Schefter says Giants may trade up

In comment 13878135 NoGainDayne said:

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In comment 13878112 twostepgiants said: Quote: And the impetus for this could be Bills trying to get to 1 for Rosen. Maybe they both discovered this during the Bills trade up offer. Ok I keep seeing people saying this. Can you explain what is behind your belief that the Giants want Rosen?

Yes I can. I wrote a whole thread on it
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that contradicts your �conviction� argument. If NYG loves Darnold, and is worried about Rosen�s durability, Allen�s accuracy & Mayfield�s size...they should settle for any of those QB�s? Be aggressive, go get your guy.

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we really love Barkley and are taking him at 2, we want to trade up for a QB, we're trading down with the Bills, or we're trading down with the Browns, or we're trading down with the Broncos. Or we're taking Rosen at 2. What other options are there? Glad we narrowed it down. Let's get upset again at these fantasies.

In comment 13878152 Matt G said:

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Matt, testing out a new gif before you use it liberally in our upcoming BBI Mock Draft? You know I am going to snag all of the guys you are targeting for Cinncy. Ha!

All kinds of scenarios were thrown around. Giants had dinner with Darnold on Monday night. Basically, he speculated that they might trade up to get Darnold - that might be the only way to get him.

The Browns had dinner with Darnold last night and hue Jackson gave him a big hug on the field immediately after his workout today. So who knows.

It did not seem like a big inside scoop.

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In comment 13878154 bceagle05 said:

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a swap with the Giants also guarantees you Saquon Barkley at #4. Giants are moving up for a QB and the Jets are taking a QB. You get Allen or Rosen at #2 and still get Barkley.

That is my thought process as well. If they want Allen over Darnold they can trade down one spot to still get him then let the Jets take Darnold or Mayfield at 3 and get Barkley at 4.

In comment 13878174 NYG07 said:

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In comment 13878154 bceagle05 said: Quote: a swap with the Giants also guarantees you Saquon Barkley at #4. Giants are moving up for a QB and the Jets are taking a QB. You get Allen or Rosen at #2 and still get Barkley. That is my thought process as well. If they want Allen over Darnold they can trade down one spot to still get him then let the Jets take Darnold or Mayfield at 3 and get Barkley at 4.

**Let the Jets take Rosen or Mayfield at 3

In comment 13878045 Rocky369 said:

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and secure a QB. not a single one of these guys proves to be head and shoulders above the rest.

Thanks for the info. Is Gettleman a neighbor?

In comment 13878170 KWALL2 said:

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Go on...?

and I would not be surprised if the top people, including Mara, weren't like us and split on one of more people. Maybe split on Eli, based on their knowledge and experience and conviction, and, like bw says, cowardice. Maybe split on Barkley. Maybe split on the current ability, or potential, or longevity of one of more of the QB's. That's a lot of people who likely think independently. I wouldn't at all be surprised if they had not formed any sort of consensus yet. I would be surprised, though, if the trade up, sacrifice resources, on a player that they were not unanimous/and strongly, enthusiastically unanimous about. And, that is going to take all the way up to the draft, IMO

There are actually very few scenarios that would piss me off - but this is absolutely one of them.

I expect he'll be the new object of every team's desire at QB and the talk will be about the Giants trying to trade up for him. :)

more than 5 weeks left of this constant speculation.

In comment 13878082 jestersdead said:

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In comment 13878034 NoGainDayne said: Quote: Browns prefer Allen (rumors of this for a while) and Giants prefer Darnold. Giants want Darnold (or perhaps Rosen) and don't want to risk the Bills jumping them. I really hope they don't trade up for Barkley. We don't have enough picks. I would be really disappointed if this was the case. And i'm not someone that is against Barkely at 2 I just think trading up for him is a big mistake if we are trying to win something in the next few years, which taking him absolutely is a signal of. I am in no way an Asshat but I have a family friend that works for the team. We had a brief conversation at the start of FA and he mentioned that Darnold is their #1 QB choice, if they go QB

That can't be because from reading here Rosen is clearly so much better. Obviously Gettleman is in over his head and doesn't know how to do his job. /s

agree 100 percent

you're right, giving up a #1 just to go up a few spots is not cheap. Which is why I found it confusing that everyone was panning the Jets move. The Jets didn't have to give up a #1 next year...i think it was a great move for them especially if they love Rosen and Allen (and obviously Darnold).

That being said, the AMOUNT of picks the Giants gave up for Eli was pretty small. They gave up a total of 3 picks, and one was a 5th rounder.

I think if Giants only got 3 picks and not a 1st from Denver to move down to 5 to take Nelson/Chubb, people would be freaking out

When you are in striking range of a franchise QB, you do it. I am in the camp that thinks it is absolutely ridiculous to take a RB at 2.

In comment 13878077 Eric from BBI said:

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Because it would amount to us having a one player draft. Is there really THAT big a difference between Darnold and Rosen? Hell, there may be other QB's in this class who end up being better.

This.

Makes no sense to trade up when they are assured of getting a difference maker at 2. Makes more sense to trade down to 5 if Denver is willing.

I can't wait for the draft to come and go.

trading up for Darnold at 1 would be criminal. he's not even the best QB in the class, Rosen is.

the Chargers used one of those picks, a 3RD ROUNDER on a kicker...yikes.

There are 2 QBs to take and Darnold isn't one of them.

Mayfield is a better prospect. It he was taller we would have 3 high end prospects at QB. He gets dinged for the height. Even with this knock, hes a prospect than Darnold.

If Giants are at 2 and go QB its Rosen or Allen.

If it�s for a QB that they are in love with enough to warrant moving up and not risk losing him, so be it. Do it.

