First of all, take anything you hear in the media with a huge grain of salt. This isn't the Jerry Reese led Giants. Gettleman and Co. understand the importance of secrecy and the advantage it gives the team both leading up to the draft as well as on draft day. How many times in the past decade have teams known who we were targeting and thus jumped ahead of us to grab the player we wanted? Everything we're hearing from the beat writers is b/c that's what the Giants want us (and the rest of the country) to hear.
Now looking at the current state of this team, anyone who thinks we don't take a QB at #2 is completely fooling themselves. This was a 3-13 team last year that is nowhere close to competing for a Super Bowl. Even if you believe Eli has two good years left in him, do you really believe this team has a shot at winning it all in that time-frame? The answer is no.
So if we're not competing for a Super Bowl in the short term, that diminishes the importance of drafting a player who must improve the team immediately. So why are we signing veterans like Jonathan Stewart, Nate Solder etc? Because Gettleman also understands the need to fix the locker room by bringing in leaders, building a true veteran presence, and establishing a winning culture. It's also important to start rebuilding the oline unit both in the short term and then eventually for the future.
Now back to the original point...how often do you get the opportunity to draft at #2 overall in what is considered to be a strong QB class? We've all experienced QB purgatory firsthand during the Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell era and I know that I, for one, would never want to experience that again. I think we can all agree that the offseason moves to this point have definitely improved our team to the point that we will at least win 5-7 games (and maybe 7-9 with a healthy OBJ and a good season from Eli). And if that's the case, we're not going to be drafting in the top 1-5 picks again anytime soon.
Because of the above, if we were to pass on a QB this year and find out that Davis Webb is not our future at the position, this team would be destined to mediocrity for a very very long time.
That's a bad bet any way you slice it and Gettleman is smart enough to have learned this very important lesson from his mentor Ernie Accorsi. There are four QB's who merit consideration with the #2 pick (Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield). Get ready for one of those guys to become the future QB of the New York Football Giants.
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
2) We signed Steward and Solder
3) We once drafted Dave Brown.
It seems like a long road to get from that to your Absolute.
Then you weren't paying attention because our intentions were public information.
LOL, that's funny. Why not become a Jets fan now? If your loyalty is that thin.
Seriously, you are not in a position to be the arbiter of Gettleman's judgement. You also don't know if any of the QBs will be good enough. And you certainly shouldn't be making judgements on his job performance if he doesn't do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO. You certainly have a very high opinion of your own opinion.
That might not be fair but that is what will happen unless he wins a SB with Eli or Webb
Yeah well what if he passes on a HOF QB this year, but gets one next year, and the one he gets next year is EVEN BETTER? Hmmm? Betcha didn't think of that, now didya?
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
Maybe - just maybe - the Giants FO doesn't believe the QB's available are a "once in a generation opportunity"?
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1. Beat writers have the same info, possibly more than we fans do. Why trust you more?
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
How can you say Darnold or Rosen are generational QBs
Have you ever heard of
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Jamarcus Russell
Rick Meier
I don’t see any Andrew Lucks in this group. I could be wrong
But if the Giants take a QB over Barkley they better be right or it sets this franchise back 3-5 years
2. Ever since the blow up with the Eli benching, Mara has, imo, completely overcorrected with him. As others have posted in other threads, I would not be surprised if Gettleman and Shurmur came into these jobs with marching orders of make it work with Eli. If that's the case, what makes sense to us in terms of roster building (i.e., take a QB) may not be consistent with that directive. Just like while it would made have made sense for the Giants to play Webb down the stretch to get a look at him, it wasn't consistent with what I believe management's directions to Spags were.
3. I'm really starting to believe that Gettleman is infatuated with Barkley. Keep in mind, he just took Christian McCaffrey at 8th overall last year. Barkley is like a souped up version of McCaffrey in a lot of ways...so it really would not be much of a leap to see that Barkley at 2 would be perfectly fine value in Gettleman's eyes.
Two guys get hired to right the ship and make it ascend (maybe should be right the plane or perhaps a submarine if it needs to be water-based) for the next many years, and the requirement is that they need to tether it to a short-term player who even the owners publicly expressed some doubts about? These guys are businessmen and that would be the stupidest business decision in history.
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1. Beat writers have the same info, possibly more than we fans do. Why trust you more?
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
How can you say Darnold or Rosen are generational QBs
Have you ever heard of
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Jamarcus Russell
Rick Meier
I don’t see any Andrew Lucks in this group. I could be wrong
But if the Giants take a QB over Barkley they better be right or it sets this franchise back 3-5 years
What if Darnold and Rosen turn out to be very good pro QBs and Eli continues his decline and Webb turns out to be Josh McCown? You don't think that sets the franchise back? Regardless of how good Barkley may turn out to be, if they are stuck with shit at QB they have no chance against the Eagles and Cowboys in this division.
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I think you are 100% correct. If Gettleman passes on a QB I will be seriously disappointed in his judgement. There is a QB at 2 that can help this team. His job is to figure out who it is and take him. Period. If he doesn't he should be fired. I'll start rooting for the Jets until they figure it out.
LOL, that's funny. Why not become a Jets fan now? If your loyalty is that thin.
