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Schefter says Giants may trade up

Big Rick in FL : 3/21/2018 2:26 pm
To #1. I'd have to assume for Sam Darnold. I hope they can get that deal done. Just secure a QB.

Not sure if it was a rumor or speculation. My buddy texted it to me that Schefter said it on TV.
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this seems far fetched to me  
Andy in Boston : 3/21/2018 3:29 pm : link
fact is, they saw Rosen and Barkley yesterday....Darnold today. The brass hasn't even sat down to discuss it. This just Schefter reaching, I believe. Of the Giants using the media to create firestorms.
It's not even clear to me  
Bill L : 3/21/2018 3:30 pm : link
how there could be one single guy, that is heads over the other guys and is so much better than them that he is worth blowing the whole draft to get...but the team we would trade with, who is far more desperate and is worse situated at the same spot than we are, would be ambivalent about a couple players so would drop to an either/or position. Essentially, for this to work, the clubs would have to have two radically different logic sets, working on the same problem.
RE: ...  
Andy in Boston : 3/21/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13878018 Eric from BBI said:
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I hope this is not true.



me too. This is the one thing I posted about a few months. The 1 scenario could potentially be disastrous. Trade up, trade picks, and have the guy not be the guy.
this could also be a ploy  
Andy in Boston : 3/21/2018 3:31 pm : link
to get the Bills to anny up their offer.
RE: this seems far fetched to me  
GFAN52 : 3/21/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13878280 Andy in Boston said:
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fact is, they saw Rosen and Barkley yesterday....Darnold today. The brass hasn't even sat down to discuss it. This just Schefter reaching, I believe. Of the Giants using the media to create firestorms.


And like I said earlier, wait until Friday's Josh Allen Pro Day and see what all the media types will be saying then.
RE: RE: ...  
Bill L : 3/21/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13878284 Andy in Boston said:
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In comment 13878018 Eric from BBI said:


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I hope this is not true.




me too. This is the one thing I posted about a few months. The 1 scenario could potentially be disastrous. Trade up, trade picks, and have the guy not be the guy.
That also takes DG's statement about being wrong at QB setting you back for 5 years, doubling down by increasing the risk and also the length of setback with a mistake. It seems very contradictory.
Darnold to Browns is a lock  
shyster : 3/21/2018 3:35 pm : link
in the the opinion of at least one other team in the top five.

Ben Allbright is a sports radio guy in Denver who has impressed me as being tuned in.


Benjamin Allbright
‏Verified account @AllbrightNFL
1h1 hour ago

Fwiw: Team picking in the top 5 to me "he [Darnold] is a lock to them [Browns] at #1..."

Allbright also has a photo on his twitter page of Browns owner Haslam sitting in the stands with Darnold's parents.

Browns are going to take their guy.

Link - ( New Window )
RE: Darnold is a moose...  
clatterbuck : 3/21/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13878069 bw in dc said:
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And that's a huge advantage.

His body type reminds me of Aikman. It would take some brass balls to go up and get him...

And if Jints Central does, it raises this question - why not play him, then, right away?


And Aikman was forced to retire because of injuries.
I would bet a lotta money the Giants...  
M.S. : 3/21/2018 3:39 pm : link

...never trade up to #1.

N.E.V.E.R.
I would take Rosen and Allen over Darnold  
Matt G : 3/21/2018 3:39 pm : link
Maybe Mayfield... This would be my nightmare scenario...
Won't Happen  
Rong5611 : 3/21/2018 3:43 pm : link
I think we take Rosen at #2. There was an article in NJ.com on Gettleman saying QB's needing to succeed in the pocket (progressions, etc.). Based on what we've seen, that's what he does better than anyone. And, he's accurate.

To Eric From BBI's point from earlier in this thread, the Giants need players. I can't see them giving the whole draft away for one guy, especially Darnold.
RE: RE: Darnold is a moose...  
bw in dc : 3/21/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13878297 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 13878069 bw in dc said:


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And that's a huge advantage.

His body type reminds me of Aikman. It would take some brass balls to go up and get him...

And if Jints Central does, it raises this question - why not play him, then, right away?



And Aikman was forced to retire because of injuries.


This is really your reply?

Thats as silly as me saying that because Arnold has the same body type hell therefore be a Hall of Famer....
Gettleman was an Accorsi protege and recommended pick  
Les in TO : 3/21/2018 3:50 pm : link
we all know that when Accorsi was in a position to draft a QB he coveted he pulled the trigger on a blockbuster trade. I trust that DG will be realistic and won't overpay, but the fact that they are having conversations is not surprising.
RE: Darnold to Browns is a lock  
GFAN52 : 3/21/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13878295 shyster said:
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in the the opinion of at least one other team in the top five.

