Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN. Per Schefter
The cap saving would be the difference between the two.
I took this from spotrac. May not be quite right given the other numbers in the thread, but the concept is the same:
small net cap save for 2018.
the real question is the savings next year...because FA is pretty much over this year (no big names out there). But what are the savings next year when in theory we have to pay OBJ
spotrac switched JPP's numbers to Tampa Bay's perspective with lightning speed. I didn't catch that at first. Doesn't change bottom line much for 2018 but have to go elsewhere to retrieve the NYG perspective for future years.
many reading too much into this - 29 yo underachiever for top 70 pick
you do that deal every day of the week. Especially when you are trying to clear up future cap space for Collins and OBJ extensions. Unbelievable trade, wish we would have moved on from JPP for a similar deal a few years ago before wasting so much cap room on him. Since the SB season, he has been a mirage.
NFL off-seasons are fucking awesome. We have monster trades and FA signings. Trades have become a backbone to the off-seasons lately. This won't change.
What's the cap savings for 2019 and beyond from this trade?
I may be wrong, but dead cap for 2018 doesn't mean much at this point as the Giants are done in FA, except for filling in holes with cap friendly deals for vets.
In three years I think only six players will still be on this team that Reese drafted or signed:
but he just wasn't the same player since he blew off his hand, and definitely wasn't worth his salary. Good move by DG to dump the salary and pick up a 3rd rounder in the process.
didn't get hosed. That's all we were going to get for a guy missing most of his right hand. And as others have noted, JPP doesn't fit our 3-4 defense, and is not an OLB. Chubb is also better suited for a 4-3, but we'll run a lot of 4-3 looks, he's younger, has all his fingers, and as JonC notes, the Giants love him.
Even on Chubb, I've seen a few people compare him to a more athletic Chandler Jones. Jones got 17 sacks last year under Bettcher playing a mix of 3-4 end and 3-4 olb.
Chubb is not more athletic than Chandler. Jones can spring downfield and cover a receiver. I like Chubb. He compares favorably to Joey Bosa . That works for me.
As far as JPP,inevitable downward spiral . I think DG got what he could . Nice move.
What's the cap savings for 2019 and beyond from this trade?
I may be wrong, but dead cap for 2018 doesn't mean much at this point as the Giants are done in FA, except for filling in holes with cap friendly deals for vets.
In three years I think only six players will still be on this team that Reese drafted or signed:
Snacks
Tomlinson
Collins
Beckham
Engram
Jenkins
Just $2.5M this year. But huge for the future because he's off the books instead of having a $19.5M cap hit in 2019 and $17.5M in 2020
all we got is 2.5 mil in savings and complain about Dead money really takes dead money too seriously. If the Giants needed the 2.5 mil space, it doesn't matter that they got rid of JPP. If we plan on replacing him with draft picks then who cares (draft picks are allotted a certain amount anyway).
I think a trade down is coming too.
One way to look at it is that we turned $15 million of cap into the 69th pick in the draft, as well as freeing up much needed future cap for resignings.
Honestly, I liked Jpp, I actually thought he played hard last year, but he's well on the down slope and he's an awkward fit for a 3-4 base.
So what picks do we have now after the Ogletree and JPP trade?
I'm not done -- I trade with the Broncos to 5 and make them give me picks and one of their defensive dymos -- Von Miller anyone? -- and I then take Chubb at 5
I like Chubb a lot -- he's a pleasure to watch on the field - a true technician with outstanding work ethic
If this was ten years prior you wonder if the Giants would have been able to move this player. Things have dramatically changed in the NFL with contracts and trades.
I look back at the re-signing as no harm no foul. We got an asset in return. Move on. I hope JPP plays at a high level for the Bucs. He was a good NYG player and at times great. Thanks for the memories.
What's the cap savings for 2019 and beyond from this trade?
He had cap hits of $17.5M, $19.5M, and $17.5M remaining (2018-2020) for a total of $54.5M that the Giants would've owed over those 3 years. With the trade they are only on the hook (cap wise) for the $15M remaining on the prorated SB. So they free up ~$40M in cap dollars over the three seasons.
