Not very positive on Barkley. He had a better sophomore season. In 2017 Barkley was good at really breaking one open. He had 11 rushing plays of 30+ yards which was good for 3rd among draft RBs. However on 10+ yards just so so. As the article points out his plays of lost yardage are concerning.
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Anytime numbers like these are presented against Barkley, the response that comes back is that Penn State’s offensive line played poorly this season. That may be true, but many of these other running backs played behind weak offensive lines as well. Barkley also had the benefit of playing against light fronts as he had just an average of 6.29 defenders in the box, the fewest in the class. Truth be told, Barkley is a boom-or-bust runner who relies on his athleticism to beat defenses. He will always be a threat in the receiving game to create big plays, but his resume as a big-play runner leaves a lot to be desired.
I shake my head every time I read a fan post about the "stacked box" Barkley had to face..
Barkleys value is in his receiving ability out of the back field. If you think you're getting a guy who is going to get the tough yards inside the tackles like Zeke, Gurley, or Fournette you're mistaken.
Everyone loves Pro Comps.. My comp is a more explosive Matt Forte.
then he will be right at home with the Giants. :-)
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Surprisingly, the top running back in this class has some concerns in regards to his big-play ability. We have all seen the amazing highlights of Barkley’s big runs, but those didn’t happen as frequently as we want to believe. What is the most concerning is the staggeringly high number of negative runs. Barkley was always looking to hit a big play — and that often resulted in big losses.
Anytime numbers like these are presented against Barkley, the response that comes back is that Penn State’s offensive line played poorly this season. That may be true, but many of these other running backs played behind weak offensive lines as well. Barkley also had the benefit of playing against light fronts as he had just an average of 6.29 defenders in the box, the fewest in the class. Truth be told, Barkley is a boom-or-bust runner who relies on his athleticism to beat defenses. He will always be a threat in the receiving game to create big plays, but his resume as a big-play runner leaves a lot to be desired.
I shake my head every time I read a fan post about the "stacked box" Barkley had to face..
Barkleys value is in his receiving ability out of the back field. If you think you're getting a guy who is going to get the tough yards inside the tackles like Zeke, Gurley, or Fournette you're mistaken.
Everyone loves Pro Comps.. My comp is a more explosive Matt Forte.
Who wrote that junk?
If you are very generous in your interpretation of a box. You can see as soon as the ball is snapped the safeties come crashing down on him unless it's an obvious pass situation. Might not be technically "8 in the box" in a lot of cases, but when you watch his 2018 tape you see that defenses were throwing the kitchen sink at Barkley, and McSorley was an afterthought. Obvious to see on tape. Difference between just looking at stats and watching the games.
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Barkley has .. He will have to get use to the speed and the quick decisions he has to make and cut down on the
negative runs also the leaping ability at the goal line .
Again - Barry Sanders in 1988 put up virtually identical stats to Barkley's last two seasons combined. Stop comparing him to Barry Sanders. He isn't close to the player Sanders was.
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Again - Barry Sanders in 1988 put up virtually identical stats to Barkley's last two seasons combined. Stop comparing him to Barry Sanders. He isn't close to the player Sanders was.
He ran the ball 344 times that year. Personally I believe Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time, but I think Saquon is going to be as good as anyone since Tomlinson and I think he has a very good chance to be as good or better than him.
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Again - Barry Sanders in 1988 put up virtually identical stats to Barkley's last two seasons combined. Stop comparing him to Barry Sanders. He isn't close to the player Sanders was.
He ran the ball 344 times that year. Personally I believe Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time, but I think Saquon is going to be as good as anyone since Tomlinson and I think he has a very good chance to be as good or better than him.
Better than Peterson? really? cmon. highly doubtful
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Again - Barry Sanders in 1988 put up virtually identical stats to Barkley's last two seasons combined. Stop comparing him to Barry Sanders. He isn't close to the player Sanders was.
He ran the ball 344 times that year. Personally I believe Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time, but I think Saquon is going to be as good as anyone since Tomlinson and I think he has a very good chance to be as good or better than him.
Better than Peterson? really? cmon. highly doubtful
Yes. Different kind of RBs. Saquon is more of a complete back than Peterson.
Ryan, I hope you're not insinuating his size indicates he's a successful runner inside the tackles.. I think people assume because of his size he can be a power back but that's just not his style.
When you watch him you'll see his hesitation hitting the crease. He'll stop and stutter his feet. To be an inside runner you have to be decisive and hit the crease hard. Barkley doesn't do that. He almost always looks for the cutback lane (reminds me of Shady this way) or he's trying to bounce it outside. That's who Barkley is as runner.
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Surprisingly, the top running back in this class has some concerns in regards to his big-play ability. We have all seen the amazing highlights of Barkley’s big runs, but those didn’t happen as frequently as we want to believe. What is the most concerning is the staggeringly high number of negative runs. Barkley was always looking to hit a big play — and that often resulted in big losses.
Anytime numbers like these are presented against Barkley, the response that comes back is that Penn State’s offensive line played poorly this season. That may be true, but many of these other running backs played behind weak offensive lines as well. Barkley also had the benefit of playing against light fronts as he had just an average of 6.29 defenders in the box, the fewest in the class. Truth be told, Barkley is a boom-or-bust runner who relies on his athleticism to beat defenses. He will always be a threat in the receiving game to create big plays, but his resume as a big-play runner leaves a lot to be desired.