Ben Allbright is a sports radio guy in Denver who has impressed me as being tuned in.


Benjamin Allbright
‏Verified account @AllbrightNFL
1h1 hour ago

Fwiw: Team picking in the top 5 to me "he [Darnold] is a lock to them [Browns] at #1..."

Allbright also has a photo on his twitter page of Browns owner Haslam sitting in the stands with Darnold's parents.

Browns are going to take their guy. Link - ( New Window )


I've been thinking they have been going Darnold at 1 for some time. Giants have their own options Rosen, Barkley trade down. No worries.
RE: We didn't really  
KeoweeFan : 3/21/2018 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13878111 ryanmkeane said:
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give up that much for Eli. We gave up a 3rd in 2004, 1st and 5th in 2005. By today's standards, that is really not much at all to go get your guy.

And if I remember correctly if the deal didn't go through they would have been "stuck" with Roethlisberger who would have been their next choice after Eli. (Rivers was the Chargers preferred QB over Ben).

Can we really say the 3 QBs were THAT much different?
(I know "past history is not indicative.....")
I will be happy with either Darnold or Allen  
GeofromNJ : 3/21/2018 3:59 pm : link
My guess is, the Giants prefer Darnold. He is far more NFL ready than Allen. But I think Allen has a slightly higher upside.
If Darnold is your guy  
jc in c-ville : 3/21/2018 4:01 pm : link
You do whatever it takes to get him.

If that means trading up to do so sacrificing picks, so be it.
I've been saying it since last year  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/21/2018 4:02 pm : link
Darnold is the prize.

Everyone in NFL circles knows it.
Its going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG  
BlueHurricane : 3/21/2018 4:03 pm : link
5 weeks
Then, I just don't know who that conversation works...  
Bill L : 3/21/2018 4:05 pm : link
Dave: Listen, I know that we are both desperate for QB's. We know that there is really only one guy who can be a great QB. Because there is only one guy, we will give you are really good asset, a really high draft pick (that we also need, but it's worth it because, you've got to get that guy) to trade with us. Then, you can take the other guy.

So basically, if you're saying that Darnold is the prize  
Bill L : 3/21/2018 4:07 pm : link
and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?
I don't see it with Darnold  
bigbluescot : 3/21/2018 4:12 pm : link
he regularly looks very meh for long long periods in games. And loses the ball at an ridiculous rate.

When he rolls out on the boot though, he looks amazing.
'Darnold isnt the guy'...  
Torrag : 3/21/2018 4:13 pm : link
Yeah. He is.

It's been pretty obvious for some time if you pay attention.
Its becoming pretty obvious  
Sammo85 : 3/21/2018 4:24 pm : link
the Browns are taking Darnold.

The question is whether the Giants love either Rosen or Allen. If not, then its reasonable to assume Barkley or a trade down is very much the play there.
There is so much generic guessing  
hitdog42 : 3/21/2018 4:44 pm : link
That could be right- its getting old quite fast.
Like the giants have 5 choices so you have a 20 percent chance of being right so may as well put one out there.
Trade down - Barkley, qb, Chubb, trade up. These people all have no clue right now.
hitdog  
ryanmkeane : 3/21/2018 4:46 pm : link
you're batting 1,000. What are you hearing?
I think Darnold is going to be great  
UberAlias : 3/21/2018 4:53 pm : link
Yes, he has some things he can improve on -some tweaks to motion and ball security, but he is young and will benefit from sitting a year behind Eli and with our coaching gurus.

I think he's a Luck level talent and as see guys like Brady, Brees, etc moving on, Darnold will be firmly among the next great wave.
RE: RE: Darnold is a moose...  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13878297 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 13878069 bw in dc said:


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And that's a huge advantage.

His body type reminds me of Aikman. It would take some brass balls to go up and get him...

And if Jints Central does, it raises this question - why not play him, then, right away?



And Aikman was forced to retire because of injuries.

At the age of 37.
RE: So basically, if you're saying that Darnold is the prize  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/21/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13878383 Bill L said:
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and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?


I have a theory- it's just my opinion though. Maybe some of it is wishful thinking.

I think Cleveland has a strong belief in Tyrod Taylor (who is still only 28 and has played pretty well at times- 22-20 record in 3 years in Buffalo with 65 TDs and 14 INT's) and they want to form a new quartet of Taylor, Barkley and Gordon, along with Corey Coleman. That's a pretty nice group there of skill players, and not to mention the TE Njoku flashed last year. If they do this they have ALL of those other picks, including 4 overall (Chubb/Nelson) to work on defense and O-line.

