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Justin Pugh comments on Ereck Flowers

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2018 11:37 pm
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“I think it’s gonna be a tough transition going from left tackle to right tackle,’’ Pugh said Wednesday on WFAN. “He’s exclusively played left tackle his entire career, so he’s really got to work on it this offseason. Just keep working his technique. I will say this, Ereck Flowers is the strongest player on that team right now, I guarantee it — pound for pound the strongest guy on that team.’’

“It’s definitely tough, coming from a guy that played left tackle all throughout college, he played for three years in the NFL, going over to the right side, it’s gonna be a big adjustment for him,” Pugh said. “I can speak just from personal experience. He’s got to look forward to the challenge. He’s got to go into it and embrace it, because if he goes into it with the attitude ‘This isn’t fair, that’s not what I signed up for,’ he’s gonna dig himself into a deeper hole. I know Ereck is going to be working his butt off in the offseason. I wish him nothing but the best and the rest of the offensive line.’

Ex-Giants lineman knows hard road ahead of Ereck Flowers - ( New Window )
They both stink  
Creme777 : 3/21/2018 11:44 pm : link
Leave the future (Flowers) to other people. He should just go away.
exclusively at left tackle his entire career including college?  
Del Shofner : 3/21/2018 11:47 pm : link
"As a true freshman at the University of Miami in 2012, Flowers played in all 12 games at right tackle, making four starts."

OK, just one year, but still ... get the facts right.
He’s 100% right and that scares me  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/22/2018 12:01 am : link
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RE: exclusively at left tackle his entire career including college?  
One Man Thrill Ride : 3/22/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 13879047 Del Shofner said:
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"As a true freshman at the University of Miami in 2012, Flowers played in all 12 games at right tackle, making four starts."

OK, just one year, but still ... get the facts right.


Relax, it's Justin Pugh answering a question, not a Big J journalist writing an article.
Nothing wrong  
.McL. : 3/22/2018 12:09 am : link
with what Pugh is saying. He is speaking from his own experience that's its difficult to change positions after a long time...
Going to be tough  
mrvax : 3/22/2018 12:17 am : link
Every move he makes will have to be a mirror image of what he used to do.
He's basically saying he's going to need to work hard  
AdamBrag : 3/22/2018 12:25 am : link
And with Flowers, that's an issue.
Giants need to make sure they  
prdave73 : 3/22/2018 12:27 am : link
have a backup plan in case Flowers doesn't pan out at RT position. They need to make sure they have a good backup either from free agency or Draft. RT is going to be a key position too keep an eye on this off-season.
RE: He's basically saying he's going to need to work hard  
Milton : 3/22/2018 12:29 am : link
In comment 13879062 AdamBrag said:
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And with Flowers, that's an issue.
I don't think he's questioning Flowers's work ethic, but he may be questioning his attitude.
RE: Going to be tough  
Mike from SI : 3/22/2018 12:33 am : link
In comment 13879059 mrvax said:
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Every move he makes will have to be a mirror image of what he used to do.


He can just pretend it's opposite day.
Flowers...  
Existenz : 3/22/2018 12:37 am : link
"He’s got to look forward to the challenge. He’s got to go into it and embrace it..." is my biggest concern. Flowers has just never seemed to have the right attitude or the right desire to put in the effort.
Sadly, i don’t think he’s mentally capable of doing so  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/22/2018 12:46 am : link
. Hope I’m wrong
RE: Flowers...  
2ndroundKO : 3/22/2018 1:07 am : link
In comment 13879069 Existenz said:
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"He’s got to look forward to the challenge. He’s got to go into it and embrace it..." is my biggest concern. Flowers has just never seemed to have the right attitude or the right desire to put in the effort.

He’s shown the desire. He’s just immature.
The ideal scenario re: Flowers is to...  
Milton : 3/22/2018 1:16 am : link
Trade him to a team where he can compete for the left tackle job. Preferably before the draft, but they may be able to score a higher pick in 2019 if they wait until training camp injuries strike.

Short of that, I have no confidence that Flowers will succeed at right tackle. The very best you can hope for is the same kind of inconsistency that we saw at left tackle. And there will be a learning curve just to reach that level.
RE: Flowers...  
MBavaro : 3/22/2018 4:58 am : link
In comment 13879069 Existenz said:
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"He’s got to look forward to the challenge. He’s got to go into it and embrace it..." is my biggest concern. Flowers has just never seemed to have the right attitude or the right desire to put in the effort.


I honestly think, based on reports, Erik worked his ass off last off season.

I have students that work their asses off, and due to other factors, don't get a whole lot better.
he was always slated at a RT  
msh : 3/22/2018 5:15 am : link
with left tackle feet and possible ability to grow into left tackle but they threw him into it day1 and he struggled the new scheme should help shurmur will give him some help with TE and blocking scheme adjustments so he wont be on the island reese/macadoo left him on he is a hard worker if he finally listens about his technique and the move to the right will help he will face more bullrushers than speed rushers on the right side too which is more to his strength they never gave him the shot at RT until now so lets see how that works
This is basically confirming what other (retired) OL have said  
ZogZerg : 3/22/2018 6:37 am : link
about moving Flowers to RT.
One of my problems  
RetroJint : 3/22/2018 6:42 am : link
-about how “natural” a move this is supposed to be is Flowers has a huge problem with hand placement. That doesn’t change by flipping sides . Parcells used to brag that among Boisture, Young and him, he was the only one who thought Jumbo Elliott could play LT. John’s footwork was similar to Flowers. The difference was that once Elliott got his hands on the defender , it was over.

