
I'm not saying we definitely have to draft a QB, I'm just giving the rationale for it, which is reasonable.
It's fortunate to find yourself with this high a draft pick in a QB strong draft when your franchise QB is nearing retirement. Look at the teams that have been looking for a QB for decades and what they're willing to trade to move up and take one this year.
2-Re Barkley, I was thinking about the huge transformation the Cowboys made from one year to the next with Zeke lessening the down and distance for Zak, making it easier to move the chains. Zak’s mobility along with their great OL certainly made it much easier for the Cowboys to be productive. It certainly helped their D, who, coming into that season, were not all that highly regarded
Oh well, another target to add to the daily clay pigeon shoot... ;)
Webb’s mobilty? Comparable to Zak or not, iyo?
Your point is stupid. There is a good chance that this is Eli's last season with the Giants. If they use the 2nd overall pick on a QB they will need a backup after Eli is gone. Webb would be the primary backup for two seasons. Just because Eli never missed any games doesn't mean that the next QB will stay healthy.
You mean Foles who was the backup to former #2 pick Wentz? Wentz who started the first 13 games and was the main reason why the Eagles made the playoffs.
Well being that they usually carry 3 QB's they could add a cheap veteran mentor.
So guys like Darnold, Allen, or Mayfield.
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Webb is pretty athletic but what I mean by different quarterbacks is he's not really a scrambler. Think more along the lines of a cousins. He can, but it's not his thing
So guys like Darnold, Allen, or Mayfield.
Can you clarify that?
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Webb is pretty athletic but what I mean by different quarterbacks is he's not really a scrambler. Think more along the lines of a cousins. He can, but it's not his thing
So guys like Darnold, Allen, or Mayfield.
Can you clarify that?
Guys who can escape pressure.
And this is Eli, Ben and Rivers again? And these 3 guys will spearhead teams for the next 15 years? And some , if not all of those teams win Super Bowl(s).
And what if one of those teams is the Jets?
What then?
And what if Eli Manning really does have only 2 years left?
And what if those years are comparable to the last 5 years (33-46 W-L)?
And 0 playoff wins?
And what if Davis Webb is like the overwhelming majority of 3rd QBs drafted the last 30 years? And the 3rd rounders drafted by Reese?
What then?
And what if the Giants are in this position while those 3 teams are racking up playoffs, division titles, and maybe championships? And if one of those teams is the New York Jets?
What then?
And this is Eli, Ben and Rivers again? And these 3 guys will spearhead teams for the next 15 years? And some , if not all of those teams win Super Bowl(s).
And what if one of those teams is the Jets?
What then?
And what if Eli Manning really does have only 2 years left?
And what if those years are comparable to the last 5 years (33-46 W-L)?
And 0 playoff wins?
And what if Davis Webb is like the overwhelming majority of 3rd QBs drafted the last 30 years? And the 3rd rounders drafted by Reese?
What then?
And what if the Giants are in this position while those 3 teams are racking up playoffs, division titles, and maybe championships? And if one of those teams is the New York Jets?
What then?
These are all co-equal pov’s.
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