Seriously, you are not in a position to be the arbiter of Gettleman's judgement. You also don't know if any of the QBs will be good enough. And you certainly shouldn't be making judgements on his job performance if he doesn't do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO. You certainly have a very high opinion of your own opinion.
The move is to get a qb... I am sure Gettleman sees it. I think it is funny that all the hype was the Browns were def gonna draft Barkley after the combine. That was a smoke screen. CLEARLY they know a qb is more valuable than a rb. Newsflash.. the Giants also have a pressing need for a QB. Our aging and deteriorating QB is 37. We need a qb too. So here is the best qb class in ten years and we are gonna pass on a qb. Sorry dude, i am allowed to make a freaking judgement. You take a qb \. at worst yuou can get the 2nd guy on your list, more likely the first. you take a qb here. You want to pretend Barkley is once in a gen talent, and you critique me? Barkley is a great athlete who has shown no ability to run between the tackles. "He is not the interior runner you expect for a 230 pound back" That's the book on SB. So at this point it is not clear he is the RB that AP, Zeke and Gurley are. And guess what, even if he was, the move is still to get a qb here. These guys can be game changers. get one..
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1. Beat writers have the same info, possibly more than we fans do. Why trust you more?
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
How can you say Darnold or Rosen are generational QBs
Have you ever heard of
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Jamarcus Russell
Rick Meier
I don’t see any Andrew Lucks in this group. I could be wrong
But if the Giants take a QB over Barkley they better be right or it sets this franchise back 3-5 years
What if Darnold and Rosen turn out to be very good pro QBs and Eli continues his decline and Webb turns out to be Josh McCown? You don't think that sets the franchise back? Regardless of how good Barkley may turn out to be, if they are stuck with shit at QB they have no chance against the Eagles and Cowboys in this division.
I have already said I feel comfortable with a rookie QB sitting behind Eli next year. What if you are wrong? What if Eli is a bottom tier starter again for the third consecutive year? How do you plan to get a QB when they finish 7-9 next year?
I love Eli too but great organizations move on from their players a year early rather than a year too late. We are already a year too late. Eli will never be a top-10 qb again. He was barely top=10 at his best. We love him because he went on 2 insane runs about 8 games each where he played at super-elite levels. Other than that he has been just good the rest of his career. Now you can add a 20 year old qb who can be your man for 10 to 20 years. You should be excited by this. in 5 years you will for get what else you could have had because you will be running with a top-10 guy. The arc of Barkley's career will be peaking in 5 years and 1 year away from the down slope of that arc. And your QB will have another ten peak years and winning super bowls. Forget Barkley. he is catnip. a quick opioid fix. a sexy toy. QBs win in this league. Not running backs. Look at the AFC... In the last 15 years 4 QBs have won all the titles. It is ever more a qb league. teams are jumping all over themselves to get one of these guys. We have one in our laps... we won the lottery.. grab him
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All of a sudden saying Reese was easy to read in his tenure here? He had some missteps, but easy to read? I just don’t get that. Seems like people just like to pile on.
Then you weren't paying attention because our intentions were public information.
Like when?
You must have a psychological condition like masochism.
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I think you are 100% correct. If Gettleman passes on a QB I will be seriously disappointed in his judgement. There is a QB at 2 that can help this team. His job is to figure out who it is and take him. Period. If he doesn't he should be fired. I'll start rooting for the Jets until they figure it out.
LOL, that's funny. Why not become a Jets fan now? If your loyalty is that thin.
Seriously, you are not in a position to be the arbiter of Gettleman's judgement. You also don't know if any of the QBs will be good enough. And you certainly shouldn't be making judgements on his job performance if he doesn't do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO. You certainly have a very high opinion of your own opinion.
The move is to get a qb... I am sure Gettleman sees it. I think it is funny that all the hype was the Browns were def gonna draft Barkley after the combine. That was a smoke screen. CLEARLY they know a qb is more valuable than a rb. Newsflash.. the Giants also have a pressing need for a QB. Our aging and deteriorating QB is 37. We need a qb too. So here is the best qb class in ten years and we are gonna pass on a qb. Sorry dude, i am allowed to make a freaking judgement. You take a qb \. at worst yuou can get the 2nd guy on your list, more likely the first. you take a qb here. You want to pretend Barkley is once in a gen talent, and you critique me? Barkley is a great athlete who has shown no ability to run between the tackles. "He is not the interior runner you expect for a 230 pound back" That's the book on SB. So at this point it is not clear he is the RB that AP, Zeke and Gurley are. And guess what, even if he was, the move is still to get a qb here. These guys can be game changers. get one..
Guys, this kid has "the book" on Barkley. He has the book apparently no NFL scouts or coaches have seen. I mean, who tf are you, though? Where is this book and who wrote it? I'm guessing YOU DID! I've already shown you quotes from NFL scouts and even coaches that have said NONE of what you are saying, in fact the opposite. Scout said he should have the absolute highest grade. NFL Assistant coach said he would punch himself in the nuts many, many times for a chance to draft him. Literally only you and a couple of other posters thinks he can't run between the tackles, I have not seen one person in the NFL community say that about him, only over the moon commentary about his skill. A scout said he does everything Zeke does, but does it better (in every category).
