Dave: Listen, I know that we are both desperate for QB's. We know that there is really only one guy who can be a great QB. Because there is only one guy, we will give you are really good asset, a really high draft pick (that we also need, but it's worth it because, you've got to get that guy) to trade with us. Then, you can take the other guy.
So basically, if you're saying that Darnold is the prize
The question is whether the Giants love either Rosen or Allen. If not, then its reasonable to assume Barkley or a trade down is very much the play there.
That could be right- its getting old quite fast.
Like the giants have 5 choices so you have a 20 percent chance of being right so may as well put one out there.
Trade down - Barkley, qb, Chubb, trade up. These people all have no clue right now.
Yes, he has some things he can improve on -some tweaks to motion and ball security, but he is young and will benefit from sitting a year behind Eli and with our coaching gurus.
I think he's a Luck level talent and as see guys like Brady, Brees, etc moving on, Darnold will be firmly among the next great wave.
and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?
I have a theory- it's just my opinion though. Maybe some of it is wishful thinking.
I think Cleveland has a strong belief in Tyrod Taylor (who is still only 28 and has played pretty well at times- 22-20 record in 3 years in Buffalo with 65 TDs and 14 INT's) and they want to form a new quartet of Taylor, Barkley and Gordon, along with Corey Coleman. That's a pretty nice group there of skill players, and not to mention the TE Njoku flashed last year. If they do this they have ALL of those other picks, including 4 overall (Chubb/Nelson) to work on defense and O-line.
If they didn't love Taylor why would they announce him as the starter before the draft? What if you pick Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield and they come in and light it up in mini camp and training camp?
The Browns look at the Giants and see what we see- a 37 year old QB. They have to be figuring that the Giants have to be high on one of these QB's, which logically to me (based on thinking of how the Giants work) is Darnold. He's the cleanest guy and has been groomed for years in a big time market/program as the next best thing. That's a lot of pressure and he has handled it very well and succeeded, similarly as to how another young QB 14 years ago had the pressure of living up to his all-pro brother and demonstrated in college that the stage wasn't too big for him.
I think Gettleman and Shurmur are salivating over a 20 year old kid with all world athleticism and an off the charts skillset who they can work with and mold into a superstar. Throw in (again) that he is as clean a prospect as anyone. Shurmur is probably selling Gettleman on the fact that he made Case Keenum an all-pro caliber player and imagine what he can do with Darnold?
The stars are just lining up for Darnold to be a Giant. Think of it. For a team that needs to win now (maybe the GM/Coach are on a warm seat), you can't take Darnold because he isn't the most pro-ready guy. That would be Rosen. BUT- if you have a 37 year old beloved QB to play for another year and ease his way out gracefully then you go with the guy who can use the grooming but who has one of the highest ceilings of any QB in the last 20 years. Darnold could be Rodgers good or even BETTER. He has that tool set, without the risks of a Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.
In my opinion it's a poker game. The Giants want Darnold like a kid wants a bike on Christmas morning but they are keeping it under wraps. The Browns figure that the Giants want Darnold but don't know for sure. My guess is that a small package (2 3rd rounders) is floated right before draft day to get everyone what they want, which is absolutely fine by me.
and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?
I have a theory- it's just my opinion though. Maybe some of it is wishful thinking.
I think Cleveland has a strong belief in Tyrod Taylor (who is still only 28 and has played pretty well at times- 22-20 record in 3 years in Buffalo with 65 TDs and 14 INT's) and they want to form a new quartet of Taylor, Barkley and Gordon, along with Corey Coleman. That's a pretty nice group there of skill players, and not to mention the TE Njoku flashed last year. If they do this they have ALL of those other picks, including 4 overall (Chubb/Nelson) to work on defense and O-line.
If they didn't love Taylor why would they announce him as the starter before the draft? What if you pick Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield and they come in and light it up in mini camp and training camp?
