Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN. Per Schefter
but about a rebuild.
Gettleman is getting bad contracts off the books and stockpiling picks.
JPP has not been a model citizen/locker room guy on this team.
6 picks in the first 140 picks can help to turn this thing around
is a guy that really doesn't fit in here anymore, especially with our new D scheme. He's a 4-3 end/edge rusher who really isn't a 3-4 end, nor is he a stand-up 3-4 OLB edge rusher. I think it comes down to him simply not fitting in here - it's that simple.
Are we going 3-4 D? We need edge rushers. No to Chubb and get 3-4 explosive rusher later. Like that guy from Rutgers who will be the steal of the draft if we get him with that 3rd round pick.
Could be a wake up for JPP. Cut some weight and I think he’ll play good ball for TB.
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
The $5M bonus pro-rate for 2018 is irrelevant to the savings discussion. They owe it against the cap whether they kept him or dealt him.
They were going to owe $17.5M against this year’s cap: $12.5 salary + $5 bonus.
By trading him, they don’t owe the $12.5M salary this year, but the remaining $10M in bonus gets accelerated.
To summarize: They would have owed $17.5M against the cap if they kept him. By trading, they owe just the $15M in bonus prorate. That’s a $2.5M savings.
I assumed that we would just cut him next year without comp, to do so this year for a high 3rd rounder is awesome. I'm not concerned with the dead cap, we're not competing for a title this year, I don't care if we're taking a short term step back at the position if it nets us a top 70 pick and more cap freedom going forward. His contract is completely off the books next year, that's big.
I like how DG is aggressively shaping the roster through trades, it shows a little more creativity than the last FO.
Are we going 3-4 D? We need edge rushers. No to Chubb and get 3-4 explosive rusher later. Like that guy from Rutgers who will be the steal of the draft if we get him with that 3rd round pick.
Could be a wake up for JPP. Cut some weight and I think he’ll play good ball for TB.
Wouldn't be a KWALL post without propping up some Rutgers guy :)
I agree with you, though - no to Chubb. Gotta go QB or Barkley @ 2 if we're staying put.
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
How??? We are set to play a 3-4 the way he’s building this roster he has massive ends. Chubb by all accounts is purely a 4-3 end. I just don’t see this.
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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
Jpp has become a bit of a liability due to the hand issue. Unfortunately his game has been affected by it and is his play is not worth his contract. Sad to see him go but I think this was the best move by the Giants. Time to move on. Now bring in Chubb:)
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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
And they are only "increasing" it by $10M due to the SB money due (on the cap) in 2019 and 2020. $12.5 - $10 = $2.5 savings
We can probably get a comparable player to 29 yr old JPP out the gate with that pick we just acquired...minus the contract, that's a better scheme fit with more upside.
The Giants just created $15 million in dead money buy trading away a guy they signed to a $62 million contract twelve months ago. They now have no one left from six consecutive drafts. And they just created another hole to fill.
The good news is they cleared cap space in 2019 and 2020 by at least admitting to a GIGANTIC mistake.
believe we traded pick 4.02 ... usually after the second day and people have time to see who got over looked and reevaluate their boards that pick becomes valuable. Oh well
And they are only "increasing" it by $10M due to the SB money due (on the cap) in 2019 and 2020. $12.5 - $10 = $2.5 savings
Ok. Let's try it this way. (and I mean this as a question) How much on the Giants cap this year from JPP signing bonus. $15m. Correct? How much less do they have to pay for JPP's services this year. $12.5m. Correct? I think the $17.5 number is not part of the equation because it includes money that isn't leaving the Giants payroll. The 15 and the 12.5 are the only numbers that matter. 12.5 less 15 is -2.5.
Usually some good interior OL available there that can step in and start day 1...
Gettleman is getting bad contracts off the books and stockpiling picks.
JPP has not been a model citizen/locker room guy on this team.
6 picks in the first 140 picks can help to turn this thing around
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Giants love Chubb, scheme fit a non-issue.
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
More ammo too if they wanted to deal up for Darnold.
Holy crap I thought he sucked from 2012-2017.
The guy only basically had one good year..
...for a guy who could play both Hero and Coach Killer!
Wish you well JPP!!!
So maybe the message is to " give great effort or don't come to N.Y."
Plus...picks, more picks!
Yup, my absolute first thought.
...Bradley Chubb at #2???
I still can't make up my mind when I see him play. I don't think he's THAT kind of special.