I can and have posted clips demonstrating his power, even through the tackles.
Further, no shit a QB is more valuable than a RB. IN GENERAL...that doesn't mean anything. The question is if a QB available at 2 in THIS draft will be more valuable than Saquon Barkley. We are talking about specific players, not generalities. Jerome Bettis was more valuable than Rick Mirer in the 1993 draft. Leonard Fournette may ultimately prove to be more valuable than Mitch Trubisky. Fred Taylor was more valuable than Ryan Leaf.
The point is to get it right.
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I think you are 100% correct. If Gettleman passes on a QB I will be seriously disappointed in his judgement. There is a QB at 2 that can help this team. His job is to figure out who it is and take him. Period. If he doesn't he should be fired. I'll start rooting for the Jets until they figure it out.
LOL, that's funny. Why not become a Jets fan now? If your loyalty is that thin.
Seriously, you are not in a position to be the arbiter of Gettleman's judgement. You also don't know if any of the QBs will be good enough. And you certainly shouldn't be making judgements on his job performance if he doesn't do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO. You certainly have a very high opinion of your own opinion.
The move is to get a qb... I am sure Gettleman sees it. I think it is funny that all the hype was the Browns were def gonna draft Barkley after the combine. That was a smoke screen. CLEARLY they know a qb is more valuable than a rb. Newsflash.. the Giants also have a pressing need for a QB. Our aging and deteriorating QB is 37. We need a qb too. So here is the best qb class in ten years and we are gonna pass on a qb. Sorry dude, i am allowed to make a freaking judgement. You take a qb \. at worst yuou can get the 2nd guy on your list, more likely the first. you take a qb here. You want to pretend Barkley is once in a gen talent, and you critique me? Barkley is a great athlete who has shown no ability to run between the tackles. "He is not the interior runner you expect for a 230 pound back" That's the book on SB. So at this point it is not clear he is the RB that AP, Zeke and Gurley are. And guess what, even if he was, the move is still to get a qb here. These guys can be game changers. get one..
Guys, this kid has "the book" on Barkley. He has the book apparently no NFL scouts or coaches have seen. I mean, who tf are you, though? Where is this book and who wrote it? I'm guessing YOU DID! I've already shown you quotes from NFL scouts and even coaches that have said NONE of what you are saying, in fact the opposite. Scout said he should have the absolute highest grade. NFL Assistant coach said he would punch himself in the nuts many, many times for a chance to draft him. Literally only you and a couple of other posters thinks he can't run between the tackles, I have not seen one person in the NFL community say that about him, only over the moon commentary about his skill. A scout said he does everything Zeke does, but does it better (in every category).
I can and have posted clips demonstrating his power, even through the tackles.
Further, no shit a QB is more valuable than a RB. IN GENERAL...that doesn't mean anything. The question is if a QB available at 2 in THIS draft will be more valuable than Saquon Barkley. We are talking about specific players, not generalities. Jerome Bettis was more valuable than Rick Mirer in the 1993 draft. Leonard Fournette may ultimately prove to be more valuable than Mitch Trubisky. Fred Taylor was more valuable than Ryan Leaf.
The point is to get it right.
He's had a lot of time to write it since being fired by the boss.
I have an opinion that the Giants take Barkley, preferably after a trade down with Denver at #5. That's my opinion of my ideal scenario.
I also would be happy if the Giants take Darnold at 2 if he's there, or Barkley at 2, or a trade down...but I'm not saying the Giants MUST take Darnold. If they take Rosen, I will hope my opinion of him is incorrect and that he is the second coming of Peyton Manning. It's arrogance to suggest you know better than a GM who has the support of a scouting department, personal interviews, in-depth stats not widely distributed, and a lot more tape than any of us have watched.
We are all making guesses, as educated as your guess may be or you think it is, it's not close to what goes into a pick like this.
Unless you work for the Giants, you have no idea what they are going to do.
With the way things have been run recently I would even question that point. I would say unless your name is gettleman shurmer or Mara then you probably don’t know 100% what the logic may be
BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
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Here is a link of one such report on SB. I didn't take anything out of my ass. A once in a gen back doesn't have these weaknesses. I am not saying he is a bust. I am sure he will be great actually. I just dont think any back is worth passing on good qbs when qb is obviously a huge need for us. Also these alleged weaknesses in his game are different than Zeke, AP and Gurley. These guys are decisive inside runners. SB is a reggie bush clone with 30 pounds of extra meat. And bush was good, never great. You have to admit that the same fate may befall SB. A great year or two, often gets beat to the edge, can't dominate btw the tackles, wears down by year 5. BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
sure.. attack the source rather than make a counterpoint. Nice debate tactic champ. Please tell me you are perfectly comfortable spending the number 2 pick on a running back where over 1200 of his yards came in 4 games and who failed to break 100 yards in 8 of his games IN COLLEGE. Sorry dude these are not the marks of a great gen talent - just cause he had an amazing combine.