The Browns look at the Giants and see what we see- a 37 year old QB. They have to be figuring that the Giants have to be high on one of these QB's, which logically to me (based on thinking of how the Giants work) is Darnold. He's the cleanest guy and has been groomed for years in a big time market/program as the next best thing. That's a lot of pressure and he has handled it very well and succeeded, similarly as to how another young QB 14 years ago had the pressure of living up to his all-pro brother and demonstrated in college that the stage wasn't too big for him.
I think Gettleman and Shurmur are salivating over a 20 year old kid with all world athleticism and an off the charts skillset who they can work with and mold into a superstar. Throw in (again) that he is as clean a prospect as anyone. Shurmur is probably selling Gettleman on the fact that he made Case Keenum an all-pro caliber player and imagine what he can do with Darnold?
The stars are just lining up for Darnold to be a Giant. Think of it. For a team that needs to win now (maybe the GM/Coach are on a warm seat), you can't take Darnold because he isn't the most pro-ready guy. That would be Rosen. BUT- if you have a 37 year old beloved QB to play for another year and ease his way out gracefully then you go with the guy who can use the grooming but who has one of the highest ceilings of any QB in the last 20 years. Darnold could be Rodgers good or even BETTER. He has that tool set, without the risks of a Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.
In my opinion it's a poker game. The Giants want Darnold like a kid wants a bike on Christmas morning but they are keeping it under wraps. The Browns figure that the Giants want Darnold but don't know for sure. My guess is that a small package (2 3rd rounders) is floated right before draft day to get everyone what they want, which is absolutely fine by me.
If the Giants do like Darnold as much as you suggest then I would be perfectly fine with giving up a 2019 1st round pick and Ereck Flowers. The Browns need a LT and perhaps they will be interested in seeing if Flowers could blossom with a change of scenery. It would also clear cap space to help sign these draft picks.
Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.
Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup. I've thought the same thing when people are saying the Giants control the draft. First of all, no one team controls the draft. You control your pick, and that pick might be worth more or less than other picks in a trade...obviously, the Giants #2 pick is pretty valuable.
But the Browns own the #1 and the #4 pick, they definitely have a lot more draft power than the Giants.
It really doesn't. Eli Manning was an excellent prospect and didn't start until Week 8-9 and only because Warner looked punch drunk and coughed up turnovers like a pez dispenser.
1) Nobody on this board knows what the Giants will do. Everyone expressing certainty about it is fooling themselves.
2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.
3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
"May" "Possible" "Could" " Likely" its usually Bull Shit.
as they do in todays News business just throw something out there including the above words in the statement just to leave yourself an out if it doesn't happen.
1) Nobody on this board knows what the Giants will do. Everyone expressing certainty about it is fooling themselves.
2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.
3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
1) Nobody on this board knows what the Giants will do. Everyone expressing certainty about it is fooling themselves.
2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.
3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
4) They might not like any of the 4 better than other options at #2 and may do something else besides pick a qb
RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.
Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
Browns are more likely to trade up to the Giants (from #4) than the Giants are to trade up for #1.
The Browns have more picks than they know what to do with in this draft. Trading down to #2 with the Giants makes zero sense for them. Especially since they desperately need a QB, and have a man crush on Darnold @ #1.
RE: So basically, if you're saying that Darnold is the prize
Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
RE: RE: RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.
Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
Well, only one now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Browns own the hammer. They are in control of the draft.
Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
Well, only one now.
👍 Yep (spoke too quickly), only one ☝️, OBJ. LOL!!!!
If that means trading up to do so sacrificing picks, so be it.
Everyone in NFL circles knows it.
When he rolls out on the boot though, he looks amazing.
It's been pretty obvious for some time if you pay attention.
The question is whether the Giants love either Rosen or Allen. If not, then its reasonable to assume Barkley or a trade down is very much the play there.
Like the giants have 5 choices so you have a 20 percent chance of being right so may as well put one out there.