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I really hope he turns into Von Miller. He needs to be a multiple pro-bowl kind of guy.
I still can't make up my mind when I see him play. I don't think he's THAT kind of special.
I don't either. Chubb at 2 scares me. I'm still hoping for Barkley or Darnold.
Kudos to DG for getting a decent pick for JPP.
..And thank you to JPP for 8 great years here!
Are we going 3-4 D? We need edge rushers. No to Chubb and get 3-4 explosive rusher later. Like that guy from Rutgers who will be the steal of the draft if we get him with that 3rd round pick.
Could be a wake up for JPP. Cut some weight and I think he’ll play good ball for TB.
To me - contract + inconsistent effort
It's not his hand, it's the back, shoulder and abdominal injuries that have made a once elite athlete into an average player.
He's a bad fit for the new scheme, and a bad allocation of resources.
I wanted him back, but after learning he had 2 surgeries last off season -- I was floored he was given that contract.
If healthy he's still a very good player - but it's time this org stops living in the past.
Olgetree, Solder, and now this. And not re-signing the turnstiles Richburg and Pugh...
lol. Good one Eric.
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Giants love Chubb, scheme fit a non-issue.
It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.
More ammo too if they wanted to deal up for Darnold.
Darnold is my boy, but heard nothing on QBs so far.
But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
The $5M bonus pro-rate for 2018 is irrelevant to the savings discussion. They owe it against the cap whether they kept him or dealt him.
They were going to owe $17.5M against this year’s cap: $12.5 salary + $5 bonus.
By trading him, they don’t owe the $12.5M salary this year, but the remaining $10M in bonus gets accelerated.
To summarize: They would have owed $17.5M against the cap if they kept him. By trading, they owe just the $15M in bonus prorate. That’s a $2.5M savings.
I like how DG is aggressively shaping the roster through trades, it shows a little more creativity than the last FO.
Perfect for a 3-4 Defense
Are we going 3-4 D? We need edge rushers. No to Chubb and get 3-4 explosive rusher later. Like that guy from Rutgers who will be the steal of the draft if we get him with that 3rd round pick.
Could be a wake up for JPP. Cut some weight and I think he’ll play good ball for TB.
Wouldn't be a KWALL post without propping up some Rutgers guy :)
I agree with you, though - no to Chubb. Gotta go QB or Barkley @ 2 if we're staying put.
Tampa Bay got ripped off.
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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
How??? We are set to play a 3-4 the way he’s building this roster he has massive ends. Chubb by all accounts is purely a 4-3 end. I just don’t see this.
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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
I mean reducing the money the are paying out.
Does it? Maybe the had already determined JPP was a guy without a true position or they just didn't think he was worth having..
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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.
If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit
After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M
$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings
Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
And they are only "increasing" it by $10M due to the SB money due (on the cap) in 2019 and 2020. $12.5 - $10 = $2.5 savings
Perfect for a 3-4 Defense
I was just thinking about that, myself (sorry, Greg).
Giants love Chubb. I don't think they have him #1, but they have him up there.
He might very well be in play, but now I think they trade with Denver and get #5 Denver's #2(and maybe #3) and next year's #1.
I'd prefer Nelson at 5 but Chubb would be fine.
Is Nick Chubb the one that falls to 69?
2017 pick 67 - Alvin Kamara.
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But it does create another hole on this team
Does it? Maybe the had already determined JPP was a guy without a true position or they just didn't think he was worth having..
It does create a hole. At least on paper. JPP wasn't a great pass rusher anymore, but he was still very stout.
The good news is they cleared cap space in 2019 and 2020 by at least admitting to a GIGANTIC mistake.
But I wouldn't be "celebrating" right now.
Don't think the hand factored in at all.
How do you know that the Giants love Chubb the giants probably love a lot of players do you have an inside track Jon C
Is Nick Chubb the one that falls to 69?
2017 pick 67 - Alvin Kamara.
It's all about signing Odell and LDC next year tho.
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And they are only "increasing" it by $10M due to the SB money due (on the cap) in 2019 and 2020. $12.5 - $10 = $2.5 savings
Ok. Let's try it this way. (and I mean this as a question) How much on the Giants cap this year from JPP signing bonus. $15m. Correct? How much less do they have to pay for JPP's services this year. $12.5m. Correct? I think the $17.5 number is not part of the equation because it includes money that isn't leaving the Giants payroll. The 15 and the 12.5 are the only numbers that matter. 12.5 less 15 is -2.5.