That might not be fair but that is what will happen unless he wins a SB with Eli or Webb
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Here is a link of one such report on SB. I didn't take anything out of my ass. A once in a gen back doesn't have these weaknesses. I am not saying he is a bust. I am sure he will be great actually. I just dont think any back is worth passing on good qbs when qb is obviously a huge need for us. Also these alleged weaknesses in his game are different than Zeke, AP and Gurley. These guys are decisive inside runners. SB is a reggie bush clone with 30 pounds of extra meat. And bush was good, never great. You have to admit that the same fate may befall SB. A great year or two, often gets beat to the edge, can't dominate btw the tackles, wears down by year 5. BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
sure.. attack the source rather than make a counterpoint. Nice debate tactic champ. Please tell me you are perfectly comfortable spending the number 2 pick on a running back where over 1200 of his yards came in 4 games and who failed to break 100 yards in 8 of his games IN COLLEGE. Sorry dude these are not the marks of a great gen talent - just cause he had an amazing combine.
You said the book on him was he has shown no ability to run between the tackles. I asked who wrote this book of yours, and you respond with a link to some fucking radio guy in San Francisco. Then you say I'm attacking the source? Look, I don't need to counterpoint that. Your argument is so weak I almost think you're just trolling me. You are, aren't you?
I've already provided plenty of evidence, plenty of information, why should I bother de-bunking some fucking radio guy from San Francisco.
You even linked it with a title, "Barkley scouting report."
Let me clue you in...that's not a scouting report. Calling it a 'scouting report' is a marketing gimmick by a guy trying to generate clicks for his blog, on a website called, "Locked on 49ers"...LMAO, you can't make this shit up.
And yes, I am very comfortable with the Giants using the #2 pick on Saquon Barkley, because the consensus from the draft community and current and former scouts is that he's THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
But here you go, I found the real "book" on Saquon Barkley, so let me give you another "scouting report" on Saquon Barkley from the respected NFL analysis website of fantasyfootballcalculator.com, LMAO:
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/dynasty/dynasty-scouting-report-saquon-barkley-penn-state
There it is guys, that's the scouting report on Barkley. Fantasy Football Calculator definitely wouldn't give us incorrect info.
With Eli deep into the back 9, it's really the perfect time to begin the transition by taking advantage of this unusual situation picking #2.
Hell, I believe in the theory of drafting a QB every year. Since it's the most difficult position to find the right solution, keep drafting them/ You are bound to strike pay dirt. And when when you do, that is a near priceless asset - for that team and for the open market...
In fact I would argue that it's the most unobvious choice in some time at #2
There are arguments for and against it -- pretty good ones too.
Now would I like a Blue Chip QB? Yes I would -- but I don't want a Ryan Leaf or a Teddy Bridgewater - or a Dany Kannell or one of the QB hell guys -- and I also don't think you magically get a Blue Chip QB just because you take him at 2
So obvious? Not to me
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Here is a link of one such report on SB. I didn't take anything out of my ass. A once in a gen back doesn't have these weaknesses. I am not saying he is a bust. I am sure he will be great actually. I just dont think any back is worth passing on good qbs when qb is obviously a huge need for us. Also these alleged weaknesses in his game are different than Zeke, AP and Gurley. These guys are decisive inside runners. SB is a reggie bush clone with 30 pounds of extra meat. And bush was good, never great. You have to admit that the same fate may befall SB. A great year or two, often gets beat to the edge, can't dominate btw the tackles, wears down by year 5. BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
sure.. attack the source rather than make a counterpoint. Nice debate tactic champ. Please tell me you are perfectly comfortable spending the number 2 pick on a running back where over 1200 of his yards came in 4 games and who failed to break 100 yards in 8 of his games IN COLLEGE. Sorry dude these are not the marks of a great gen talent - just cause he had an amazing combine.
You said the book on him was he has shown no ability to run between the tackles. I asked who wrote this book of yours, and you respond with a link to some fucking radio guy in San Francisco. Then you say I'm attacking the source? Look, I don't need to counterpoint that. Your argument is so weak I almost think you're just trolling me. You are, aren't you?
I've already provided plenty of evidence, plenty of information, why should I bother de-bunking some fucking radio guy from San Francisco.
You even linked it with a title, "Barkley scouting report."
Let me clue you in...that's not a scouting report. Calling it a 'scouting report' is a marketing gimmick by a guy trying to generate clicks for his blog, on a website called, "Locked on 49ers"...LMAO, you can't make this shit up.
And yes, I am very comfortable with the Giants using the #2 pick on Saquon Barkley, because the consensus from the draft community and current and former scouts is that he's THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
But here you go, I found the real "book" on Saquon Barkley, so let me give you another "scouting report" on Saquon Barkley from the respected NFL analysis website of fantasyfootballcalculator.com, LMAO:
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/dynasty/dynasty-scouting-report-saquon-barkley-penn-state
There it is guys, that's the scouting report on Barkley. Fantasy Football Calculator definitely wouldn't give us incorrect info.
dude .. you're a joker. sure i linked to a reporter who writes for PFF among others, who collected info from scouts. Of course i linked to a reporter, nfl scouts dont write articles on the net. nobody here actually links to actual scouts. and once again you criticize the source rather than the argument. maybe the argument doesnt make sense to you but you cant refute that SB failed to hit 100 yards 8 times this year against college defenses. and it is clear to many skeptics that SB makes his living on the outside and half the time he is leaping over college defenders. He doe\s that in the nfl and he will have a short career. LMAO at you .. joker.
