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What is with the "smoke screen" obsession

Breeze_94 : 3/21/2018 2:32 pm
The Giants do not have to deceive anyone. They are picking 2nd in the draft, not 9th or 10th. There is only 1 team in front of them, and I think it is pretty obvious that the Browns are taking a QB, likely Darnold.

Who the Browns take has NOTHING to do with what information the Giants put out. The Browns hired several very smart talent evaluators who will make a decision based on their own beliefs, not a decision based off of the Giants moves/rumors.

Every move the Giants make does not have to be a smokescreen. If they go to a pro day or have a private workout, they are doing it to gather information on a player who they would consider. They are not doing it to have some crazy reverse psychology effect that influences the Browns decision makers.
the Browns don't have to make the #1 pick  
Rocky369 : 3/21/2018 2:34 pm : link
anyone could jump in front to take whoever it is the Giants would like. It's part due diligence, part smoke. Why is everything considered 100% one thing or another?
Well,  
Keith : 3/21/2018 2:35 pm : link
it came from Gettleman. It's a conscious effort to keep their intentions in house. It's not a made up bbi thing.
The obsession is part of the smoke screen  
Vanzetti : 3/21/2018 2:36 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2018 2:36 pm : link
Let me preface my comments in saying that the Giants may be the worst at hiding their intentions.

But hiding your intentions is a must.

If the Giants don't intend to trade down, if they convince the Browns they are drafting someone else, then the Browns may risk not taking a guy thinking the Giants and Jets will pass on him. (Giants could have someone they covet fall into their laps by duping the Browns).

More likely is that if the Giants trade down a few spots, they still could get their guy if no one has a clue who they are drafting.

The problem for the Giants is that they have done the reverse...advertised their intentions only to watch teams trade up in front of us.
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Breeze_94 : 3/21/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13878068 Eric from BBI said:
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Let me preface my comments in saying that the Giants may be the worst at hiding their intentions.

But hiding your intentions is a must.

If the Giants don't intend to trade down, if they convince the Browns they are drafting someone else, then the Browns may risk not taking a guy thinking the Giants and Jets will pass on him. (Giants could have someone they covet fall into their laps by duping the Browns).

More likely is that if the Giants trade down a few spots, they still could get their guy if no one has a clue who they are drafting.

The problem for the Giants is that they have done the reverse...advertised their intentions only to watch teams trade up in front of us.


I guess the only smoke screen that makes sense is trying to get the Browns to take Barkley at #1, but I don't think the Browns are dumb enough to pass on a QB once again.
Bullsh-t...  
bw in dc : 3/21/2018 2:40 pm : link
The draft is a poker game. Smokescreens, false information, using Russia, etc should be employed by Jints Central. It's smart and it may lead to an offer Jints Central can't refuse...

Let's wake up here, okay?
Breeze_94  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2018 2:42 pm : link
Let's say the Giants crave Barkley and everyone knows it. They risk losing him to a team that trades to the #1 spot by advertising that.

It's happened before to the Giants, going all the way back to the 1980s.
Its not just for the Browns.  
Keith : 3/21/2018 2:43 pm : link
It should be for the teams after them too. I don't understand this thread at all. There are multiple benefits to hiding our intentions and 0 benefits to letting them be known.
Eric  
ryanmkeane : 3/21/2018 2:50 pm : link
who on the Giants has said they are drafting? It is all media conjecture that the Giants are drafting Barkley. They just sent their entire team (other than Gettleman) to watch Rosen and Darnold, and only had a few at Barkley's pro day. They really haven't signaled anything to suggest they are definitely drafting Barkley.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13878116 ryanmkeane said:
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who on the Giants has said they are drafting? It is all media conjecture that the Giants are drafting Barkley. They just sent their entire team (other than Gettleman) to watch Rosen and Darnold, and only had a few at Barkley's pro day. They really haven't signaled anything to suggest they are definitely drafting Barkley.


They never announce who they are drafting but everyone in the media always seems to know. And that's what is happening again with Barkley this year.
RE: Eric  
bw in dc : 3/21/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13878116 ryanmkeane said:
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who on the Giants has said they are drafting? It is all media conjecture that the Giants are drafting Barkley. They just sent their entire team (other than Gettleman) to watch Rosen and Darnold, and only had a few at Barkley's pro day. They really haven't signaled anything to suggest they are definitely drafting Barkley.


I don't agree. I have to imagine their is a smoke screen campaign using media contacts. If not, I'd be hugely disappointed...
Breeze_94  
ZogZerg : 3/21/2018 2:53 pm : link
I couldn't disagree more with your thread.

