Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN. Per Schefter
on a thread the other day, JPP does not fit well in a 3-4. The fact that DG was able to get anything of value from JPP and his bloated contract is amazing. The signing of Mauro probably should have signaled this. He was a starter with Arizona and Betcher last season. Is OV next or will they try him at OLB?
Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
His cap hit this year would've been $17.5M ($12.5M base + $5M prorated SB). $17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
JPP was not a great fit for what this new defense looks to be.
He's a guy with value, but who never really lived up to the promise of the early stages of his career, and was making way too much money
Getting a 3rd and dealing that contract is a win, especially with the need to sign obj and collins not too far off.
Chubb would absolutely be a fit for this team, but it doesn't mean he's now their target. Everyone needs to stop treating the draft like it's free agency, take the best player for the long term for the franchise.
Chubb is almost as bas as a fit for a 3-4 as JPP was, except he has two hands.
Good with the trade, but if we take Chubb @ 2, I will be furious.
I'd prefer not to take Chubb at #2, but it isn't a "remote thrower." I'd trade back and take Davenport.
Maybe not a remote thrower - but to pass on a QB and a RB as highly-touted as Barkley would tick me off. Chubb @ 2 almost feels like a reach despite him being one of the better players in the draft.
just insane the extent to which DG has already remade this roster: DRC, RIchburg, Pugh, and JPP gone. Marshall, Harris, and Bromley also likely gone as well.
just insane the extent to which DG has already remade this roster: DRC, RIchburg, Pugh, and JPP gone. Marshall, Harris, and Bromley also likely gone as well.
Good. Things need to be shaken up after a 3-13 campaign.
That last contract they gave him was ridiculous. He was being paid like a VERY GOOD DE, and he just isn't that anymore. He’s a guy who never stay’s healthy enough to play a full season, and doesn’t get to the QB much anymore.
Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
His cap hit this year would've been $17.5M ($12.5M base + $5M prorated SB). $17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
This could mean that Gettleman wants to change up the veteran players in the lockerroom. It could mean that he doesn't see JPP as a good fit in the new scheme. It could mean that he is about to sign Odell and wants to clear money.
I still think everyone is overthinking this. Mara made it clear late last season that drafting a QB was a priority(based on scouting). There are 3/4 highly touted QB's expected to go early in this draft that teams are fighting over to move up and draft. So far all of the QB's have proven that they are top tier QB prospects in their various workouts. I'm pretty confident that we are taking a QB.
He's played OLB before. To be frank, he might be better as a 3-4 OLB because he's slightly undersized for a 4-3 end. If you look at his draft profile, it was expected that that would be his position.
That I was right when I was all alone screaming For the Giants not to re-sign a guy with 7 fingers and a serious immaturity problem?
Yeah, right, like you were the only one on this site against re-signing JPP. There were many.
ThatLimerickGuy's really crowing,
Now that Jason Pierre-Paul is going.
But if memory serves,
GoTerps really deserves,
To be one guy whose horn should be blowing.
I don't want to turn this into another draft war, but if there was ever a time to draft a young QB, move on from Eli (after this season) and build the foundation for the next 10 years of Giants football, it's now.
Teams will now inquire about the availability of OBJ! Â
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
Michael Lombardi mentioned on his podcast, that he knows that organizationally the Giants grading scheme would give Chubb an extremely high grade. He was unsure if Gettleman has made any major changes to that scheme, but didn't think so.
No effect on draft...unless they try to move up or down Â
They're gonna play him at DE in the 3-4? Seems odd to me.
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Yeah, I guess? He just looks like such a classic 4-3 DE to me that it's hard to shake it. He's an absolut stud though so he'll be good on the field wherever you play him.
RE: No effect on draft...unless they try to move up or down Â
Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
His cap hit this year would've been $17.5M ($12.5M base + $5M prorated SB). $17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Exactly, if he was on the team he was going to cost 17.5 mil. But by not being on the team he only cost 15mil. A 2.5mil savings.
one might complain that we are paying 15mil for a player not on the team. I'm pointing out that he only cost 7.5 mil last year, so combine that with the 15 mil from this year and they end up pay JPP 22.5 mil for one year of ball.
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Both @LRiddickESPN and @Realrclark25 said on SportsCenter that Bradley Chubb is a better football player than last year's No. 1 pick, Myles Garrett.
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
(not 100%, but often) then JPP is not a fit. Vernon could be an outside guy. Moss could maybe do that. Even Okwara or Wynn might be able to go out there, but they'll need some big guys to play the 3-4 end position.
You want guys big, but more athletic than Tomlinson or Harrison on those ends
I don't think this move has much of anything to do with the draft.
This was an opportunity to move on from a player that no longer can play at the level his contract demands. Gives us a ton more cap flexibility in 2019 and got us an asset in a high 3rd round pick this year.
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high 3 1/2 for Gettleman!
I thank you. :-)
I'd prefer not to take Chubb at #2, but it isn't a "remote thrower." I'd trade back and take Davenport.
Plus they got a solid asset in trade.
