Sam Darnold analysis - Jeremiah and Casserly

always has been.

-BBI

I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here

Wherever he plays in the nfl, he should have a very good career.

moot anyway since the Browns will probably take him. Rosen's injury history is an unnecessary risk, and Allen is too inaccurate. Darnold is the safest of the "big three," even though Allen has a higher ceiling.

In comment 13878598 Sean said:

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-BBI

I think he's going #1 so for us Darnold probably isn't factoring into the equation.

Even Bucky Brooks, who is a Rosen guy, said he fully expects the Browns to draft Darnold with the top pick.

Jeremiah actually said he'd be "shocked" if Darnold didn't go #1 overall.

In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said:

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I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here

That's pretty damning, those are two shitty QBs.

In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said:

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I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here

Sy, are you posting your usual pre-draft positional prospect breakdowns for us again this year? I know I speak for many when I say we are all greatly looking forward to your first installment. If so, do you have a timeline for the first one? Thanks.

In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said:

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I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here

Really?

Tannnehil was a converted WR to QB and was more athlete than QB. Very raw.

And locker was a panick pick by the Titans, and a guy couldn’t take his eyes off his primary receiver at Washington...

Darnold is more QB than athlete and really surveys the field...

I see nothing remotely comparable to either of those.

In comment 13878625 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said: Quote: I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here Really? Tannnehil was a converted WR to QB and was more athlete than QB. Very raw. And locker was a panick pick by the Titans, and a guy couldn’t take his eyes off his primary receiver at Washington... Darnold is more QB than athlete and really surveys the field... I see nothing remotely comparable to either of those.

I think Sy is comparing Darnold to them as NFL players.

Also, Sy said he sees "some" Tannehill and Locker...and that he is a tough guy to evaluate. I don't think Sy is saying Darnold is a Tannehill clone.

See a little Eli/Kerry Collins in Darnold. He has Eli's willingness to scan a play and keep looking downfield and Collins' build and throwing motion.

And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength.

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And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength.

Favre??? He's nothing like Favre. Favre was a squatty twitchy athlete with a quick release and a cannon, Darnold is nothing like him physically or in play style. Luck maybe but Favre???

I get it - would still like to hear more context from Sy...

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And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength.

But Favre was arm strength and making plays extemporaneously...

Darnold is not that. More crafty than Favre’s athleticism.

Favre comp was last year - that freak Mahomes...

Beyond the build, I don't see Collins. Darnold's throwing motion is "unconventional" to be kind. Collins had a much smoother, cleaner throw.

That said, the only thing I liked about Collins was his throw. It's about the only thing I don't like about Darnold...

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Beyond the build, I don't see Collins. Darnold's throwing motion is "unconventional" to be kind. Collins had a much smoother, cleaner throw. That said, the only thing I liked about Collins was his throw. It's about the only thing I don't like about Darnold...

I think it's the slow wind up and size, remember Collins wind up was very very slow but he did throw a perfect football. You're probably right.

Ball comes way down below the waist during the windup. Like he's throwing a baseball from the outfield.

Here's video of Leftwich: https://youtu.be/PDBhMVDjJbY?t=18

Here's Darnold: https://youtu.be/oehb8dzrQBg?t=20

With Favre holding the record for fumbling, Collins isn't far behind in career all-time fumbles. With Darnold's Doll Hands, he'll be getting stripped often if he doesn't learn to put 2 hands on the ball while scrambling. He never does and it will be a hard habit to correct.

In comment 13878583 SHO'NUFF said:

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always has been.

If I had a good OL and QB wasn’t 37. I would consider Barkley.

As a RS sophomore, he was playing behind a bad offensive line with not so great receivers for the first time in college. The difference in offensive talent between that freshman team and sophomore team is massive. Assuming he's going to throw a bunch of stupid interceptions as a pro assumes that (i) he's not going to look like he did his RS freshmen year and (ii) he's not going to improve from his RS sophomore year, the first time in college he started facing legit pressure.

You’ll love Darnold.

