Complete hypothetical - would you make this trade?

Hand on a Bible, I wouldn’t trade OBJ for Cleveland’s *first* pick and maybe not for the first and second either.

A big no. You are trading OBJ for the 6th pick and that's it? highway robbery. DG should be fired if he made that trade. No understanding of what the value of a player like OBJ is if you think he is worth only the 6th pick in the draft.

just NO.

that the majority of this board thinks this team is ‘far away’ & the opportunity to build the team from the inside-out maintaining cap flexibility.

make this team a good vehicle for ELI to show if he has lost it or not. But not at the price of OBJ. Barkley is not proven yet, OBJ is.

....would almost rather draft Chubb and Nelson instead. To optimize the effectiveness of Barkley, you really need an elite receiver to pair him with to open things up.

And damn you to hell if you would think of leaving us (and Eli) with more of Travis King and Roger Lewis on the field.

OBJ is one of the very best players in the league. He's arguably worth more then the #1 pick over all. He's a top 5 skill position player on offense. He's probably a top 15 player. In a contract year!

It's not that I wouldn't consider trading him, I just wouldn't do it for the #6 pick. If you gave me a slew of the Bills picks that's a different story. I would need there 12, both 2nd round picks and a 3.

which we know Mara would never approve.

to consider trading OBJ.

Or maybe trade him for a pressing need,like 3-4 DE.

I'd look into Deforest Buckner,currently playing in the 4-3.

OBJ to indy.

I wouldn't mind it if the Giants got a QB out of the deal. Your trade is too short-sighted. After a year or 2 you have to pray Webb turns into something.

On top of it, now that you traded OBJ, opposing defenses will stack the line. That would be okay -- only if you have a good QB. Okay you have Eli-- but you have a declining ELi.

You're better off proposing the trade to Cleveland in which Cleveland would draft a QB with their 1st and 4th picks and then trade the 4th pick (the 4th pick eventually going to the Giants) to the Giants for their 2nd pick (Barkley) then the Giants get more for trading a 2 pick for a 4 pick.

In reality by the Giants choosing Barkley they block Cleveland from getting him. That would be extremely risky. Cleveland could say "screw you" and go in a different direction.

depend on that video, and how the FO perceive his package of behavior, and his likelihood of being in non-typically Giants behavioral situations going forward.
Also, all that, AND a big pay day upcoming. Can they find a WR or 2, who with EE,SS,SB?, TEs, can create an exciting and successful O that puts up TDs and wins games under a PS/MS offensive scheme such that OBJ was a nice memory?
Risk/Reward.
Sure is tempting if you love the player and his play, but fear a suspension(s) because of his history of 'nonconformity?'.
As GM I would only decide after a very long talk with OBJ, and how I felt after it. Whatever the consensus of opinion with the 6+/- key FO people, thats my move. If it is only me, I'm leaning to make the move pre conversation.
Its about the organization, and the team, not a player.

So we get 2 cost-controlled blue-chip prospects and Indy gets a 1 year rental before paying him? Can we trade Barkley in 5 years for 2 more blue-chip prospects? If it works, then we can trade Nelson for 2 more blue-chip prospects.

But yea I’d make this trade.

for a guard. Hard pass.

You take a position of strength on a team with a ton of holes and now create one more additional hole while losing the teams best player.

for everyone who says this team is ‘far away’ which I don’t necessarily buy considering this is the NFL, from a cap standpoint does it make sense to give Beckham massive money?

is far away, you draft a QB #2, not a running back

Mike Lombardi said last week that if the Giants are serious about rebuilding they should trade Beckham.

For the sixth pick overall it's a no brainer. I doubt Indy would accept it.

In comment 13878941 Sean said:

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for everyone who says this team is ‘far away’ which I don’t necessarily buy considering this is the NFL, from a cap standpoint does it make sense to give Beckham massive money?

Sean think of it this way:
OBJ has played his entire career on a team that has had zero running game, a horrible offensive line, no real WR 2 to take any heat off, and until last year no threat at TE. For the last two years, he has played under a completely unimaginative vanilla offense with horrid play calling.

Now considering that look at what the hell the kid accomplished then imagine what he is going to be able to do when we can utilize play-action because we finally have a line that can block semi-decently and a RB who is actually a threat (I'm not even thinking Barkley, the second tier RBs are really good) plus a TE with a year under his belt.

