Something I need to address here.
I've seen it posted here on BBI more than a few times , that the reason why you don't draft a QB with your first pick is because he'll sit on the bench , and that is a waste of salary cap money. So therefore in today's nfl you can't afford to do that.
This is a faulty line of reasoning , and here is why...
Back in 2005 the Green Bay Packers selected Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round.
The Packers had a 35 year old QB playing named Brett Favre.
However they saw that Favre was at the back nine of his career.
By drafting Rodgers , he was able to learn and be groomed behind Favre for 3 years.
So when Rodgers took over in 2008 , there was a seamless transition.
Was salary cap money lost on Aaron Rodgers? Yes
But was it worth it? Absolutely
Why?
Because that time that Aaron sat , he processed exactly what Favre was doing , why he was successful and how the west coast offense worked.
You draft your next franchise QB while your current franchise QB is still good , so he can learn from him , not after he's washed up.
If Davis Webb is the next franchise QB then fine , don't draft one , but if he is not the next guy , then this is what you should do.
The Broncos and Browns have learned from this mistake....
Sadly yes. There are many who don't understand that the draft it about building for future of the franchise not just the present.
More than one "veteran" back up of his over the years have said they learned more about playing the QB position from having understudied under him than they had even as starters on other teams.
This sums it up.
This sums it up.
That's assuming they believe the player their drafting is a franchise QB. If they don't they better not use the #2 pick on him. And I would go as far as if they truly believed that about one of them you draft him regardless of Webb. Just increases the chances of them at least being right about one of them.
This sums it up.
And just how do you determine that Webb is the next franchise QB with a new coaching staff that hasn't seen him play and no real practices before the draft? If they pass on a QB because they are taking a leap of faith on Webb then we are in big trouble. That's the problem they are basing their hope on college film which lead to him being a late 3rd round pick last year.
I am not saying I know this guy will be a good NFL QB, but there are some real reasons he dropped in the draft, and there are some good arguments that he could develop into a good NFL QB given time. He will have that here with Eli still here, if this were a given, and the Giants are not in love with any of these QB's, then you can see why Barkley would be very intriguing at 2.
You also could see a scenario where the Bills offer so much that the Jets make an insane counter offer, and we end up with Barkley and extra picks.
That was my first question about the post as well.
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If Davis Webb is the next franchise QB then fine , don't draft one , but if he is not the next guy , then this is what you should do.
This sums it up.
And just how do you determine that Webb is the next franchise QB with a new coaching staff that hasn't seen him play and no real practices before the draft? If they pass on a QB because they are taking a leap of faith on Webb then we are in big trouble. That's the problem they are basing their hope on college film which lead to him being a late 3rd round pick last year.
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In comment 13878470 JohnB said:
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If Davis Webb is the next franchise QB then fine , don't draft one , but if he is not the next guy , then this is what you should do.
This sums it up.
And just how do you determine that Webb is the next franchise QB with a new coaching staff that hasn't seen him play and no real practices before the draft? If they pass on a QB because they are taking a leap of faith on Webb then we are in big trouble. That's the problem they are basing their hope on college film which lead to him being a late 3rd round pick last year.
Thats not completely fair. True they haven’t seen him in an NFL game, but I don’t think that there’s any question that they know more about him than they do any player in the current draft. And it’s not true that they haven’t seen him in NFL practices. Some have seen him live but all have seen extensive practice film against bona fide NFL players. They’ve not seen as much f him as they would like and I’m not discounting game conditions, but the same holds true for the QBs in the draft. True they don’t know his full potential and ability yet and he was a lower draft pick than these guys (although some people had him as a first rounder) so you might surmise that there is a difference between he and them, but let’s not give in to complete hyperbole.
Exactly Bill
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Who is making this claim? I haven't seen it.
That was my first question about the post as well.
Who is making this claim you say?
Here it is , here is just one of them , but this same argument has been made several times over the past week , and I needed to address it....
It reads "If you go QB and you sit him for 2 years , it's a disaster. The new nfl dictates these kids play right away."
This is about the gist of it , but over the last week I've heard similar arguments about how using a 1st rd pick on a QB is a waste of salary cap money and space.
I am not saying I know this guy will be a good NFL QB, but there are some real reasons he dropped in the draft, and there are some good arguments that he could develop into a good NFL QB given time. He will have that here with Eli still here, if this were a given, and the Giants are not in love with any of these QB's, then you can see why Barkley would be very intriguing at 2.
You also could see a scenario where the Bills offer so much that the Jets make an insane counter offer, and we end up with Barkley and extra picks.
This isn't correct... Baker Mayfield won the starting job with Webb was there, but got dinged up and Webb came in and was lights out. Webb was going to be the starter so Mayfield transferred to Oklahoma. Webb with Mahomes there started and got hurt. Mahomes took over to finish the year and had a good year. The next year Webb and Mahomes battled it out in a close battle and they decided to go with Mahomes who was young. Webb stayed all year, but after the year was up Webb left as a grad transfer to Cal.
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In comment 13878503 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13878470 JohnB said:
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If Davis Webb is the next franchise QB then fine , don't draft one , but if he is not the next guy , then this is what you should do.
This sums it up.
And just how do you determine that Webb is the next franchise QB with a new coaching staff that hasn't seen him play and no real practices before the draft? If they pass on a QB because they are taking a leap of faith on Webb then we are in big trouble. That's the problem they are basing their hope on college film which lead to him being a late 3rd round pick last year.
Thats not completely fair. True they haven’t seen him in an NFL game, but I don’t think that there’s any question that they know more about him than they do any player in the current draft. And it’s not true that they haven’t seen him in NFL practices. Some have seen him live but all have seen extensive practice film against bona fide NFL players. They’ve not seen as much f him as they would like and I’m not discounting game conditions, but the same holds true for the QBs in the draft. True they don’t know his full potential and ability yet and he was a lower draft pick than these guys (although some people had him as a first rounder) so you might surmise that there is a difference between he and them, but let’s not give in to complete hyperbole.
Exactly Bill
I agree 100%
Now that he has a year under his belt and the Giants got a close look at his work habits, reading defense, foot work under center, etc. They know how he is going to preform on an NFL roster.
Does it make him a better prospect than the 4 QBs coming out? Idk
It's a good bet Gettleman and Shurmer are stack ranking Webb in that way.
Thanks Josh in the city
This sums it up.
Thanks