I have not been this ecstatic in a long time? He has flat out sucked for years. I still can't get that play out of my head a few years ago against the Cowboys, where Smith stoned him for literally 7 sec on the game winning drive. No DE, let alone one counting 22 mill against the cap, should allow that to happen to them. Very few DE are worth anything close to that. Look around the league at the truly good DE or edge players and see what they are paid. Nothing close to that. Another horrible signing by Reese. Actually, except for his rookie year, he has stunk against any quality lineman. We also get a high 3rd round pick which is invaluable at this point. Convert that pick to a young LB, CB or RB. Just wow. Great Job!
JPP was not a great fit for what this new defense looks to be.
He's a guy with value, but who never really lived up to the promise of the early stages of his career, and was making way too much money
Getting a 3rd and dealing that contract is a win, especially with the need to sign obj and collins not too far off.
Chubb would absolutely be a fit for this team, but it doesn't mean he's now their target. Everyone needs to stop treating the draft like it's free agency, take the best player for the long term for the franchise.
For what he is being paid, he has greatly under-performed (not to mention it was a bad contract). I think you cut you losses now and reallocate those dollars where you can hopefully get a greater return.
Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
I'm not done -- I trade with the Broncos to 5 and make them give me picks and one of their defensive dymos -- Von Miller anyone? -- and I then take Chubb at 5
I like Chubb a lot -- he's a pleasure to watch on the field - a true technician with outstanding work ethic
wait a minute, are you suggesting the broncos would move von miller to move up in the draft a few spots? I think you accidently grabbed some edibles this morning, holy shit
you know, JPP battled back from his firecracker disability/injury so I commend him for that. he played a significant role in the 2011 championship run. while I think most of us agree he never lived up to his full potential (or contract), I thank him for his service to big blue and wish him luck. I'm sure he doesn't mind being closer to home.
JPP was not a great fit for what this new defense looks to be.
He's a guy with value, but who never really lived up to the promise of the early stages of his career, and was making way too much money
Getting a 3rd and dealing that contract is a win, especially with the need to sign obj and collins not too far off.
Chubb would absolutely be a fit for this team, but it doesn't mean he's now their target. Everyone needs to stop treating the draft like it's free agency, take the best player for the long term for the franchise.
Chubb is almost as bas as a fit for a 3-4 as JPP was, except he has two hands.
Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
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Live cap would have been 12.5.
Dead cap is 11.25
Small saving indeed but not an actual hit.
12 million is small savings?
The cap saving would be the difference between the two.
I took this from spotrac. May not be quite right given the other numbers in the thread, but the concept is the same:
small net cap save for 2018.
the real question is the savings next year...because FA is pretty much over this year (no big names out there). But what are the savings next year when in theory we have to pay OBJ
spotrac switched JPP's numbers to Tampa Bay's perspective with lightning speed. I didn't catch that at first. Doesn't change bottom line much for 2018 but have to go elsewhere to retrieve the NYG perspective for future years.
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And a bunch of cap relief.
What's the cap savings for 2019 and beyond from this trade?
I may be wrong, but dead cap for 2018 doesn't mean much at this point as the Giants are done in FA, except for filling in holes with cap friendly deals for vets.
In three years I think only six players will still be on this team that Reese drafted or signed:
Snacks
Tomlinson
Collins
Beckham
Engram
Jenkins
There's no possible way he could know that for sure. Lombardi is the Ben McAdoo of NFL front office people anyway.
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didn't get hosed. That's all we were going to get for a guy missing most of his right hand. And as others have noted, JPP doesn't fit our 3-4 defense, and is not an OLB. Chubb is also better suited for a 4-3, but we'll run a lot of 4-3 looks, he's younger, has all his fingers, and as JonC notes, the Giants love him.
Even on Chubb, I've seen a few people compare him to a more athletic Chandler Jones. Jones got 17 sacks last year under Bettcher playing a mix of 3-4 end and 3-4 olb.