What OBJ has done given what he had to work with is amazing

Nope.

This team needs more elite talent, not less.

Indy would need a clean bill of health for OBJ. But the time is right. OBJ is a transcendent talent who also happens to be a immature jerk off. Let Indy deal with his solar system complex, distractions, and desire to be paid like a QB...

I wouldn’t draft SB and Nelson. I’d still go QB and Nelson or Chubb and Nelson.

That’s giving ODB away.

By internet tionally eschewing good players. It’s like we want to be the Marlins.

In comment 13878967 Bill L said:

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By internet tionally eschewing good players. It’s like we want to be the Marlins.

Me neither.

Probably the best offensive player to ever wear this uniform and half the base is spending their free time conjuring up every possible scenario where we can get rid of him.

This offense has been downright abysmal without him on the field. Let's get him healthy and figure out a way to actually protect our QB and run the football and watch what happens.

LOL

Also, if you trade Beckham, it creates another HUGE hole @ WR where we would then have nothing but Sterling Shepard.

We'd need to fill two outside roles and we already have plenty of other holes to fill.

You'd be trading Beckham for picks that you'd wind up using 1 or two of on WR anyway with the hope that you get someone even remotely as talented.

It seems counterproductive and pointless.

LOL

and broncos probably take nelson anyway

id think about it for the browns 1 and 4 but id want a WR back and then we can pick Darnold Barkley and Nelson

In comment 13878948 Go Terps said:

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Mike Lombardi said last week that if the Giants are serious about rebuilding they should trade Beckham. For the sixth pick overall it's a no brainer. I doubt Indy would accept it.

Utterly ridiculous

In comment 13878984 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13878967 Bill L said: Quote: By internet tionally eschewing good players. It’s like we want to be the Marlins. Me neither. Probably the best offensive player to ever wear this uniform and half the base is spending their free time conjuring up every possible scenario where we can get rid of him. This offense has been downright abysmal without him on the field. Let's get him healthy and figure out a way to actually protect our QB and run the football and watch what happens.

Best offensive player to ever wear the uniform?

I get that I have made clear that I don't like the guy, but let's not pretend there hasn't been exaggeration on the other side. The guy isn't even the best in the league at his position, and hasn't even been a first team All Pro.

The guy clearly has great ability, but I would take it easy with the proclamations. Let's see him earn it first.

In comment 13878984 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13878967 Bill L said: Quote: By internet tionally eschewing good players. It’s like we want to be the Marlins. Me neither. Probably the best offensive player to ever wear this uniform and half the base is spending their free time conjuring up every possible scenario where we can get rid of him. This offense has been downright abysmal without him on the field. Let's get him healthy and figure out a way to actually protect our QB and run the football and watch what happens.

Best offensive player to ever wear the uniform?

I get that I have made clear that I don't like the guy, but let's not pretend there hasn't been exaggeration on the other side. The guy isn't even the best in the league at his position, and hasn't even been a first team All Pro.

The guy clearly has great ability, but I would take it easy with the proclamations. Let's see him earn it first.

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But the sixth pick would be the starting point looking for additional picks this year or performance scales for next year starting with no less than a third round pick which could bring me to a first round pick in either 2019 or 2020 colts choice.

Do you think it was a mistake picking OBJ?

For the record, I think you're really undervaluing OBJ

after we take a QB with our 1st pick. With Cleveland on the clock and Barkley still available, I would trade OBJ for Clevelands' #4 and their first pick in the 2nd round. Then, I would select Barkley.

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after we take a QB with our 1st pick. With Cleveland on the clock and Barkley still available, I would trade OBJ for Clevelands' #4 and their first pick in the 2nd round. Then, I would select Barkley.

And with picks #32 and #33 who do you pick? I like your idea, but I would want a WR and OL with the 2nd round picks.

In comment 13879012 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 13878948 Go Terps said: Quote: Mike Lombardi said last week that if the Giants are serious about rebuilding they should trade Beckham. For the sixth pick overall it's a no brainer. I doubt Indy would accept it. Utterly ridiculous

Its not insane, gmen would get two cap controlled players. It would benefit the salary cap

they also have to get rid of Eli Manning. That would mean a complete top to bottom rebuild.

Enough with the foolishness already.

for a draft pick. A known quantity for an unknown is not a good bet.