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Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
His cap hit this year would've been $17.5M ($12.5M base + $5M prorated SB). $17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
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Chubb clearly is being targeted.
Not at #2. So possible trade down.
What about a trade with the Bills for 12, 22 plus more and we get Davenport at 12? Also a possibility.
What is next? This is what makes this so much fun. DG is not done yet.
This is your opinion or?
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JPP was not a great fit for what this new defense looks to be.
He's a guy with value, but who never really lived up to the promise of the early stages of his career, and was making way too much money
Getting a 3rd and dealing that contract is a win, especially with the need to sign obj and collins not too far off.
Chubb would absolutely be a fit for this team, but it doesn't mean he's now their target. Everyone needs to stop treating the draft like it's free agency, take the best player for the long term for the franchise.
Chubb is almost as bas as a fit for a 3-4 as JPP was, except he has two hands.
Giants will not be in 3-4 every single play
Damn you Gettleman!!!!!!!
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Good with the trade, but if we take Chubb @ 2, I will be furious.
I'd prefer not to take Chubb at #2, but it isn't a "remote thrower." I'd trade back and take Davenport.
Maybe not a remote thrower - but to pass on a QB and a RB as highly-touted as Barkley would tick me off. Chubb @ 2 almost feels like a reach despite him being one of the better players in the draft.
That is fo sure
DG knows this team needs a complete overhaul.
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
It’s this type of post why you get shit on around here.
We paid JPP 22.5 mil for one year, in hindsight the Franchise Tag would have been cheaper.
There’s lots of enticing tweener types that would fit, so we can look at in Rounds 3, 4, 5.
Good. Things need to be shaken up after a 3-13 campaign.
Plus all the other nonsense he brings.
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Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
His cap hit this year would've been $17.5M ($12.5M base + $5M prorated SB). $17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
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That I was right when I was all alone screaming For the Giants not to re-sign a guy with 7 fingers and a serious immaturity problem?
It’s this type of post why you get shit on around here.
He'll never figure it out. I've tried. Doesn't get it.
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
Correct, there’s lots of LB and DE tweener type options though too in later rounds.
I’d be surprised if we didn’t take a linebacker somewhere in rounds 2-5.
I still think everyone is overthinking this. Mara made it clear late last season that drafting a QB was a priority(based on scouting). There are 3/4 highly touted QB's expected to go early in this draft that teams are fighting over to move up and draft. So far all of the QB's have proven that they are top tier QB prospects in their various workouts. I'm pretty confident that we are taking a QB.
He's played OLB before. To be frank, he might be better as a 3-4 OLB because he's slightly undersized for a 4-3 end. If you look at his draft profile, it was expected that that would be his position.
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That I was right when I was all alone screaming For the Giants not to re-sign a guy with 7 fingers and a serious immaturity problem?
Yeah, right, like you were the only one on this site against re-signing JPP. There were many.
ThatLimerickGuy's really crowing,
Now that Jason Pierre-Paul is going.
But if memory serves,
GoTerps really deserves,
To be one guy whose horn should be blowing.
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
Michael Lombardi mentioned on his podcast, that he knows that organizationally the Giants grading scheme would give Chubb an extremely high grade. He was unsure if Gettleman has made any major changes to that scheme, but didn't think so.
Bingo and a massive upgrade in the leadership department....hopefully they can get Denver or Cleveland to bite.
I don't think we need Chubb. It'll just be another case of watching our defense do well, while the offense struggles to get 1st downs
i say take Barkley at #2 and lets! score! points!
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scheme fit a non-issue.
They're gonna play him at DE in the 3-4? Seems odd to me.
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Yeah, I guess? He just looks like such a classic 4-3 DE to me that it's hard to shake it. He's an absolut stud though so he'll be good on the field wherever you play him.
Yup or Darnold
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Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus, but guarantees tranfers to the bucs.
Basically the Giants paid JPP 22.5 mil for last year (7.5 + 15) but have to count 15 mil of it on this years cap. Which actually saves the Giants 2.5 mil on the cap this year.
Seems like an OK deal to me, though i like JPP.
So, how does the Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap minus the $12.5 min they save add up to a savings?
His cap hit this year would've been $17.5M ($12.5M base + $5M prorated SB). $17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Exactly, if he was on the team he was going to cost 17.5 mil. But by not being on the team he only cost 15mil. A 2.5mil savings.
one might complain that we are paying 15mil for a player not on the team. I'm pointing out that he only cost 7.5 mil last year, so combine that with the 15 mil from this year and they end up pay JPP 22.5 mil for one year of ball.
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Both @LRiddickESPN and @Realrclark25 said on SportsCenter that Bradley Chubb is a better football player than last year's No. 1 pick, Myles Garrett.
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
You weren't getting enough production for what they were paying. It's really hard to be successful that way.
You want guys big, but more athletic than Tomlinson or Harrison on those ends
This was an opportunity to move on from a player that no longer can play at the level his contract demands. Gives us a ton more cap flexibility in 2019 and got us an asset in a high 3rd round pick this year.
Home run if you ask me.