First of all, take anything you hear in the media with a huge grain of salt. This isn't the Jerry Reese led Giants. Gettleman and Co. understand the importance of secrecy and the advantage it gives the team both leading up to the draft as well as on draft day. How many times in the past decade have teams known who we were targeting and thus jumped ahead of us to grab the player we wanted? Everything we're hearing from the beat writers is b/c that's what the Giants want us (and the rest of the country) to hear.
Now looking at the current state of this team, anyone who thinks we don't take a QB at #2 is completely fooling themselves. This was a 3-13 team last year that is nowhere close to competing for a Super Bowl. Even if you believe Eli has two good years left in him, do you really believe this team has a shot at winning it all in that time-frame? The answer is no.
So if we're not competing for a Super Bowl in the short term, that diminishes the importance of drafting a player who must improve the team immediately. So why are we signing veterans like Jonathan Stewart, Nate Solder etc? Because Gettleman also understands the need to fix the locker room by bringing in leaders, building a true veteran presence, and establishing a winning culture. It's also important to start rebuilding the oline unit both in the short term and then eventually for the future.
Now back to the original point...how often do you get the opportunity to draft at #2 overall in what is considered to be a strong QB class? We've all experienced QB purgatory firsthand during the Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell era and I know that I, for one, would never want to experience that again. I think we can all agree that the offseason moves to this point have definitely improved our team to the point that we will at least win 5-7 games (and maybe 7-9 with a healthy OBJ and a good season from Eli). And if that's the case, we're not going to be drafting in the top 1-5 picks again anytime soon.
Because of the above, if we were to pass on a QB this year and find out that Davis Webb is not our future at the position, this team would be destined to mediocrity for a very very long time.
That's a bad bet any way you slice it and Gettleman is smart enough to have learned this very important lesson from his mentor Ernie Accorsi. There are four QB's who merit consideration with the #2 pick (Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield). Get ready for one of those guys to become the future QB of the New York Football Giants.
Unless you work for the Giants, you have no idea what they are going to do.
But do they? Or are they simply a conduit for the Giants to spread false information.
And by the way, I didn't "claim to know" anything. Everything I said in the OP was inferred based on the facts at hand.
There is no "the Giants ARE doing this." There is no, "it's stupid to do this over that." When it comes down to it, nobody posting here has all the required information to be able to say that credibly. The Giants might not even stick at #2.
It's fun to talk about the possibilities and the players, and we all have our opinions of them and what we 'think' they should do, but nobody knows, possibly not even Gettleman himself at this stage. And we certainly don't know who is the smart pick over the dumb pick right now, nobody does...if it were that easy, there wouldn't be something called a 'draft bust', because the guys doing all this homework with much more information available to them wouldn't miss, and they do it all the time, every year.
Not really funny b/c it actually validates my point even further so thank you for pointing it out. Pretty sure Dave Brown was picked 17th overall which is exactly where an average team would be picking and exactly why they would be stuck in QB purgatory. Much harder (though admittedly not impossible) to find a franchise QB at pick #17 than it is at #2.
True. And as I said, everything in the OP is inferred based on what facts we do have.
The point is...nobody on this board knows what they are "obviously" doing unless one of the people on this board is Gettleman. Are you Gettleman?
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first round draft pick Dave Brown in your list of QB misses...
Not really funny b/c it actually validates my point even further so thank you for pointing it out. Pretty sure Dave Brown was picked 17th overall which is exactly where an average team would be picking and exactly why they would be stuck in QB purgatory. Much harder (though admittedly not impossible) to find a franchise QB at pick #17 than it is at #2.
Dave Browns was a supplementary 1st round pick. The Giants forfeited their first rounder in the following draft.
That might not be fair but that is what will happen unless he wins a SB with Eli or Webb
That might not be fair but that is what will happen unless he wins a SB with Eli or Webb
That's sort of how life works.
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
2) We signed Steward and Solder
3) We once drafted Dave Brown.
It seems like a long road to get from that to your Absolute.
Then you weren't paying attention because our intentions were public information.
LOL, that's funny. Why not become a Jets fan now? If your loyalty is that thin.
Seriously, you are not in a position to be the arbiter of Gettleman's judgement. You also don't know if any of the QBs will be good enough. And you certainly shouldn't be making judgements on his job performance if he doesn't do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO. You certainly have a very high opinion of your own opinion.
That might not be fair but that is what will happen unless he wins a SB with Eli or Webb
Yeah well what if he passes on a HOF QB this year, but gets one next year, and the one he gets next year is EVEN BETTER? Hmmm? Betcha didn't think of that, now didya?