In comment 13878656 Go Terps said:

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Ball comes way down below the waist during the windup. Like he's throwing a baseball from the outfield. Here's video of Leftwich: https://youtu.be/PDBhMVDjJbY?t=18 Here's Darnold: https://youtu.be/oehb8dzrQBg?t=20

I see what you're saying but the release point is a HUGE HUGE difference. Darnold high points the football, his wind up is slow but the release point is still optimal.

In comment 13878656 Go Terps said:

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Ball comes way down below the waist during the windup. Like he's throwing a baseball from the outfield. Here's video of Leftwich: https://youtu.be/PDBhMVDjJbY?t=18 Here's Darnold: https://youtu.be/oehb8dzrQBg?t=20

Leftwich was much longer from start to finish.

In comment 13878661 jeff57 said:

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You’ll love Darnold.

#DollHands

looked like he was eventually throwing a javelin....

The ball definitely comes out fine, it's just pretty funky and opens him to fumbling the ball quite a bit. I suppose that can be coached out of him but it might not be, too.

I still like Jackson best, but of the four that seem to be the consensus I'd take Darnold. The size and feet seem to be the biggest assets.

In comment 13878665 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13878656 Go Terps said: Quote: Ball comes way down below the waist during the windup. Like he's throwing a baseball from the outfield. Here's video of Leftwich: https://youtu.be/PDBhMVDjJbY?t=18 Here's Darnold: https://youtu.be/oehb8dzrQBg?t=20 Leftwich was much longer from start to finish.

That's what she said? To me. I hate being white.

In comment 13878648 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13878641 dep026 said: Quote: And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength. But Favre was arm strength and making plays extemporaneously... Darnold is not that. More crafty than Favre’s athleticism. Favre comp was last year - that freak Mahomes...

Actually Josh Allen has a lot of Favre in him. More so than Mahomes if you ask me.

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In comment 13878661 jeff57 said: Quote: You’ll love Darnold. #DollHands

Ball security can be corrected at the pro level. That’s a coaching burden....

Frankly, I wouldn’t worry about it.

I wonder about Darnold in shitty weather. That motion + slick ball + cold hand would make me wonder a little. That's one thing that Allen would seem to have going for him. Big hand and a huge arm work in the northeast.

In comment 13878675 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13878667 Diver_Down said: Quote: In comment 13878661 jeff57 said: Quote: You’ll love Darnold. #DollHands Ball security can be corrected at the pro level. That’s a coaching burden.... Frankly, I wouldn’t worry about it.

Then I guess Favre, Moon, Collins, et al. were resistant to coaching at the pro level. Some instincts are hard to correct.

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In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said: Quote: I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here Sy, are you posting your usual pre-draft positional prospect breakdowns for us again this year? I know I speak for many when I say we are all greatly looking forward to your first installment. If so, do you have a timeline for the first one? Thanks.

Yes in a about 3 weeks I will begin

In comment 13878672 Amtoft said:

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In comment 13878648 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13878641 dep026 said: Quote: And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength. But Favre was arm strength and making plays extemporaneously... Darnold is not that. More crafty than Favre’s athleticism. Favre comp was last year - that freak Mahomes... Actually Josh Allen has a lot of Favre in him. More so than Mahomes if you ask me.

I see a more athletic Roethlisberg with Allen. But I can sort of see your point....

In comment 13878657 Diver_Down said:

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With Favre holding the record for fumbling, Collins isn't far behind in career all-time fumbles. With Darnold's Doll Hands, he'll be getting stripped often if he doesn't learn to put 2 hands on the ball while scrambling. He never does and it will be a hard habit to correct.

Doll hands...I keep seeing you say this. You know his hands are bigger than Eli's and the same size as Tom Brady's and Ben Roethlisberger's, right? Do you think they all have 'doll hands'?

Let's not all overlook that he is only 20 years old with limited experience. I think Sy's comps are way off base but the guys who mentioned Tony Romo I thought was pretty accurate.
BTW, many "experts have Rosen dropping to the 4th quarterback selected.

In comment 13878656 Go Terps said:

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Ball comes way down below the waist during the windup. Like he's throwing a baseball from the outfield. Here's video of Leftwich: https://youtu.be/PDBhMVDjJbY?t=18 Here's Darnold: https://youtu.be/oehb8dzrQBg?t=20

That footage from Darnold is from 2016. He worked over summer 2017 to shorten it. Everything I've read says that his wind up may not be perfect, but he still has a quick release.

