In the event of a trade down with the Bills

If we can't have our future franchise QB or Barkley or any of the other blue chip players in the draft, I at least want the best O-Line in football (as well as 2019 first rounder from Buffalo).

nailed it: Marcus Davenport at #12.

In comment 13878971 AcidTest said:

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nailed it: Marcus Davenport at #12.

Same.. that would be my pick.

At 22 I would be going for a guard or a CB

Has me stumped, #22 might be Alexander, if he lasts that long( may be the 12), an LT or LB, and I like the 34, especially if Price's pec is not an issue.
I like the thread.

I don’t get the interest so high?

In comment 13878978 Ivan15 said:

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I don’t get the interest so high?

I think he's better. More athletic and not as raw as JPP was coming out.

It's a very good chance Barkley, Nelson, Chubb are better than you can get at 12 and 21 combined

Nelson, Chubb or Fitzpatrick plus lots of picks in the second round or next years 1st rround pick .

with them.

12. Marcus Davenport/Roquan Smith
22. Jaire Alexander/Justin Reid
34. Ronald Jones/Guice
53. Braden Smith
56. O'Neil/Okorofor/Rankin

and a 1st rounder next year.

IMO you can't even compare Barkley to that haul. It's a no brainer to me and I LOVE Barkley as a prospect. Like he might be my favorite prospect of the last 10 years other than Myles Garrett, Andrew Luck and Clowney.

The only way the Giants stay at 2 is if they are taking a QB.

In comment 13878980 Nysportsfn13 said:

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It's a very good chance Barkley, Nelson, Chubb are better than you can get at 12 and 21 combined

There are good players in every draft. Just because you are picking higher doesnt always mean that your getting a better player...

I think the Giants can go both ways.. They can get a stud early on in the draft.. but they have holes to fill..

Or they can gt several very good players and fill several holes.. Dont forget any trade with Buffalo isnt just for the 12 and 22.. Its more than likely an extra #2 (probably #56) and the Giants would probably ask for Buffalo's #1 next year.. (they would probably have to send back a #5 next year to Buffalo to make the " math " work)

That means the Giants would get 2 #1's and 2 #2's..

They could easily address OL, Defensive Front Seven (LB or DL), RB and CB within the first two rounds.. as well as picking up an addition #1 the following year..

I dont see that as a bad thing...

In comment 13878986 TMS said:

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Nelson, Chubb or Fitzpatrick plus lots of picks in the second round or next years 1st rround pick .

Fitzpatrick is going to slip a bit. Apparently talent evaluators like Derwin James over him as a safety, and have Denzel Ward as the top rated DB overall.

In comment 13878989 Breeze_94 said:

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12. Marcus Davenport/Roquan Smith 22. Jaire Alexander/Justin Reid 34. Ronald Jones/Guice 53. Braden Smith 56. O'Neil/Okorofor/Rankin and a 1st rounder next year. IMO you can't even compare Barkley to that haul. It's a no brainer to me and I LOVE Barkley as a prospect. Like he might be my favorite prospect of the last 10 years other than Myles Garrett, Andrew Luck and Clowney. The only way the Giants stay at 2 is if they are taking a QB.

I dont think Buffalo gives up that much.. they still need to build a team LOL.. but I would definitely ask for it !!

If they don't want to give up that much, then I tell them to kick rocks. The Giants have all of the leverage here. They either get a haul from the QB desperate Bills, or they stay at #2 and get a great player/franchise QB for themselves.

The Jets helped the Giants out by trading up to 3. They made the Giants pick more valuable due to the fact that the top QB's are going to be off the board with at least 2 of the top 3 picks. The Bills would love to jump in front of their AFC east rival and grab a franchise QB, but there is a price to pay for that.

with our first pick unless we take a QB. Then lets do business; Nelson, Chub. Fitzpatrick are all top guys, unless DG does not think they are. I will go with him.we want to get back in play NOW. MO

If you want him, need to get him at 12. Just trust me on that one. Garrett Bolles was taken at 20 last year, which is low for the top tackle in the draft to be taken. To illustrate, in 2016 there were 4 OT's taken by pick 20, and two of them were in the top 10. McGlinchey is also a better prospect than Bolles.

So, you have to go McGlinchey at 12 if you want him.

I also think Josh Jackson will be off the board by then, but I see Jaire Alexander as a 2nd rounder.

For 12 I think Roquan Smith will be gone no later than the Raiders but he's a guy I'd like. I could also see Derwin James...and because I'm an FSU Homer and because I would love to see Derwin James play alongside Landon Collins, that would be my pick. Watch for Tampa to take James, though. If Smith and James we're off the board, I would take McGlinchey at 12 no problem. If that means kicking Flowers or McGlinchey inside to OG for a year or two so be it. McGlinchey will eventually be my LT.

At number 22 I love Isaiah Wynn. James Daniels might be the better fit though. Could also see Taven Bryan if still on the board, but he scares me and my Spidey senses are saying "bust" with him. Rasheem Green perhaps as an heir apparent to JPP.

At 34 I have to go RB here or at the Buffalo 2nd rounder I'm assuming we got in the deal. I like Rashaad Penny, and if it's a Buffalo pick at 53 or 56, I like his teammate Chubb. If I have Penny by 53, then I'm looking at a CB like Alexander or Carlton Davis.