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Here is a link of one such report on SB. I didn't take anything out of my ass. A once in a gen back doesn't have these weaknesses. I am not saying he is a bust. I am sure he will be great actually. I just dont think any back is worth passing on good qbs when qb is obviously a huge need for us. Also these alleged weaknesses in his game are different than Zeke, AP and Gurley. These guys are decisive inside runners. SB is a reggie bush clone with 30 pounds of extra meat. And bush was good, never great. You have to admit that the same fate may befall SB. A great year or two, often gets beat to the edge, can't dominate btw the tackles, wears down by year 5. BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
sure.. attack the source rather than make a counterpoint. Nice debate tactic champ. Please tell me you are perfectly comfortable spending the number 2 pick on a running back where over 1200 of his yards came in 4 games and who failed to break 100 yards in 8 of his games IN COLLEGE. Sorry dude these are not the marks of a great gen talent - just cause he had an amazing combine.
You said the book on him was he has shown no ability to run between the tackles. I asked who wrote this book of yours, and you respond with a link to some fucking radio guy in San Francisco. Then you say I'm attacking the source? Look, I don't need to counterpoint that. Your argument is so weak I almost think you're just trolling me. You are, aren't you?
I've already provided plenty of evidence, plenty of information, why should I bother de-bunking some fucking radio guy from San Francisco.
You even linked it with a title, "Barkley scouting report."
Let me clue you in...that's not a scouting report. Calling it a 'scouting report' is a marketing gimmick by a guy trying to generate clicks for his blog, on a website called, "Locked on 49ers"...LMAO, you can't make this shit up.
And yes, I am very comfortable with the Giants using the #2 pick on Saquon Barkley, because the consensus from the draft community and current and former scouts is that he's THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
But here you go, I found the real "book" on Saquon Barkley, so let me give you another "scouting report" on Saquon Barkley from the respected NFL analysis website of fantasyfootballcalculator.com, LMAO:
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/dynasty/dynasty-scouting-report-saquon-barkley-penn-state
There it is guys, that's the scouting report on Barkley. Fantasy Football Calculator definitely wouldn't give us incorrect info.
dude .. you're a joker. sure i linked to a reporter who writes for PFF among others, who collected info from scouts. Of course i linked to a reporter, nfl scouts dont write articles on the net. nobody here actually links to actual scouts. and once again you criticize the source rather than the argument. maybe the argument doesnt make sense to you but you cant refute that SB failed to hit 100 yards 8 times this year against college defenses. and it is clear to many skeptics that SB makes his living on the outside and half the time he is leaping over college defenders. He doe\s that in the nfl and he will have a short career. LMAO at you .. joker.
Dude, there are actual NFL reporters, former GMs, former scouts, respected NFL analysts, and even quotes from anonymous current NFL scouts, executives and coaches out there. Not only have I linked quotes by scouts and coaches, I actually just posted a thread with quotes from NFL executives on Sam Darnold not 10 minutes ago. And then there are bloggers and radio guys, and that's the "scouting report" you went with...and you call me a joker. You are trolling me, right?
Can you link anything Peacock wrote for PFF? Because he doesn't currently write or work for PFF. He does sports AND TRAFFIC for iHEARTMEDIA, though....LOL! Seriously dude. Hot takes from radio guys and blogs are not going to help your argument. All it says is he used to work for PFF. Well, shit, he could've been there two weeks for all I know. I found ONE article written by him on PFF that was about a little-known tight end joining the 49ers in free agency. And I'm a pretty good Googler. That doesn't say ANYTHING about him. Doesn't look like he did any analysis for him, just a content writer that perhaps wrote ONE article for PFF.
And by the way, I'm not trying to refute your no 100 yards in 8 games because I already did it in another thread. I can see why you don't remember it because I made that argument look stupid, also. But for the record, he actually hit more than 100 yards in 8 games, and he only played 13 games...so...Oh I get it, you don't think receiving yards should count, lol. Also, you think the number of 100 yards is the only thing that matters, doesn't matter if he had 80 yards in a game in which he only played one half of football because they were up by 40 points in the third quarter, lol.
Oh, and by the way, don't think for a second that I didn't notice that you COMPLETELY made this up:
I double-checked...nothing about scouts there. Doesn't cite any sources in his 'scouting report'. Nope. He just wrote that himself. You know it, I know it. And the fact that you are misrepresenting his blog like scouts had anything to do with it means you already know you have nothing here and you are in full on damage control.
Once again, let me break this down for you...a "scouting report" is written by, you know...SCOUTS. You don't have a scouting report, you have a BLOG POST by a writer on a website called, "Locked on 49ers." And that is what you chose to defend your opinion. Again, scouting reports aren't written by bloggers. But I'm sure Brian Peacock can educate us all on the current Bay Area traffic conditions, LMAO.
Look bud, I'm feeling generous...I'm not going to pile on anymore, it's too easy.