Driving up desperation of teams wanting to trade up and driving up the price by seeming like they�d be giving up a player that they want too. Has to be done.

there's no guarantee that Browns would consider if they have him rated at the top of their board as well.

then trading up is fine. I wouldn't agree with that evaluation based on what I've seen, but they're the guys making the call.

The people in that building know their history, especially Mara. He knows how the Eli trade worked out. If he has a conviction on Darnold I think they'll make it happen.

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Yes and no. When I was talking about conviction, I wasn't talking about a player to trade up for from the #2 spot. As I posted above, it's more palatable if you really believe Darnold is THAT much superior to everyone else.

But this Giants team has a bunch of holes and I'd hate coming away from this draft with just one player. That all said, if Darnold ends up being the only Franchise QB in this draft, it would be a defensible move.

In comment 13878154 bceagle05 said:

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a swap with the Giants also guarantees you Saquon Barkley at #4. Giants are moving up for a QB and the Jets are taking a QB. You get Allen or Rosen at #2 and still get Barkley.

This is a good point but it is leverage for us then

Mayfield is a better NFL prospect than Sam Darnold? I don't think anyone that works in some NFL capacity would agree with you on that.

In comment 13878216 Nysportsfn13 said:

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trading up for Darnold at 1 would be criminal. he's not even the best QB in the class, Rosen is.

You heard it here, case closed. /s

what will we have one pick in the draft .....

....we LOVE Barkley!

fact is, they saw Rosen and Barkley yesterday....Darnold today. The brass hasn't even sat down to discuss it. This just Schefter reaching, I believe. Of the Giants using the media to create firestorms.

how there could be one single guy, that is heads over the other guys and is so much better than them that he is worth blowing the whole draft to get...but the team we would trade with, who is far more desperate and is worse situated at the same spot than we are, would be ambivalent about a couple players so would drop to an either/or position. Essentially, for this to work, the clubs would have to have two radically different logic sets, working on the same problem.

In comment 13878018 Eric from BBI said:

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I hope this is not true.

me too. This is the one thing I posted about a few months. The 1 scenario could potentially be disastrous. Trade up, trade picks, and have the guy not be the guy.

to get the Bills to anny up their offer.

In comment 13878280 Andy in Boston said:

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fact is, they saw Rosen and Barkley yesterday....Darnold today. The brass hasn't even sat down to discuss it. This just Schefter reaching, I believe. Of the Giants using the media to create firestorms.

And like I said earlier, wait until Friday's Josh Allen Pro Day and see what all the media types will be saying then.

In comment 13878284 Andy in Boston said:

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In comment 13878018 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I hope this is not true. me too. This is the one thing I posted about a few months. The 1 scenario could potentially be disastrous. Trade up, trade picks, and have the guy not be the guy.

That also takes DG's statement about being wrong at QB setting you back for 5 years, doubling down by increasing the risk and also the length of setback with a mistake. It seems very contradictory.

in the the opinion of at least one other team in the top five.

Ben Allbright is a sports radio guy in Denver who has impressed me as being tuned in.


Benjamin Allbright
‏Verified account @AllbrightNFL
1h1 hour ago

Fwiw: Team picking in the top 5 to me "he [Darnold] is a lock to them [Browns] at #1..."

Allbright also has a photo on his twitter page of Browns owner Haslam sitting in the stands with Darnold's parents.

Browns are going to take their guy.

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In comment 13878069 bw in dc said:

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And that's a huge advantage. His body type reminds me of Aikman. It would take some brass balls to go up and get him... And if Jints Central does, it raises this question - why not play him, then, right away?

And Aikman was forced to retire because of injuries.

...never trade up to #1.

N.E.V.E.R.

Maybe Mayfield... This would be my nightmare scenario...

I think we take Rosen at #2. There was an article in NJ.com on Gettleman saying QB's needing to succeed in the pocket (progressions, etc.). Based on what we've seen, that's what he does better than anyone. And, he's accurate.

To Eric From BBI's point from earlier in this thread, the Giants need players. I can't see them giving the whole draft away for one guy, especially Darnold.

In comment 13878297 clatterbuck said:

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In comment 13878069 bw in dc said: Quote: And that's a huge advantage. His body type reminds me of Aikman. It would take some brass balls to go up and get him... And if Jints Central does, it raises this question - why not play him, then, right away? And Aikman was forced to retire because of injuries.

This is really your reply?

That�s as silly as me saying that because Arnold has the same body type he�ll therefore be a Hall of Famer....

we all know that when Accorsi was in a position to draft a QB he coveted he pulled the trigger on a blockbuster trade. I trust that DG will be realistic and won't overpay, but the fact that they are having conversations is not surprising.

In comment 13878295 shyster said:

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in the the opinion of at least one other team in the top five. Ben Allbright is a sports radio guy in Denver who has impressed me as being tuned in. Benjamin Allbright ‏Verified account @AllbrightNFL 1h1 hour ago Fwiw: Team picking in the top 5 to me "he [Darnold] is a lock to them [Browns] at #1..." Allbright also has a photo on his twitter page of Browns owner Haslam sitting in the stands with Darnold's parents. Browns are going to take their guy. Link - ( New Window )

I've been thinking they have been going Darnold at 1 for some time. Giants have their own options Rosen, Barkley trade down. No worries.

In comment 13878111 ryanmkeane said:

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give up that much for Eli. We gave up a 3rd in 2004, 1st and 5th in 2005. By today's standards, that is really not much at all to go get your guy.

And if I remember correctly if the deal didn't go through they would have been "stuck" with Roethlisberger who would have been their next choice after Eli. (Rivers was the Chargers preferred QB over Ben).

Can we really say the 3 QBs were THAT much different?
(I know "past history is not indicative.....")

My guess is, the Giants prefer Darnold. He is far more NFL ready than Allen. But I think Allen has a slightly higher upside.