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
Maybe - just maybe - the Giants FO doesn't believe the QB's available are a "once in a generation opportunity"?
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1. Beat writers have the same info, possibly more than we fans do. Why trust you more?
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
How can you say Darnold or Rosen are generational QBs
Have you ever heard of
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Jamarcus Russell
Rick Meier
I don’t see any Andrew Lucks in this group. I could be wrong
But if the Giants take a QB over Barkley they better be right or it sets this franchise back 3-5 years
2. Ever since the blow up with the Eli benching, Mara has, imo, completely overcorrected with him. As others have posted in other threads, I would not be surprised if Gettleman and Shurmur came into these jobs with marching orders of make it work with Eli. If that's the case, what makes sense to us in terms of roster building (i.e., take a QB) may not be consistent with that directive. Just like while it would made have made sense for the Giants to play Webb down the stretch to get a look at him, it wasn't consistent with what I believe management's directions to Spags were.
3. I'm really starting to believe that Gettleman is infatuated with Barkley. Keep in mind, he just took Christian McCaffrey at 8th overall last year. Barkley is like a souped up version of McCaffrey in a lot of ways...so it really would not be much of a leap to see that Barkley at 2 would be perfectly fine value in Gettleman's eyes.
Two guys get hired to right the ship and make it ascend (maybe should be right the plane or perhaps a submarine if it needs to be water-based) for the next many years, and the requirement is that they need to tether it to a short-term player who even the owners publicly expressed some doubts about? These guys are businessmen and that would be the stupidest business decision in history.
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1. Beat writers have the same info, possibly more than we fans do. Why trust you more?
2. Yes we can compete. We went into last year expecting to compete. Why did we fall apart? Poor coaching (should be better), poor run and pass blocking) hopefully better, no run game. The talent level outside of RB and OL is and was competitive. I think addressing these will show we can quickly be contenders.
3. With another year to evaluate Webb, and improving the core of the team, we'll be in better position to hand the reigns to Webb or another draft pick. With a good team, there's less pressure to get Tom Brady part 2, which in my opinion isn't a realistic expectation from any position in the draft.
1. I didn't say trust me more I stated my opinion based on the facts at hand. Plus, as I said, the reporters know what the Giants want them to know and I truly believe Gettleman is smart enough to feed false information this time of year.
2. So to clarify you think the Giants have a chance to win the super bowl next season? I'd like whatever you're smoking.
3. Sure take another year to evaluate Webb (with Eli starting) and forfeit a once in a generation opportunity doing it. That sounds like a smart plan to you?
How can you say Darnold or Rosen are generational QBs
Have you ever heard of
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Jamarcus Russell
Rick Meier
I don’t see any Andrew Lucks in this group. I could be wrong
But if the Giants take a QB over Barkley they better be right or it sets this franchise back 3-5 years
What if Darnold and Rosen turn out to be very good pro QBs and Eli continues his decline and Webb turns out to be Josh McCown? You don't think that sets the franchise back? Regardless of how good Barkley may turn out to be, if they are stuck with shit at QB they have no chance against the Eagles and Cowboys in this division.
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I think you are 100% correct. If Gettleman passes on a QB I will be seriously disappointed in his judgement. There is a QB at 2 that can help this team. His job is to figure out who it is and take him. Period. If he doesn't he should be fired. I'll start rooting for the Jets until they figure it out.
LOL, that's funny. Why not become a Jets fan now? If your loyalty is that thin.
Seriously, you are not in a position to be the arbiter of Gettleman's judgement. You also don't know if any of the QBs will be good enough. And you certainly shouldn't be making judgements on his job performance if he doesn't do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO. You certainly have a very high opinion of your own opinion.
The move is to get a qb... I am sure Gettleman sees it. I think it is funny that all the hype was the Browns were def gonna draft Barkley after the combine. That was a smoke screen. CLEARLY they know a qb is more valuable than a rb. Newsflash.. the Giants also have a pressing need for a QB. Our aging and deteriorating QB is 37. We need a qb too. So here is the best qb class in ten years and we are gonna pass on a qb. Sorry dude, i am allowed to make a freaking judgement. You take a qb \. at worst yuou can get the 2nd guy on your list, more likely the first. you take a qb here. You want to pretend Barkley is once in a gen talent, and you critique me? Barkley is a great athlete who has shown no ability to run between the tackles. "He is not the interior runner you expect for a 230 pound back" That's the book on SB. So at this point it is not clear he is the RB that AP, Zeke and Gurley are. And guess what, even if he was, the move is still to get a qb here. These guys can be game changers. get one..