Trade down - Barkley, qb, Chubb, trade up. These people all have no clue right now.
I think he's a Luck level talent and as see guys like Brady, Brees, etc moving on, Darnold will be firmly among the next great wave.
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And that's a huge advantage.
His body type reminds me of Aikman. It would take some brass balls to go up and get him...
And if Jints Central does, it raises this question - why not play him, then, right away?
And Aikman was forced to retire because of injuries.
At the age of 37.
I have a theory- it's just my opinion though. Maybe some of it is wishful thinking.
I think Cleveland has a strong belief in Tyrod Taylor (who is still only 28 and has played pretty well at times- 22-20 record in 3 years in Buffalo with 65 TDs and 14 INT's) and they want to form a new quartet of Taylor, Barkley and Gordon, along with Corey Coleman. That's a pretty nice group there of skill players, and not to mention the TE Njoku flashed last year. If they do this they have ALL of those other picks, including 4 overall (Chubb/Nelson) to work on defense and O-line.
If they didn't love Taylor why would they announce him as the starter before the draft? What if you pick Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield and they come in and light it up in mini camp and training camp?
The Browns look at the Giants and see what we see- a 37 year old QB. They have to be figuring that the Giants have to be high on one of these QB's, which logically to me (based on thinking of how the Giants work) is Darnold. He's the cleanest guy and has been groomed for years in a big time market/program as the next best thing. That's a lot of pressure and he has handled it very well and succeeded, similarly as to how another young QB 14 years ago had the pressure of living up to his all-pro brother and demonstrated in college that the stage wasn't too big for him.
I think Gettleman and Shurmur are salivating over a 20 year old kid with all world athleticism and an off the charts skillset who they can work with and mold into a superstar. Throw in (again) that he is as clean a prospect as anyone. Shurmur is probably selling Gettleman on the fact that he made Case Keenum an all-pro caliber player and imagine what he can do with Darnold?
The stars are just lining up for Darnold to be a Giant. Think of it. For a team that needs to win now (maybe the GM/Coach are on a warm seat), you can't take Darnold because he isn't the most pro-ready guy. That would be Rosen. BUT- if you have a 37 year old beloved QB to play for another year and ease his way out gracefully then you go with the guy who can use the grooming but who has one of the highest ceilings of any QB in the last 20 years. Darnold could be Rodgers good or even BETTER. He has that tool set, without the risks of a Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.
In my opinion it's a poker game. The Giants want Darnold like a kid wants a bike on Christmas morning but they are keeping it under wraps. The Browns figure that the Giants want Darnold but don't know for sure. My guess is that a small package (2 3rd rounders) is floated right before draft day to get everyone what they want, which is absolutely fine by me.
And if the qb they trade up for is a winner no one will care.
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and everybody knows it, why on earth would Cleveland give it up?
I have a theory- it's just my opinion though. Maybe some of it is wishful thinking.
I think Cleveland has a strong belief in Tyrod Taylor (who is still only 28 and has played pretty well at times- 22-20 record in 3 years in Buffalo with 65 TDs and 14 INT's) and they want to form a new quartet of Taylor, Barkley and Gordon, along with Corey Coleman. That's a pretty nice group there of skill players, and not to mention the TE Njoku flashed last year. If they do this they have ALL of those other picks, including 4 overall (Chubb/Nelson) to work on defense and O-line.
If they didn't love Taylor why would they announce him as the starter before the draft? What if you pick Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield and they come in and light it up in mini camp and training camp?
The Browns look at the Giants and see what we see- a 37 year old QB. They have to be figuring that the Giants have to be high on one of these QB's, which logically to me (based on thinking of how the Giants work) is Darnold. He's the cleanest guy and has been groomed for years in a big time market/program as the next best thing. That's a lot of pressure and he has handled it very well and succeeded, similarly as to how another young QB 14 years ago had the pressure of living up to his all-pro brother and demonstrated in college that the stage wasn't too big for him.