Also, where are some of you guys getting that he doesn't have a strong arm?

In comment 13878702 Sy'56 said:

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In comment 13878622 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said: Quote: I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here Sy, are you posting your usual pre-draft positional prospect breakdowns for us again this year? I know I speak for many when I say we are all greatly looking forward to your first installment. If so, do you have a timeline for the first one? Thanks. Yes in a about 3 weeks I will begin

Thank you, Sy.

In comment 13878600 Sy'56 said:

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I see some Ryan Tannehill/Jake Locker here

Really? All due respect, I couldn't disagree more. Locker had a significant injury history and consistency issues, and Tannehill, there just wasn't enough to evaluate, plus, I don't think he ever had that it factor Darnold has.

To me, he reminds me a bit of both Brett Favre or Tony Romo. Not afraid to throw it down the field, and he's great at feeling the pressure and throwing on the run.

There are some question marks, but I think he has a more realistic upside than the two you mentioned.

In comment 13878708 allstarjim said:

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In comment 13878657 Diver_Down said: Quote: With Favre holding the record for fumbling, Collins isn't far behind in career all-time fumbles. With Darnold's Doll Hands, he'll be getting stripped often if he doesn't learn to put 2 hands on the ball while scrambling. He never does and it will be a hard habit to correct. Doll hands...I keep seeing you say this. You know his hands are bigger than Eli's and the same size as Tom Brady's and Ben Roethlisberger's, right? Do you think they all have 'doll hands'?

My use of Doll Hands doesn't directly relate to hand size, but more his inability to grip a football. They guy drops the ball on the turf too frequently. The same as Doll Hands are useless so are Darnold's.

In comment 13878735 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 13878708 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 13878657 Diver_Down said: Quote: With Favre holding the record for fumbling, Collins isn't far behind in career all-time fumbles. With Darnold's Doll Hands, he'll be getting stripped often if he doesn't learn to put 2 hands on the ball while scrambling. He never does and it will be a hard habit to correct. Doll hands...I keep seeing you say this. You know his hands are bigger than Eli's and the same size as Tom Brady's and Ben Roethlisberger's, right? Do you think they all have 'doll hands'? My use of Doll Hands doesn't directly relate to hand size, but more his inability to grip a football. They guy drops the ball on the turf too frequently. The same as Doll Hands are useless so are Darnold's.

He threw pretty well in the rain at his Pro Day today. I don't think gripping the football will be a problem for him in the NFL. Jordan Palmer who's working with him said they addressed some hand movement changes to address it.

With Webb. He reminds of Tom Brady coming out of college.

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In comment 13878641 dep026 said: Quote: And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength. Favre??? He's nothing like Favre. Favre was a squatty twitchy athlete with a quick release and a cannon, Darnold is nothing like him physically or in play style. Luck maybe but Favre???

Playing styles with favre. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that. But stature and mobility I see a lot of luck.

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With Webb. He reminds of Tom Brady coming out of college.

Why?

In comment 13878770 charlito said:

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With Webb. He reminds of Tom Brady coming out of college.

Other than both being white. What else reminds you of Brady? lol

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In comment 13878643 Joey in VA said: Quote: In comment 13878641 dep026 said: Quote: And Favre in him. Main difference would be arm strength. Favre??? He's nothing like Favre. Favre was a squatty twitchy athlete with a quick release and a cannon, Darnold is nothing like him physically or in play style. Luck maybe but Favre??? Playing styles with favre. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that. But stature and mobility I see a lot of luck.

I was still a little young with favre, but I see both having gunslinger mentalities. Tough. Not afraid of turnovers. I know Darnold darn isn’t near what favres. I don’t know. I definitely don’t see sy comparisons.

Carr? Is Jowarski still an analyst?

Give me opinions from guys who played the position.

NOT He remains me of Sid Luckman whoever the hell that was.

How often does this work trying to overhaul someone’s natural instincts at the pro level? Darnold seems very risky to me, but he does have huge upside