Flowers drops his hands when the rusher begin turning the short corner on him. A good tackle pushes out in those circumstances, at least causing the rusher to go wider, giving the quarterback a chance to move up. So I’m not sure the movement to RT will do that much for him. To me his best hope is Guard .
Left side, right side,  
RottenApple : 3/22/2018 6:48 am : link
it doesn’t matter. His technique has been pitiful since high school.
Ya know, it's too bad that Pugh's production...  
M.S. : 3/22/2018 7:09 am : link

...never rose to the level of his public pronouncements.
Flowers  
Hilary : 3/22/2018 7:12 am : link
Flowers will likely be competing with Wheeler and a 2nd or 3rd round pick for playing time. My guess is that their is a rookie at right tackle this year.
If Flowers ends up at guard, he will be in a similar situation to  
Ivan15 : 3/22/2018 7:21 am : link
Fluker’s - switching positions with an expiring contract.
The best thing for Flowers is to play left guard  
Brown Recluse : 3/22/2018 7:24 am : link
and line up beside Nate Solder every day. Just my opinion.
I think it was Pugh saying  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/22/2018 7:26 am : link
these comments were coming from his perspective as someone who played left tackle his entire college career
If this new staff is worth a damn, they will either coach him up at RT  
Jimmy Googs : 3/22/2018 7:56 am : link
or they will realize Flowers is not worth a damn...
RE: RE: Flowers...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/22/2018 8:03 am : link
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I honestly think, based on reports, Erik worked his ass off last off season.

I have students that work their asses off, and due to other factors, don't get a whole lot better.



This ^

Effort isn't his problem, people are pulling that one out of their ass.

By all accounts he put in a lot of effort before last season. His problem is likely between his ears, which admittedly will be a hurdle moving to RT.

Having said all that, he did show some improvement for a stretch last year before regressing.

But of course, black and white are the only colors around here.
His problem...  
silverfox : 3/22/2018 8:09 am : link
...isn't from the neck down. It's from the neck up.
Flowers is out of here in a year  
twostepgiants : 3/22/2018 8:19 am : link
This is a one year stop gap

He should realize that hes really playing for his career. I think his LT days are over
Pugh also said....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/22/2018 8:50 am : link
....that he doesn't see Flowers playing Guard at all. RT is really the only option.
RE: They both stink  
Section331 : 3/22/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13879045 Creme777 said:
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Leave the future (Flowers) to other people. He should just go away.


He was asked a question and answered it. Why do people get so bent out of shape any time a player makes a comment? As someone who has played all over the OL, Pugh's perspective is good to have. Take it for what it's worth.
I am pretty sure....  
BillKo : 3/22/2018 9:12 am : link
Gettleman is looking at the move to RT as if it works, great. But otherwise, I'll have a contingency plan ready to go.

Giants also have two young prospects too at RT that, hopefully, with a year in the weight program and a year being a pro, could step up too.
He is correct  
PaulN : 3/22/2018 9:13 am : link
Flowers has problems with technique, but it will get better switching positions, LOL. The thought he would be a good right tackle is the joke of the century, he will be off the team first.
How come,  
Doomster : 3/22/2018 12:35 pm : link
the strongest OLman on the team never popped a DE and stopped him in his tracks?
RE: How come,  
Racer : 3/22/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13880240 Doomster said:
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the strongest OLman on the team never popped a DE and stopped him in his tracks?


He never did that run-blocking? As many here have said, you really are pretty useless with what you post around here.
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2018 12:51 pm : link
His strength is exactly why they should be trying to move him inside rather than just flip him over to RT.
So a guy who knows Flowers personally  
Mr. Bungle : 3/22/2018 1:01 pm : link
felt compelled to include:

"...if he goes into it with the attitude ‘This isn’t fair, that’s not what I signed up for,’ he’s gonna dig himself into a deeper hole."

Wonderful.
The good news  
Giantfan in skinland : 3/22/2018 1:04 pm : link
When you have awful sloppy technique on the left slide, it's not hard to re-create it on the right.
RE: So a guy who knows Flowers personally  
SomeFan : 3/22/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13880345 Mr. Bungle said:
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felt compelled to include:

"...if he goes into it with the attitude ‘This isn’t fair, that’s not what I signed up for,’ he’s gonna dig himself into a deeper hole."

Wonderful.


That is probably Flowers' usual attitude and that is why Pugh said it because Pugh knows. I think we should expect a RT disaster if he is starting.
RE: RE: How come,  
SomeFan : 3/22/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13880294 Racer said:
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In comment 13880240 Doomster said:


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the strongest OLman on the team never popped a DE and stopped him in his tracks?



He never did that run-blocking? As many here have said, you really are pretty useless with what you post around here.


I saw a lot of him getting pushed around.
RE: I think it was Pugh saying  
Del Shofner : 3/22/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13879138 gidiefor said:
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these comments were coming from his perspective as someone who played left tackle his entire college career


re-reading the article in hard copy on the subway this morning ... I think you're right, gidie.
RE: How come,  
Red Right Hand : 3/24/2018 6:51 am : link
In comment 13880240 Doomster said:
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the strongest OLman on the team never popped a DE and stopped him in his tracks?
Because he drops his hands at the snap then has no punch.
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