If they didn't love Taylor why would they announce him as the starter before the draft? What if you pick Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield and they come in and light it up in mini camp and training camp?

The Browns look at the Giants and see what we see- a 37 year old QB. They have to be figuring that the Giants have to be high on one of these QB's, which logically to me (based on thinking of how the Giants work) is Darnold. He's the cleanest guy and has been groomed for years in a big time market/program as the next best thing. That's a lot of pressure and he has handled it very well and succeeded, similarly as to how another young QB 14 years ago had the pressure of living up to his all-pro brother and demonstrated in college that the stage wasn't too big for him.

I think Gettleman and Shurmur are salivating over a 20 year old kid with all world athleticism and an off the charts skillset who they can work with and mold into a superstar. Throw in (again) that he is as clean a prospect as anyone. Shurmur is probably selling Gettleman on the fact that he made Case Keenum an all-pro caliber player and imagine what he can do with Darnold?

The stars are just lining up for Darnold to be a Giant. Think of it. For a team that needs to win now (maybe the GM/Coach are on a warm seat), you can't take Darnold because he isn't the most pro-ready guy. That would be Rosen. BUT- if you have a 37 year old beloved QB to play for another year and ease his way out gracefully then you go with the guy who can use the grooming but who has one of the highest ceilings of any QB in the last 20 years. Darnold could be Rodgers good or even BETTER. He has that tool set, without the risks of a Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.

In my opinion it's a poker game. The Giants want Darnold like a kid wants a bike on Christmas morning but they are keeping it under wraps. The Browns figure that the Giants want Darnold but don't know for sure. My guess is that a small package (2 3rd rounders) is floated right before draft day to get everyone what they want, which is absolutely fine by me.






RE: ...  
djm : 3/21/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13878018 Eric from BBI said:
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I hope this is not true.


And if the qb they trade up for is a winner no one will care.
RE: RE: So basically, if you're saying that Darnold is the prize  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13878545 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13878383 Bill L said:


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and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?



I have a theory- it's just my opinion though. Maybe some of it is wishful thinking.

I think Cleveland has a strong belief in Tyrod Taylor (who is still only 28 and has played pretty well at times- 22-20 record in 3 years in Buffalo with 65 TDs and 14 INT's) and they want to form a new quartet of Taylor, Barkley and Gordon, along with Corey Coleman. That's a pretty nice group there of skill players, and not to mention the TE Njoku flashed last year. If they do this they have ALL of those other picks, including 4 overall (Chubb/Nelson) to work on defense and O-line.

If they didn't love Taylor why would they announce him as the starter before the draft? What if you pick Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield and they come in and light it up in mini camp and training camp?

The Browns look at the Giants and see what we see- a 37 year old QB. They have to be figuring that the Giants have to be high on one of these QB's, which logically to me (based on thinking of how the Giants work) is Darnold. He's the cleanest guy and has been groomed for years in a big time market/program as the next best thing. That's a lot of pressure and he has handled it very well and succeeded, similarly as to how another young QB 14 years ago had the pressure of living up to his all-pro brother and demonstrated in college that the stage wasn't too big for him.

I think Gettleman and Shurmur are salivating over a 20 year old kid with all world athleticism and an off the charts skillset who they can work with and mold into a superstar. Throw in (again) that he is as clean a prospect as anyone. Shurmur is probably selling Gettleman on the fact that he made Case Keenum an all-pro caliber player and imagine what he can do with Darnold?

The stars are just lining up for Darnold to be a Giant. Think of it. For a team that needs to win now (maybe the GM/Coach are on a warm seat), you can't take Darnold because he isn't the most pro-ready guy. That would be Rosen. BUT- if you have a 37 year old beloved QB to play for another year and ease his way out gracefully then you go with the guy who can use the grooming but who has one of the highest ceilings of any QB in the last 20 years. Darnold could be Rodgers good or even BETTER. He has that tool set, without the risks of a Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.

In my opinion it's a poker game. The Giants want Darnold like a kid wants a bike on Christmas morning but they are keeping it under wraps. The Browns figure that the Giants want Darnold but don't know for sure. My guess is that a small package (2 3rd rounders) is floated right before draft day to get everyone what they want, which is absolutely fine by me.