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Here is a link of one such report on SB. I didn't take anything out of my ass. A once in a gen back doesn't have these weaknesses. I am not saying he is a bust. I am sure he will be great actually. I just dont think any back is worth passing on good qbs when qb is obviously a huge need for us. Also these alleged weaknesses in his game are different than Zeke, AP and Gurley. These guys are decisive inside runners. SB is a reggie bush clone with 30 pounds of extra meat. And bush was good, never great. You have to admit that the same fate may befall SB. A great year or two, often gets beat to the edge, can't dominate btw the tackles, wears down by year 5. BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
sure.. attack the source rather than make a counterpoint. Nice debate tactic champ. Please tell me you are perfectly comfortable spending the number 2 pick on a running back where over 1200 of his yards came in 4 games and who failed to break 100 yards in 8 of his games IN COLLEGE. Sorry dude these are not the marks of a great gen talent - just cause he had an amazing combine.
You said the book on him was he has shown no ability to run between the tackles. I asked who wrote this book of yours, and you respond with a link to some fucking radio guy in San Francisco. Then you say I'm attacking the source? Look, I don't need to counterpoint that. Your argument is so weak I almost think you're just trolling me. You are, aren't you?
I've already provided plenty of evidence, plenty of information, why should I bother de-bunking some fucking radio guy from San Francisco.
You even linked it with a title, "Barkley scouting report."
Let me clue you in...that's not a scouting report. Calling it a 'scouting report' is a marketing gimmick by a guy trying to generate clicks for his blog, on a website called, "Locked on 49ers"...LMAO, you can't make this shit up.
And yes, I am very comfortable with the Giants using the #2 pick on Saquon Barkley, because the consensus from the draft community and current and former scouts is that he's THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
But here you go, I found the real "book" on Saquon Barkley, so let me give you another "scouting report" on Saquon Barkley from the respected NFL analysis website of fantasyfootballcalculator.com, LMAO:
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/dynasty/dynasty-scouting-report-saquon-barkley-penn-state
There it is guys, that's the scouting report on Barkley. Fantasy Football Calculator definitely wouldn't give us incorrect info.
dude .. you're a joker. sure i linked to a reporter who writes for PFF among others, who collected info from scouts. Of course i linked to a reporter, nfl scouts dont write articles on the net. nobody here actually links to actual scouts. and once again you criticize the source rather than the argument. maybe the argument doesnt make sense to you but you cant refute that SB failed to hit 100 yards 8 times this year against college defenses. and it is clear to many skeptics that SB makes his living on the outside and half the time he is leaping over college defenders. He doe\s that in the nfl and he will have a short career. LMAO at you .. joker.
Dude, there are actual NFL reporters, former GMs, former scouts, respected NFL analysts, and even quotes from anonymous current NFL scouts, executives and coaches out there. Not only have I linked quotes by scouts and coaches, I actually just posted a thread with quotes from NFL executives on Sam Darnold not 10 minutes ago. And then there are bloggers and radio guys, and that's the "scouting report" you went with...and you call me a joker. You are trolling me, right?
Can you link anything Peacock wrote for PFF? Because he doesn't currently write or work for PFF. He does sports AND TRAFFIC for iHEARTMEDIA, though....LOL! Seriously dude. Hot takes from radio guys and blogs are not going to help your argument. All it says is he used to work for PFF. Well, shit, he could've been there two weeks for all I know. I found ONE article written by him on PFF that was about a little-known tight end joining the 49ers in free agency. And I'm a pretty good Googler. That doesn't say ANYTHING about him. Doesn't look like he did any analysis for him, just a content writer that perhaps wrote ONE article for PFF.
And by the way, I'm not trying to refute your no 100 yards in 8 games because I already did it in another thread. I can see why you don't remember it because I made that argument look stupid, also. But for the record, he actually hit more than 100 yards in 8 games, and he only played 13 games...so...Oh I get it, you don't think receiving yards should count, lol. Also, you think the number of 100 yards is the only thing that matters, doesn't matter if he had 80 yards in a game in which he only played one half of football because they were up by 40 points in the third quarter, lol.
Oh, and by the way, don't think for a second that I didn't notice that you COMPLETELY made this up:
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who collected info from scouts.
I double-checked...nothing about scouts there. Doesn't cite any sources in his 'scouting report'. Nope. He just wrote that himself. You know it, I know it. And the fact that you are misrepresenting his blog like scouts had anything to do with it means you already know you have nothing here and you are in full on damage control.
Once again, let me break this down for you...a "scouting report" is written by, you know...SCOUTS. You don't have a scouting report, you have a BLOG POST by a writer on a website called, "Locked on 49ers." And that is what you chose to defend your opinion. Again, scouting reports aren't written by bloggers. But I'm sure Brian Peacock can educate us all on the current Bay Area traffic conditions, LMAO.
Look bud, I'm feeling generous...I'm not going to pile on anymore, it's too easy.
you didnt refute squat dude.
His game log is fine.. if you are blown away by his game log, good for you. You are acting like a jerk but:
75 yds vs Northwestern
2.1 y/c v Ohio St
35 yds v Rutgers
2.8 yds/c vs Indiana
versus INDIANA
these are not impressive logs for an all-timer. Now the answer is why. Why cant this guy make a living inside vs Northwestern and Indiana? Rather than hiding behind misguided snark like a joker try to conceive that maybe this dude isn't Adrian Peterson. People on this board think he is better. Sorry I dared to opine that he might not be AP. I'll take that bet right now. You are acting like an ass rather than engaging in reasonable debate.