Take a look at the "Giants may trade up" rumor that just got posted.

The Giants can not let folks know what they are thinking. They can maximize their position that way.
It's called being  
Ira : 3/21/2018 2:54 pm : link
professional.
Everyone knows that it's Barkley, yet...  
Mike in Prescott : 3/21/2018 2:57 pm : link
... we have a strong rumor of trade up? And now a strong rumor about Darnold?

Can we agree that there is a concerted smoke sscreen effort happening now? Last week we were talking about Chubb and Nelson, right?

It is my sincere hope that the Giants are FINALLY engaging in the chess match. More will be revealed.
RE: RE: Eric  
micky : 3/21/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13878122 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13878116 ryanmkeane said:


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who on the Giants has said they are drafting? It is all media conjecture that the Giants are drafting Barkley. They just sent their entire team (other than Gettleman) to watch Rosen and Darnold, and only had a few at Barkley's pro day. They really haven't signaled anything to suggest they are definitely drafting Barkley.



They never announce who they are drafting but everyone in the media always seems to know. And that's what is happening again with Barkley this year.


If anything like the coaching hiring this year by them, then no the media doesn't know like one would believe..js
heck nobody knows what they are doing  
micky : 3/21/2018 3:15 pm : link
except the people involved working with draft over at Quest Diagnostics in E Rutherford.

Exactly!!!  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/21/2018 3:19 pm : link
It's not like they can entice a trade partner by pretending to be interested or not interested in someone. They have tons of options regardless of what CLE does with the first pick.
exactly.  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/21/2018 3:29 pm : link
no one can jump the Giants but one other team, and that's not happening when the Browns are taking their future QB at 1. all this "smoke screen" stuff put out is not to deceive anyone.

The Giants absolutely like ALL of Barkley, CHubb and Nelson, and believe that Eli does have a few good years left, how much they like them or believe that about eli remains to be seen, but they're being truthful.
Smoke screens  
idiotsavant : 3/21/2018 3:41 pm : link
Smoke bombs

Too much beans

Unrelated side comments

False leads

Fake blonds

Drag Queens

Things ain't what they seem.
I wonder how many GM;s coaches ect.  
Bluesbreaker : 3/21/2018 3:48 pm : link
consider Barkley the best player in the draft I think he is
I don't think anybody is gonna pay the price to get him at
#1 .
The Giants play poker  
arniefez : 3/21/2018 3:48 pm : link
with all their cards showing. If their fans don't understand why that's a competitive disadvantage those fans are probably stupid enough to fill a horrible stadium with PSL's.
Its on the card on BBI Bingo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2018 3:50 pm : link
"smoke screen"
"china doll"
"hog mollie"
"cluster draft"
"pre-madonna"
They are a part of it  
Joey in VA : 3/21/2018 3:50 pm : link
But I think people are obsessed with the subterfuge idea and they think every bit of information is disinformation. I personally don't buy it, you don't send a contingent to waste their time, you do it for more information not to bluff.
RE: RE: Eric  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 3/21/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13878122 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13878116 ryanmkeane said:


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who on the Giants has said they are drafting? It is all media conjecture that the Giants are drafting Barkley. They just sent their entire team (other than Gettleman) to watch Rosen and Darnold, and only had a few at Barkley's pro day. They really haven't signaled anything to suggest they are definitely drafting Barkley.



They never announce who they are drafting but everyone in the media always seems to know. And that's what is happening again with Barkley this year.


Who says the guy we really want isnt Darnold?
Perhaps  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/21/2018 3:54 pm : link
the fact that we've heard numerus contradictory reports?

Their looming to trade down, then they are looking to trade up.

What else could one conclude other than a smokscreen?
It doesn't take a tremendous amount of guessing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2018 3:54 pm : link
to speculate that the Giants, at 2, might like Barkley.

When a beat writer says that, that doesn't mean they have insider information. They're connecting the dots between team need and likely to be available player. Just like they do every year. It still doesn't mean they actually know that's the case.
The draft is a crapshoot, but fans  
CT Charlie : 3/21/2018 4:50 pm : link
think it's poker.
We don't need a smokescreen. Giants just need to keep their mouths  
Ivan15 : 3/21/2018 5:47 pm : link
shut until it is their turn to pick.
RE: The Giants play poker  
bw in dc : 3/21/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13878327 arniefez said:
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with all their cards showing. If their fans don't understand why that's a competitive disadvantage those fans are probably stupid enough to fill a horrible stadium with PSL's.


That made me laugh...lover the poker description...
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