If the Bills do not give us next years first then we tell them to kick rocks as you say. Because we can just stay at 2 and get the franchise qb? But yet you just said that we can get the franchise qb who is by far and away the most critical position but you would trade it away to get a bunch of role players to solid players in exchange so the Bills can take the franchise qb? And all those players you guys name are not going to be drafted by the Giants. Chances are half those guys are not picked or more and the ones picked high a much higher chance of being DeOsie vs being great players...I just do not get the line of thinking here

In comment 13878989 Breeze_94 said:

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12. Marcus Davenport/Roquan Smith 22. Jaire Alexander/Justin Reid 34. Ronald Jones/Guice 53. Braden Smith 56. O'Neil/Okorofor/Rankin and a 1st rounder next year. IMO you can't even compare Barkley to that haul. It's a no brainer to me and I LOVE Barkley as a prospect. Like he might be my favorite prospect of the last 10 years other than Myles Garrett, Andrew Luck and Clowney. The only way the Giants stay at 2 is if they are taking a QB.

Lol you’re crazy if you think the Bills are giving up that much to move up 10 spots

In comment 13879031 NYSports1 said:

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If the Bills do not give us next years first then we tell them to kick rocks as you say. Because we can just stay at 2 and get the franchise qb? But yet you just said that we can get the franchise qb who is by far and away the most critical position but you would trade it away to get a bunch of role players to solid players in exchange so the Bills can take the franchise qb? And all those players you guys name are not going to be drafted by the Giants. Chances are half those guys are not picked or more and the ones picked high a much higher chance of being DeOsie vs being great players...I just do not get the line of thinking here

It's more like then we trade with Denver. That would be how I would want to run it. But absolutely there's no deal with either Denver or Buffalo without a 2019 first rounder in the deal. No 2019 first rounder? Non-starter.

But if you get 12, 21, 53, the Bills 3rd rounder, and a 2019 first rounder, then you are at least very close. And yes, you can do that deal because you can get 4 starters in the first 53 picks and still have 2 first rounders next year. You've created a new core of your team and you still have Landon Collins and OBJ, Shep, and Engram to add them too.

In comment 13879040 BigBlue4You09 said:

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In comment 13878989 Breeze_94 said: Quote: 12. Marcus Davenport/Roquan Smith 22. Jaire Alexander/Justin Reid 34. Ronald Jones/Guice 53. Braden Smith 56. O'Neil/Okorofor/Rankin and a 1st rounder next year. IMO you can't even compare Barkley to that haul. It's a no brainer to me and I LOVE Barkley as a prospect. Like he might be my favorite prospect of the last 10 years other than Myles Garrett, Andrew Luck and Clowney. The only way the Giants stay at 2 is if they are taking a QB. Lol you’re crazy if you think the Bills are giving up that much to move up 10 spots

They would give up very close to that and possibly more to get Josh Allen.

12 - Evans
21 - Reid
34 - Connor Williams

Try and grab Billy Price with the other 2nd round pick.

In comment 13879046 ghost718 said:

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12 - Evans 21 - Reid 34 - Connor Williams Try and grab Billy Price with the other 2nd round pick.

Dave Te' thinks Price is not one of the top few centers in this draft. I think he has him 4th best...after James Daniels, Austen Corbett, and Frank Ragnow. I love Frank Ragnow, by the way, and definitely would take him before Billy Price.

.. a QB

that the 34th pick is already ours

A fair trade would be our #2, worth 2600 points on the Trade Value Chart, for the Bills 5 draft picks at #12, #22, #53, #56, & #65 for a value of 2955, the #65 pick being thrown in for good measure to make it a bit lopsided so we can say we fleeced Gettleman's buddy in Buffalo.

We'd end up with 12, 22, 34, 53, 56, 65, & 66 instead of 2, 34, & 66. We'd be giving up a potentially awesome player at #2 though. Five more weeks to mull it over. DG will make the right move.

12. Derrius Guice
22. Isaiah Wynn
34. Carlton Davis

In comment 13879040 BigBlue4You09 said:

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In comment 13878989 Breeze_94 said: Quote: 12. Marcus Davenport/Roquan Smith 22. Jaire Alexander/Justin Reid 34. Ronald Jones/Guice 53. Braden Smith 56. O'Neil/Okorofor/Rankin and a 1st rounder next year. IMO you can't even compare Barkley to that haul. It's a no brainer to me and I LOVE Barkley as a prospect. Like he might be my favorite prospect of the last 10 years other than Myles Garrett, Andrew Luck and Clowney. The only way the Giants stay at 2 is if they are taking a QB. Lol you’re crazy if you think the Bills are giving up that much to move up 10 spots

It's more likely they'll offer the first pick of the 3rd round than both 2nd rounder, but it's not that outlandish that the offer will be in that ball park.

There's a reason they've accrued the collateral. They're all in for a QB.

I still think they'll need an intermediate trade, probably to 6 to get the Giants interested, that'll probably end up more expensive than a straight trade down, but I could see the Giants still getting 6, 22, 53 and a 2019 1st or 2nd in that scenario (although they'd almost certainly have to give something back).

Personally I think the Giants are going QB.