Chubb is not more athletic than Chandler. Jones can spring downfield and cover a receiver. I like Chubb. He compares favorably to Joey Bosa . That works for me.
As far as JPP,inevitable downward spiral . I think DG got what he could . Nice move.
They're gonna play him at DE in the 3-4? Seems odd to me.
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And a bunch of cap relief.
What's the cap savings for 2019 and beyond from this trade?
I may be wrong, but dead cap for 2018 doesn't mean much at this point as the Giants are done in FA, except for filling in holes with cap friendly deals for vets.
In three years I think only six players will still be on this team that Reese drafted or signed:
Snacks
Tomlinson
Collins
Beckham
Engram
Jenkins
Just $2.5M this year. But huge for the future because he's off the books instead of having a $19.5M cap hit in 2019 and $17.5M in 2020
I think a trade down is coming too.
One way to look at it is that we turned $15 million of cap into the 69th pick in the draft, as well as freeing up much needed future cap for resignings.
Honestly, I liked Jpp, I actually thought he played hard last year, but he's well on the down slope and he's an awkward fit for a 3-4 base.
Good move to do it now and get him off the books for the future.
I like Chubb a lot -- he's a pleasure to watch on the field - a true technician with outstanding work ethic
If this was ten years prior you wonder if the Giants would have been able to move this player. Things have dramatically changed in the NFL with contracts and trades.
I look back at the re-signing as no harm no foul. We got an asset in return. Move on. I hope JPP plays at a high level for the Bucs. He was a good NYG player and at times great. Thanks for the memories.
What's the cap savings for 2019 and beyond from this trade?
He had cap hits of $17.5M, $19.5M, and $17.5M remaining (2018-2020) for a total of $54.5M that the Giants would've owed over those 3 years. With the trade they are only on the hook (cap wise) for the $15M remaining on the prorated SB. So they free up ~$40M in cap dollars over the three seasons.
Are they not counting the $5m prorated signing bonus hit we already have on the books for 2018? That's a bookkeeping $2.5 savings if it is.
He's a guy with value, but who never really lived up to the promise of the early stages of his career, and was making way too much money
Getting a 3rd and dealing that contract is a win, especially with the need to sign obj and collins not too far off.
Chubb would absolutely be a fit for this team, but it doesn't mean he's now their target. Everyone needs to stop treating the draft like it's free agency, take the best player for the long term for the franchise.
The counter would be that a franchise QB changes the team at its most fundamental level too!
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
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I like Chubb a lot -- he's a pleasure to watch on the field - a true technician with outstanding work ethic
wait a minute, are you suggesting the broncos would move von miller to move up in the draft a few spots? I think you accidently grabbed some edibles this morning, holy shit
Another Reese stupid decision. Now if we can unload that waste Vernon, we're set.
you know, JPP battled back from his firecracker disability/injury so I commend him for that. he played a significant role in the 2011 championship run. while I think most of us agree he never lived up to his full potential (or contract), I thank him for his service to big blue and wish him luck. I'm sure he doesn't mind being closer to home.
Nope.
He's potentially there at 12 if you do a deal with the Bills, although I'm not sure he gets past Miami.
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$5m of that was on the books anyway. $12.5m goes away, $10m accelerates. So its a savings of $2.5m in cap.
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scheme fit a non-issue.
They're gonna play him at DE in the 3-4? Seems odd to me.
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Trying to get more ammo to move to 1...
Gentleman is trying to acquire a many assets as he can and may look to acquire as many picks as he can...
Giants are close to a deal with Beckham and first big cap hit will be next year..
Measure nothing and just wanted to get rid of jpp because of his contract and bad fit
He's a guy with value, but who never really lived up to the promise of the early stages of his career, and was making way too much money
Getting a 3rd and dealing that contract is a win, especially with the need to sign obj and collins not too far off.
Chubb would absolutely be a fit for this team, but it doesn't mean he's now their target. Everyone needs to stop treating the draft like it's free agency, take the best player for the long term for the franchise.
Chubb is almost as bas as a fit for a 3-4 as JPP was, except he has two hands.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?