If the Giants do like Darnold as much as you suggest then I would be perfectly fine with giving up a 2019 1st round pick and Ereck Flowers. The Browns need a LT and perhaps they will be interested in seeing if Flowers could blossom with a change of scenery. It would also clear cap space to help sign these draft picks.
Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.  
Ivan15 : 3/21/2018 5:51 pm : link
Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.  
allstarjim : 3/21/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13878581 Ivan15 said:
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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.


Yup. I've thought the same thing when people are saying the Giants control the draft. First of all, no one team controls the draft. You control your pick, and that pick might be worth more or less than other picks in a trade...obviously, the Giants #2 pick is pretty valuable.

But the Browns own the #1 and the #4 pick, they definitely have a lot more draft power than the Giants.
Now this would make me throw a remote  
montanagiant : 3/21/2018 6:28 pm : link
But I think it's more likely purposely false info coming out of the Giants themselves to try to up the ante for the 2nd pick
Why does playing a rookie QB matter?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2018 6:29 pm : link
It really doesn't. Eli Manning was an excellent prospect and didn't start until Week 8-9 and only because Warner looked punch drunk and coughed up turnovers like a pez dispenser.
If Giants believe  
joeinpa : 3/21/2018 6:29 pm : link
A franchise guy is there, and they have to trade up to get him, all for it, been saying this for a month.
Three things  
Mike from Ohio : 3/21/2018 6:32 pm : link
1) Nobody on this board knows what the Giants will do. Everyone expressing certainty about it is fooling themselves.

2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.

3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
Look when you have catch words like  
Manning10 : 3/21/2018 6:54 pm : link
"May" "Possible" "Could" " Likely" its usually Bull Shit.
as they do in todays News business just throw something out there including the above words in the statement just to leave yourself an out if it doesn't happen.
RE: Three things  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/21/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13878639 Mike from Ohio said:
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1) Nobody on this board knows what the Giants will do. Everyone expressing certainty about it is fooling themselves.

2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.

3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.


These are all very true
RE: Three things  
Bill L : 3/21/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13878639 Mike from Ohio said:
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1) Nobody on this board knows what the Giants will do. Everyone expressing certainty about it is fooling themselves.

2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.

3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.

4) They might not like any of the 4 better than other options at #2 and may do something else besides pick a qb
RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.  
ColHowPepper : 3/21/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13878581 Ivan15 said:
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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
Giants trade up to get Darnold  
royhobbs7 : 3/22/2018 9:43 am : link
Schefter has been quiet of late.
He needed some attention.

THE GIANTS ARE NOT TRADING UP TO GET DARNOLD.

Just think folks: What do the Giants have that the Browns would want to give them the first pick?

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trade up for #1  
royhobbs7 : 3/22/2018 9:46 am : link
Browns are more likely to trade up to the Giants (from #4) than the Giants are to trade up for #1.

The Browns have more picks than they know what to do with in this draft. Trading down to #2 with the Giants makes zero sense for them. Especially since they desperately need a QB, and have a man crush on Darnold @ #1.
RE: So basically, if you're saying that Darnold is the prize  
royhobbs7 : 3/22/2018 10:08 am : link
In comment 13878383 Bill L said:
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and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?


Correct. This is just Schefter trying to get some attention! Not fake news; just "embellished" news!
RE: RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.  
royhobbs7 : 3/22/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13878847 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 13878581 Ivan15 said:


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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.

Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),


👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
RE: RE: RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.  
Giants in 07 : 3/22/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13879402 royhobbs7 said:
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In comment 13878847 ColHowPepper said:


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In comment 13878581 Ivan15 said:


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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.

Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),



👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).


Well, only one now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.  
royhobbs7 : 3/22/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13879418 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 13879402 royhobbs7 said:


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In comment 13878847 ColHowPepper said:


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In comment 13878581 Ivan15 said:


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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.

Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),



👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).



Well, only one now.


👍 Yep (spoke too quickly), only one ☝️, OBJ. LOL!!!!
Trade up?  
5BowlsSoon : 3/22/2018 11:04 am : link
So, we might give up a second round pick instead of adding one. Why dont I like this?
Trading up is  
OC2.0 : 3/22/2018 4:35 pm : link
A patently ridiculous idea imo. Sorry but drafting somebody at 1 only to sit him isn't an option.
Take Barkley @ 2 and call it good.
RE: Trading up is  
Big Rick in FL : 3/22/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13880968 OC2.0 said:
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A patently ridiculous idea imo. Sorry but drafting somebody at 1 only to sit him isn't an option.
Take Barkley @ 2 and call it good.


Yup ridiculous idea to sit Eli..

A ridiculous idea is drafting a RB to pair with a 37 year old QB who only has 2 years left on his contract coming off a 3-13 season.
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