I shake my head every time I read a fan post about the "stacked box" Barkley had to face..
Barkleys value is in his receiving ability out of the back field. If you think you're getting a guy who is going to get the tough yards inside the tackles like Zeke, Gurley, or Fournette you're mistaken.
Everyone loves Pro Comps.. My comp is a more explosive Matt Forte.
Who wrote that junk?
If you are very generous in your interpretation of a box. You can see as soon as the ball is snapped the safeties come crashing down on him unless it's an obvious pass situation. Might not be technically "8 in the box" in a lot of cases, but when you watch his 2018 tape you see that defenses were throwing the kitchen sink at Barkley, and McSorley was an afterthought. Obvious to see on tape. Difference between just looking at stats and watching the games.
Marcus Mosher is actually well respected.
Watching the games only helps if you know what you're watching..
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Surprisingly, the top running back in this class has some concerns in regards to his big-play ability. We have all seen the amazing highlights of Barkley’s big runs, but those didn’t happen as frequently as we want to believe. What is the most concerning is the staggeringly high number of negative runs. Barkley was always looking to hit a big play — and that often resulted in big losses.
Anytime numbers like these are presented against Barkley, the response that comes back is that Penn State’s offensive line played poorly this season. That may be true, but many of these other running backs played behind weak offensive lines as well. Barkley also had the benefit of playing against light fronts as he had just an average of 6.29 defenders in the box, the fewest in the class. Truth be told, Barkley is a boom-or-bust runner who relies on his athleticism to beat defenses. He will always be a threat in the receiving game to create big plays, but his resume as a big-play runner leaves a lot to be desired.
I shake my head every time I read a fan post about the "stacked box" Barkley had to face..
Barkleys value is in his receiving ability out of the back field. If you think you're getting a guy who is going to get the tough yards inside the tackles like Zeke, Gurley, or Fournette you're mistaken.
Everyone loves Pro Comps.. My comp is a more explosive Matt Forte.
Who wrote that junk?
If you are very generous in your interpretation of a box. You can see as soon as the ball is snapped the safeties come crashing down on him unless it's an obvious pass situation. Might not be technically "8 in the box" in a lot of cases, but when you watch his 2018 tape you see that defenses were throwing the kitchen sink at Barkley, and McSorley was an afterthought. Obvious to see on tape. Difference between just looking at stats and watching the games.
Marcus Mosher is actually well respected.
Watching the games only helps if you know what you're watching..
Do we have any idea by whom?
Seriously, if you want to talk about pre-snap boxes, perhaps that number is right. But in my study, as soon as the ball was snapped, you had linebackers and safeties crashing down.
If the argument is that Saquon Barkley DIDN'T face a great deal of stacked boxes, then I would argue that the person making that statement doesn't know what they are watching OR they haven't even watched.
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Again - Barry Sanders in 1988 put up virtually identical stats to Barkley's last two seasons combined. Stop comparing him to Barry Sanders. He isn't close to the player Sanders was.
This is so right. I have NEVER seen a back anywhere comparable to Sanders. A total freak...the natural.
Rashaad Penny: 3.32 (1st of 58)
Saquon Barkley; 0.46 (57th of 58)
The comparison to McKoy is made in the comments.
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To me it looks like Barkley has that same characteristic.
Barry Sanders
Zeke Elliott
Todd Gurley
Matt Forte
They're already inducting this guy in the Hall of Fame..
This crowd knows nothing about Football. You know how many elite backs win championships? Close to zero. Know how many elite QBs win Super Bowls? Almost all of them. We should be finding an elite replacement to Eli and stop obsessing over a 6 year battering ram.
lol you guys crack me up.
Somehow that would need to be smoothed out.
If back X has five 50+ runs against the Mercers of the world that isn’t as impressive as back Y getting 20+ yard runs against, say, a Tennessee, Auburn, Florida.
In other words, all breakaway runs in college are not created equal...
Barry Sanders
Zeke Elliott
Todd Gurley
Matt Forte
They're already inducting this guy in the Hall of Fame..
This crowd knows nothing about Football. You know how many elite backs win championships? Close to zero. Know how many elite QBs win Super Bowls? Almost all of them. We should be finding an elite replacement to Eli and stop obsessing over a 6 year battering ram.
lol you guys crack me up.
Sure, it's so simple - that's why Aaron Rogers, the best QB in the sport, has only been to one Super Bowl in a decade of being a starter.
Just get an elite QB and you're there!
And boy, that Nick Foles... he sure is elite.
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Adrian Peterson
Barry Sanders
Zeke Elliott
Todd Gurley
Matt Forte
They're already inducting this guy in the Hall of Fame..
This crowd knows nothing about Football. You know how many elite backs win championships? Close to zero. Know how many elite QBs win Super Bowls? Almost all of them. We should be finding an elite replacement to Eli and stop obsessing over a 6 year battering ram.
lol you guys crack me up.
Sure, it's so simple - that's why Aaron Rogers, the best QB in the sport, has only been to one Super Bowl in a decade of being a starter.
Just get an elite QB and you're there!
And boy, that Nick Foles... he sure is elite.
right.. and one super bowl is more than all those guys put together.
Maybe I’m old school but anyway give me the QB at #2 most likely Rosen
Or trade down this talk of Barkley is ridiculous Take the picks and you want
A bell cow? How about Nick Chubb in the 3rd round ?