Could recent smoke about Giants interest in Barkley, spur the Browns to Trade up to 4 for Barkley, surrendering a similar haul to what the Bears got to move up one spot (2 first round picks (4th overall, and 2019 1st round pick), a 3rd and a 4th) and then a second trade down to Buffalo for 2 firsts, 2 2nds, a 4th, and a 2019 1st? We could really turn the #2 pick into an absolute haul in this sort of scenario, and I could see the Browns wanting to move up to secure a Barkley type since they will have their franchise quarterback and would want to pair . him with a generational running back.
I believe they have narrowed it down to 3 players.
Sam Darnold
Saquon Barkley
Quenton Nelson
In their dream scenario, the Browns take Barkley or Josh Allen, leaving them their top QB, in Darnold. It doesn’t appear this is going to happen. They may explore getting up to 1 to secure their next franchise QB, like was reported by Shefter, but the price will probably be too steep. That leaves them sitting at 2, picking between, Barkley and Nelson. Should they stay there, not liking any trade options that have been offered, they take the best player in the draft. Saquon Barkley.
I believe in this scenario, they will try one of 2 things. Get the Jets to jump up from 3 to 2, ala Chicago last year, for them to grab their QB. They probably already had trade talks but dropping to 6 wasn’t an option for NYG, due to missing out on Barkley and Nelson in that scenario.
So, they either try to move down to 3, gather a pick or two and draft Barkley.
Or, if they can get an even better deal, pick-wise from Denver, they move down to 5 and still get Nelson.
If Denver doesn’t want one of the QBs, and Buffalo can somehow get to 5, those talks may open back up. Buffalo would make multiple deals to get into the top 2. This would allow NYG to secure Nelson along with multiple picks.
Just my train of thought. Blast away!
I believe they have narrowed it down to 3 players.
Sam Darnold
Saquon Barkley
Quenton Nelson
In their dream scenario, the Browns take Barkley or Josh Allen, leaving them their top QB, in Darnold. It doesn’t appear this is going to happen. They may explore getting up to 1 to secure their next franchise QB, like was reported by Shefter, but the price will probably be too steep. That leaves them sitting at 2, picking between, Barkley and Nelson. Should they stay there, not liking any trade options that have been offered, they take the best player in the draft. Saquon Barkley.
I believe in this scenario, they will try one of 2 things. Get the Jets to jump up from 3 to 2, ala Chicago last year, for them to grab their QB. They probably already had trade talks but dropping to 6 wasn’t an option for NYG, due to missing out on Barkley and Nelson in that scenario.
So, they either try to move down to 3, gather a pick or two and draft Barkley.
Or, if they can get an even better deal, pick-wise from Denver, they move down to 5 and still get Nelson.
If Denver doesn’t want one of the QBs, and Buffalo can somehow get to 5, those talks may open back up. Buffalo would make multiple deals to get into the top 2. This would allow NYG to secure Nelson along with multiple picks.
Just my train of thought. Blast away!
I have no special insight into the situation, but I'm looking at it pretty much like you are. May come down to draft day ...
I have no doubt we will be sitting at #2 on draft night... either selecting there or trading back while we’re on the clock. Nothing will change beforehand, IMO
I agree! That’s why 6 (previously Jets) and 12 (Bills) aren’t really in play.
3 (Barkley) or 5 (Nelson) are the options if not sticking at 2..
If you can't see picks 1,2 and 3 being QBs, you're not watching very closely.
It doesn't benefit the Giants to do anything until Draft Night except for trading up.
If you can't see picks 1,2 and 3 being QBs, you're not watching very closely.
I, personally, can see that happening. Not sure it will. All depends on the medicals for Rosen. If they sign off on it, he’s a Giant. But QB-QB-QB isn’t the only option come draft night.
This shit is fascinating.
After picking first the browns may want to move up from #4 to grab Barkely as well.
The Jets could want to move up
The Bills could want to move up
The Broncos could want to move up
A surprise team might want to move up.
In any case DG could move back several times to stockpile 2nd and 3rd rounders, or 2019 picks.
And you'd have to REALLY love a freaking guard to not want all that. And there are multiple other rb's that could help this team a lot besides Barkley
I think it's very possible
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Dont try and get too cute..
I agree! That’s why 6 (previously Jets) and 12 (Bills) aren’t really in play.
3 (Barkley) or 5 (Nelson) are the options if not sticking at 2..
I agree but would add 4 in there as well for either guy. I can see Buffalo offering a huge deal to Cleveland to move up to 4, and then trying to jump the Jets and get to 2. Giants still get Barkley if they trade back to 4. QB's go 1-2-3. I'm
After picking first the browns may want to move up from #4 to grab Barkely as well.
The Jets could want to move up
The Bills could want to move up
The Broncos could want to move up
A surprise team might want to move up.
In any case DG could move back several times to stockpile 2nd and 3rd rounders, or 2019 picks.
And you'd have to REALLY love a freaking guard to not want all that. And there are multiple other rb's that could help this team a lot besides Barkley
I think it's very possible
I’d watch out for the Dolphins at 11 and the Chargers at 17
I believe they have narrowed it down to 3 players.