Which Coach was Josh so overly obsessed with?
Was it Gilbride or Coughlin?
I'm pretty sure it was Gilbride...
Either way...he was Hell bent on running them out of town
It seemed like an unhealthy obsession
Adrian Peterson in college:
v TCU. 22 yds, 2.9 ypc
v Kansas -4 yds, -0.8 ypc
v Boise St (when it counted) 77 yds, 3.9 ypc
There’s others but it’s too much cherry picking.
Point is, it happens.
It’ll be Darnold or one of the others. Darnold’s probably their strong preference.
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Here is a link of one such report on SB. I didn't take anything out of my ass. A once in a gen back doesn't have these weaknesses. I am not saying he is a bust. I am sure he will be great actually. I just dont think any back is worth passing on good qbs when qb is obviously a huge need for us. Also these alleged weaknesses in his game are different than Zeke, AP and Gurley. These guys are decisive inside runners. SB is a reggie bush clone with 30 pounds of extra meat. And bush was good, never great. You have to admit that the same fate may befall SB. A great year or two, often gets beat to the edge, can't dominate btw the tackles, wears down by year 5. BArkley scouting report - ( New Window )
You might as well have pulled it out of your ass if you are basing it off a "scouting report" written by a 'radio reporter'.
sure.. attack the source rather than make a counterpoint. Nice debate tactic champ. Please tell me you are perfectly comfortable spending the number 2 pick on a running back where over 1200 of his yards came in 4 games and who failed to break 100 yards in 8 of his games IN COLLEGE. Sorry dude these are not the marks of a great gen talent - just cause he had an amazing combine.
You said the book on him was he has shown no ability to run between the tackles. I asked who wrote this book of yours, and you respond with a link to some fucking radio guy in San Francisco. Then you say I'm attacking the source? Look, I don't need to counterpoint that. Your argument is so weak I almost think you're just trolling me. You are, aren't you?
I've already provided plenty of evidence, plenty of information, why should I bother de-bunking some fucking radio guy from San Francisco.
You even linked it with a title, "Barkley scouting report."
Let me clue you in...that's not a scouting report. Calling it a 'scouting report' is a marketing gimmick by a guy trying to generate clicks for his blog, on a website called, "Locked on 49ers"...LMAO, you can't make this shit up.
And yes, I am very comfortable with the Giants using the #2 pick on Saquon Barkley, because the consensus from the draft community and current and former scouts is that he's THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
But here you go, I found the real "book" on Saquon Barkley, so let me give you another "scouting report" on Saquon Barkley from the respected NFL analysis website of fantasyfootballcalculator.com, LMAO:
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/dynasty/dynasty-scouting-report-saquon-barkley-penn-state
There it is guys, that's the scouting report on Barkley. Fantasy Football Calculator definitely wouldn't give us incorrect info.
dude .. you're a joker. sure i linked to a reporter who writes for PFF among others, who collected info from scouts. Of course i linked to a reporter, nfl scouts dont write articles on the net. nobody here actually links to actual scouts. and once again you criticize the source rather than the argument. maybe the argument doesnt make sense to you but you cant refute that SB failed to hit 100 yards 8 times this year against college defenses. and it is clear to many skeptics that SB makes his living on the outside and half the time he is leaping over college defenders. He doe\s that in the nfl and he will have a short career. LMAO at you .. joker.
Dude, there are actual NFL reporters, former GMs, former scouts, respected NFL analysts, and even quotes from anonymous current NFL scouts, executives and coaches out there. Not only have I linked quotes by scouts and coaches, I actually just posted a thread with quotes from NFL executives on Sam Darnold not 10 minutes ago. And then there are bloggers and radio guys, and that's the "scouting report" you went with...and you call me a joker. You are trolling me, right?
Can you link anything Peacock wrote for PFF? Because he doesn't currently write or work for PFF. He does sports AND TRAFFIC for iHEARTMEDIA, though....LOL! Seriously dude. Hot takes from radio guys and blogs are not going to help your argument. All it says is he used to work for PFF. Well, shit, he could've been there two weeks for all I know. I found ONE article written by him on PFF that was about a little-known tight end joining the 49ers in free agency. And I'm a pretty good Googler. That doesn't say ANYTHING about him. Doesn't look like he did any analysis for him, just a content writer that perhaps wrote ONE article for PFF.
And by the way, I'm not trying to refute your no 100 yards in 8 games because I already did it in another thread. I can see why you don't remember it because I made that argument look stupid, also. But for the record, he actually hit more than 100 yards in 8 games, and he only played 13 games...so...Oh I get it, you don't think receiving yards should count, lol. Also, you think the number of 100 yards is the only thing that matters, doesn't matter if he had 80 yards in a game in which he only played one half of football because they were up by 40 points in the third quarter, lol.
Oh, and by the way, don't think for a second that I didn't notice that you COMPLETELY made this up:
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who collected info from scouts.
I double-checked...nothing about scouts there. Doesn't cite any sources in his 'scouting report'. Nope. He just wrote that himself. You know it, I know it. And the fact that you are misrepresenting his blog like scouts had anything to do with it means you already know you have nothing here and you are in full on damage control.