I think Gettleman and Shurmur are salivating over a 20 year old kid with all world athleticism and an off the charts skillset who they can work with and mold into a superstar. Throw in (again) that he is as clean a prospect as anyone. Shurmur is probably selling Gettleman on the fact that he made Case Keenum an all-pro caliber player and imagine what he can do with Darnold?
The stars are just lining up for Darnold to be a Giant. Think of it. For a team that needs to win now (maybe the GM/Coach are on a warm seat), you can't take Darnold because he isn't the most pro-ready guy. That would be Rosen. BUT- if you have a 37 year old beloved QB to play for another year and ease his way out gracefully then you go with the guy who can use the grooming but who has one of the highest ceilings of any QB in the last 20 years. Darnold could be Rodgers good or even BETTER. He has that tool set, without the risks of a Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.
In my opinion it's a poker game. The Giants want Darnold like a kid wants a bike on Christmas morning but they are keeping it under wraps. The Browns figure that the Giants want Darnold but don't know for sure. My guess is that a small package (2 3rd rounders) is floated right before draft day to get everyone what they want, which is absolutely fine by me.
If the Giants do like Darnold as much as you suggest then I would be perfectly fine with giving up a 2019 1st round pick and Ereck Flowers. The Browns need a LT and perhaps they will be interested in seeing if Flowers could blossom with a change of scenery. It would also clear cap space to help sign these draft picks.
Yup. I've thought the same thing when people are saying the Giants control the draft. First of all, no one team controls the draft. You control your pick, and that pick might be worth more or less than other picks in a trade...obviously, the Giants #2 pick is pretty valuable.
But the Browns own the #1 and the #4 pick, they definitely have a lot more draft power than the Giants.
2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.
3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
as they do in todays News business just throw something out there including the above words in the statement just to leave yourself an out if it doesn't happen.
2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.
3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
These are all very true
2) Everybody on this board expressing an opinion on the QBs is an amateur with an opinion, nothing more. The certainty about who is and is not "the guy" from a group of fans is silly. Have your opinions, but you look foolish when you say it like it is established knowledge.
3) Different teams will like different players better. It is possible the Ginats are sold on Darnold (or any other guy). as head and shoulders better than the other QBs, while the Browns, Jets, Bills, Broncos, etc all come to different conclusions. It's silly to believe that if the Giants like one guy more every other team has reached that same conclusion.
4) They might not like any of the 4 better than other options at #2 and may do something else besides pick a qb
He needed some attention.
THE GIANTS ARE NOT TRADING UP TO GET DARNOLD.
Just think folks: What do the Giants have that the Browns would want to give them the first pick?
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Browns have more picks than they know what to do with in this draft. Trading down to #2 with the Giants makes zero sense for them. Especially since they desperately need a QB, and have a man crush on Darnold @ #1.
Correct. This is just Schefter trying to get some attention! Not fake news; just "embellished" news!
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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
Well, only one now.
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In comment 13878581 Ivan15 said:
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Giants have no control over this draft until Browns (or someone else) makes the #1 pick.
Yup, and to boot, Giants have the Reese Curse hanging over them. Reese/Ross depleted the roster such that in many drafts teams KNEW who the Giants HAD to draft because of need and a bereft roster and in some cases traded up, Conklin/Floyd (Apple), then there was Scherff/Beaseley (Flowers),
👍🏻 Reese and Ross have left their urea for Gettleman.
We only have TWO draft choices left between 2010-14 (JPP & OBJ).
Well, only one now.
👍 Yep (spoke too quickly), only one ☝️, OBJ. LOL!!!!
Take Barkley @ 2 and call it good.
Take Barkley @ 2 and call it good.
Yup ridiculous idea to sit Eli..
A ridiculous idea is drafting a RB to pair with a 37 year old QB who only has 2 years left on his contract coming off a 3-13 season.