Sam Darnold
Saquon Barkley
Quenton Nelson
In their dream scenario, the Browns take Barkley or Josh Allen, leaving them their top QB, in Darnold. It doesn’t appear this is going to happen. They may explore getting up to 1 to secure their next franchise QB, like was reported by Shefter, but the price will probably be too steep. That leaves them sitting at 2, picking between, Barkley and Nelson. Should they stay there, not liking any trade options that have been offered, they take the best player in the draft. Saquon Barkley.
I believe in this scenario, they will try one of 2 things. Get the Jets to jump up from 3 to 2, ala Chicago last year, for them to grab their QB. They probably already had trade talks but dropping to 6 wasn’t an option for NYG, due to missing out on Barkley and Nelson in that scenario.
So, they either try to move down to 3, gather a pick or two and draft Barkley.
Or, if they can get an even better deal, pick-wise from Denver, they move down to 5 and still get Nelson.
If Denver doesn’t want one of the QBs, and Buffalo can somehow get to 5, those talks may open back up. Buffalo would make multiple deals to get into the top 2. This would allow NYG to secure Nelson along with multiple picks.
Just my train of thought. Blast away!
This all make sense and may be exactly right. But I just find it hard to believe you pass on all those trade options you're waving off here just to make sure you obtain a specific guard. For me, it's either QB1/Barkely or cashing in on one or more trade backs for a haul of players
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Hope I don’t get blasted. Just my opinion.
I believe they have narrowed it down to 3 players.
Sam Darnold
Saquon Barkley
Quenton Nelson
In their dream scenario, the Browns take Barkley or Josh Allen, leaving them their top QB, in Darnold. It doesn’t appear this is going to happen. They may explore getting up to 1 to secure their next franchise QB, like was reported by Shefter, but the price will probably be too steep. That leaves them sitting at 2, picking between, Barkley and Nelson. Should they stay there, not liking any trade options that have been offered, they take the best player in the draft. Saquon Barkley.
I believe in this scenario, they will try one of 2 things. Get the Jets to jump up from 3 to 2, ala Chicago last year, for them to grab their QB. They probably already had trade talks but dropping to 6 wasn’t an option for NYG, due to missing out on Barkley and Nelson in that scenario.
So, they either try to move down to 3, gather a pick or two and draft Barkley.
Or, if they can get an even better deal, pick-wise from Denver, they move down to 5 and still get Nelson.
If Denver doesn’t want one of the QBs, and Buffalo can somehow get to 5, those talks may open back up. Buffalo would make multiple deals to get into the top 2. This would allow NYG to secure Nelson along with multiple picks.
Just my train of thought. Blast away!
This all make sense and may be exactly right. But I just find it hard to believe you pass on all those trade options you're waving off here just to make sure you obtain a specific guard. For me, it's either QB1/Barkely or cashing in on one or more trade backs for a haul of players
A couple of things. First off, I don’t disagree wit you at all. I’m open to dealing back, getting a boatload of picks and reshaping this roster. However, DG has said a few things that makes me doubt that happens. ‘Let’s be honest. We have to fix the offensive line.’ ‘Hog mollies.’ ‘Don’t get cute.’ ‘Big men allow you to compete.’
Nelson may not be the man at #2, but he is a great option in the right situation.
Completely fair.. I think I'm leaning towards a tradeback because only having 5 picks feels so shallow for a team with so many needs. In the end it won't matter the strategy chosen, just how good the players turn out
I'm with you on that. If they're not going QB at 2, the farthest I want them trading back (if at all) would be to 5. They'd still get one of the top tier players there and some picks to help either this year or next.
No way I want them going back to 12. I'd much rather get a top quality guy at 2-5 than lesser quality guys farther back. It's quality over quantity for me.
If QB #4 is their guy,Buffalo can move to #4 spot unless Browns are hot for SB, QN, or X, then Buffalo moves to #5 for their guy and we score the 12,22,+. Likely end up with 12,22,37,40, +, and at least both teams 2nd in '19.
If Buffalos guy is gone, we get the #5 and go with QN,Chubb,Fitz,X, then the #34and Denver #37.
Minimum of 3 picks RDS. 1+2,could be 6 picks if Buffalo s guy is at #5.
Then at least an extra pick in round 2 in '19, or better, depending on the trade(s).
At least there is flexibility at the #5 as a pivot point, and there are at least. 15-20 players who could help immediately, within the first 12 picks.
Again, if willing.
Unless Buffalo straight out makes an offer we can't refuse.
I’m not sure what I posted was ‘trying to outsmart everyone’... can’t wait for draft night...
Are you referring to mine as well? If so, I’m not seeing how they are unrealistic.
How so?
If DG doesn't want a QB or the Browns take the one he likes, I don't think it's unrealistic at all to see him play a few teams against each other, and the Jets get antsy for their guy and trade from 3>2.
I can also easily see the Broncos at 5 being in play to move up and if someone trades up with Cleveland for #4, that pick could also be in play.
The last one might not be likely, but it's not fantasy, and neither are the others. Teams want the QBs and will make a play for them. Only question is where does DG stand on them? Does he like just 1, more, none?