Once again, let me break this down for you...a "scouting report" is written by, you know...SCOUTS. You don't have a scouting report, you have a BLOG POST by a writer on a website called, "Locked on 49ers." And that is what you chose to defend your opinion. Again, scouting reports aren't written by bloggers. But I'm sure Brian Peacock can educate us all on the current Bay Area traffic conditions, LMAO.
Look bud, I'm feeling generous...I'm not going to pile on anymore, it's too easy.
you didnt refute squat dude.
His game log is fine.. if you are blown away by his game log, good for you. You are acting like a jerk but:
75 yds vs Northwestern
2.1 y/c v Ohio St
35 yds v Rutgers
2.8 yds/c vs Indiana
versus INDIANA
these are not impressive logs for an all-timer. Now the answer is why. Why cant this guy make a living inside vs Northwestern and Indiana? Rather than hiding behind misguided snark like a joker try to conceive that maybe this dude isn't Adrian Peterson. People on this board think he is better. Sorry I dared to opine that he might not be AP. I'll take that bet right now. You are acting like an ass rather than engaging in reasonable debate.
First of all I'm not going to debate some radio guy's blog. I've already won "the debate" when you go there. You can say all you want that I haven't refuted anything, but you used a radio personality and blogger's so-called scouting report to support your own very thinly supported view point. What is there to refute? I've already quoted anonymous scouts, current NFL coaches, former scouts, and other analysts that have talked about Barkley as a special talent and the best player in the draft. You have a blog post.
75 yds vs Northwestern - yeah he played like one play in the 4th quarter. So he had 84 scrimmage yards and 2 TDs in a ho hum 31-7 win in which he played just 3 quarters. You got me.
Saquon not running between the tackles vs Northwestern (boy he was terrible here): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg1Rb3Inr7U
2.1 y/c v Ohio St - Ohio State's front 4 was best in the country and pretty much dominated every OL they played, Penn State's mediocre OL was not much of a challenge for them. Yet Barkley still put 2 TDs on them and 67 yards from scrimmage, including ridiculous plays, and a 98-yard kickoff. When you can't find room to run but still find ways to help your team, and make things happen in various ways, that's what you see with special players and that's what he did in that game.
But this is Saquon obviously sucking vs Ohio State and not running it between the tackles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsTnmTKLx9c
35 yds v Rutgers - Rutgers sold out to stop Barkley and they lost 35-6 letting McSorley of all people hurt them, and it was actually Barkley that put that game away. With some ridiculous plays, and actually had a catch taken away by the refs on a bad call, would've added to his total. Should've had about a 75 yard scrimmage game with 2 TDs in a game that Rutgers, to their own detriment, sold out to stop him.
Saquon vs Rutgers (yes watch this to see how bad he is) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqMfvYi6rnw
2.8 yds/c vs Indiana - Had over 100 yards from scrimmage, threw a 16-yard TD pass, and ran back a kickoff for another TD. That's what you call a great game. You are looking at Barkley as if he's a one-dimensional player, when his worth is more than just a runner. He's a receiver, a returner, and a runner. He struggled at times with the run because of a combination of factors, none of which had anything to do with his talent.
Saquon vs Indiana did this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6eU61Y-UA0
And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctr2r3-q-bc
BTW Indiana lost 45-14 which was typical for a team that decided it was going to just throw everything at Barkley...because that came at a cost.
Notice also he never gets credit for being a TD maker, either. Guy is scoring in bunches but the argument is "oh he didn't gain enough yards running the ball." Lazy arguments.
OBJ isn't that special, he only had 4 games (he played all 16) in which he had more than 100 yards receiving in 2016.
In fact, he had 5 games in which he didn't even get more than 50 yards receiving.
Do you think OBJ is really terrible or do you think that defensive emphasis matters? Do you think that because of that he could've still had an enormous impact on the game even without touching the ball?
This is what happened with Barkley last year. There was a lot more defensive emphasis on stopping him. But even in the games cited as "bad" games, he was actually pretty damn good, and in all cases, his overall impact on the game is greater than his stats.
This is what happened with Barkley last year. There was a lot more defensive emphasis on stopping him. But even in the games cited as "bad" games, he was actually pretty damn good, and in all cases, his overall impact on the game is greater than his stats.
Defenses have been trying to stop Barkley - as the PSU offensive centerpiece - since 2015. This year was no different than 2016. He’s always been priority #1 for defenses, The reason he wasn’t as prolific this year was the turnover in the oline, and, imv, his tendency to give up on the hole and bounce outside too much.
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This is what happened with Barkley last year. There was a lot more defensive emphasis on stopping him. But even in the games cited as "bad" games, he was actually pretty damn good, and in all cases, his overall impact on the game is greater than his stats.
Defenses have been trying to stop Barkley - as the PSU offensive centerpiece - since 2015. This year was no different than 2016. He’s always been priority #1 for defenses, The reason he wasn’t as prolific this year was the turnover in the oline, and, imv, his tendency to give up on the hole and bounce outside too much.
Defenses had to respect Godwin in 2016. They didn't quite have that downfield mismatch this year. I think they dared McSorley to hurt them deep more.