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JPP has been traded

Ray_Ray (NYG) : 3/22/2018 10:08 am
Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN. Per Schefter
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RE: 2 high picks in the 3rd round  
giants#1 : 3/22/2018 10:57 am : link
In comment 13879712 ryanmkeane said:
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is so awesone. We can use those to move up in the 2nd if we want, or get 2 possible starters with those picks. Like this move a lot.


Usually some good interior OL available there that can step in and start day 1...
This is not about Chubb  
larryflower37 : 3/22/2018 10:57 am : link
but about a rebuild.
Gettleman is getting bad contracts off the books and stockpiling picks.
JPP has not been a model citizen/locker room guy on this team.

6 picks in the first 140 picks can help to turn this thing around
RE: RE: heard two weeks ago  
UberAlias : 3/22/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13879718 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13879650 JonC said:


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Giants love Chubb, scheme fit a non-issue.

It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.


More ammo too if they wanted to deal up for Darnold.
The timing of it is interesting. The day after Darnold's pro day the Giants deal one of their few tradable assets for a draft pick. Hmmm...
There were people  
Creme777 : 3/22/2018 10:58 am : link
who thought JPP coming back after the hand incident was good?

Holy crap I thought he sucked from 2012-2017.

The guy only basically had one good year..
Salary Dump...  
M.S. : 3/22/2018 11:00 am : link

...for a guy who could play both Hero and Coach Killer!

Wish you well JPP!!!
WOW  
idiotsavant : 3/22/2018 11:00 am : link
What makes me OK with this is that JPP 'flashed ' great plays last year within an otherwise blah season.

So maybe the message is to " give great effort or don't come to N.Y."

Plus...picks, more picks!
If they take Chubb,  
Jon in NYC : 3/22/2018 11:01 am : link
I really hope he turns into Von Miller. He needs to be a multiple pro-bowl kind of guy.
RE: Hello...  
batman11 : 3/22/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13879403 Strip-Sack said:
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Mr. Chubb!!!


Yup, my absolute first thought.
Does this mean...  
M.S. : 3/22/2018 11:02 am : link

...Bradley Chubb at #2???
Creme  
ryanmkeane : 3/22/2018 11:02 am : link
JPP is a good football player. You can do a hell of a lot worse at DE. At his best, he's a really good two way player.
RE: If they take Chubb,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13879751 Jon in NYC said:
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I really hope he turns into Von Miller. He needs to be a multiple pro-bowl kind of guy.


I still can't make up my mind when I see him play. I don't think he's THAT kind of special.
raise  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 11:03 am : link
your hand if you thought Kerry Wynn would out-last JPP?
The thing about Chubb  
ryanmkeane : 3/22/2018 11:04 am : link
is the "want to"...dude has a ridiculous motor.
RE: RE: If they take Chubb,  
Jon in NYC : 3/22/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13879763 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13879751 Jon in NYC said:


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I really hope he turns into Von Miller. He needs to be a multiple pro-bowl kind of guy.



I still can't make up my mind when I see him play. I don't think he's THAT kind of special.


I don't either. Chubb at 2 scares me. I'm still hoping for Barkley or Darnold.
JPP  
Allen in CNJ : 3/22/2018 11:05 am : link
is a guy that really doesn't fit in here anymore, especially with our new D scheme. He's a 4-3 end/edge rusher who really isn't a 3-4 end, nor is he a stand-up 3-4 OLB edge rusher. I think it comes down to him simply not fitting in here - it's that simple.

Kudos to DG for getting a decent pick for JPP.

..And thank you to JPP for 8 great years here!
these "Knicks" are making moves  
GMAN4LIFE : 3/22/2018 11:06 am : link
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No to Chubb  
KWALL2 : 3/22/2018 11:06 am : link
Yes to the QB or Barkley.

Are we going 3-4 D? We need edge rushers. No to Chubb and get 3-4 explosive rusher later. Like that guy from Rutgers who will be the steal of the draft if we get him with that 3rd round pick.

Could be a wake up for JPP. Cut some weight and I think he’ll play good ball for TB.
Raise hand how many  
idiotsavant : 3/22/2018 11:06 am : link
Fingers though?

To me - contract + inconsistent effort
...  
christian : 3/22/2018 11:07 am : link
It's a good move. What became obvious last year is that JPP's body is broken down.

It's not his hand, it's the back, shoulder and abdominal injuries that have made a once elite athlete into an average player.

He's a bad fit for the new scheme, and a bad allocation of resources.

I wanted him back, but after learning he had 2 surgeries last off season -- I was floored he was given that contract.

If healthy he's still a very good player - but it's time this org stops living in the past.
I didn't like the Gettleman hire...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 11:07 am : link
But I must say the moves thus far are hard to not like:

Olgetree, Solder, and now this. And not re-signing the turnstiles Richburg and Pugh...
RE: raise  
Rjanyg : 3/22/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13879766 Eric from BBI said:
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your hand if you thought Kerry Wynn would out-last JPP?


lol. Good one Eric.
RE: RE: heard two weeks ago  
JonC : 3/22/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13879718 UberAlias said:
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Giants love Chubb, scheme fit a non-issue.

It doesn't mean he's the pick at #2, but certainly an option with more weight now.


More ammo too if they wanted to deal up for Darnold.


Darnold is my boy, but heard nothing on QBs so far.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So see if i have this right.  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/22/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13879658 BillT said:
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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.

The $5M bonus pro-rate for 2018 is irrelevant to the savings discussion. They owe it against the cap whether they kept him or dealt him.

They were going to owe $17.5M against this year’s cap: $12.5 salary + $5 bonus.

By trading him, they don’t owe the $12.5M salary this year, but the remaining $10M in bonus gets accelerated.

To summarize: They would have owed $17.5M against the cap if they kept him. By trading, they owe just the $15M in bonus prorate. That’s a $2.5M savings.
Best of move of the offseason  
AcesUp : 3/22/2018 11:09 am : link
I assumed that we would just cut him next year without comp, to do so this year for a high 3rd rounder is awesome. I'm not concerned with the dead cap, we're not competing for a title this year, I don't care if we're taking a short term step back at the position if it nets us a top 70 pick and more cap freedom going forward. His contract is completely off the books next year, that's big.

I like how DG is aggressively shaping the roster through trades, it shows a little more creativity than the last FO.
With A Trade Down  
pa_giant_fan : 3/22/2018 11:10 am : link
Tremaine Edwards OLB/DE VT, 6.5 240
Perfect for a 3-4 Defense
RE: No to Chubb  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13879781 KWALL2 said:
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Yes to the QB or Barkley.

Are we going 3-4 D? We need edge rushers. No to Chubb and get 3-4 explosive rusher later. Like that guy from Rutgers who will be the steal of the draft if we get him with that 3rd round pick.

Could be a wake up for JPP. Cut some weight and I think he’ll play good ball for TB.


Wouldn't be a KWALL post without propping up some Rutgers guy :)

I agree with you, though - no to Chubb. Gotta go QB or Barkley @ 2 if we're staying put.
This is a great move ...  
Beer Man : 3/22/2018 11:10 am : link
But it does create another hole on this team
The guy got  
Creme777 : 3/22/2018 11:11 am : link
muscled around so much it looked like he was cooked and wasnt affective. "Good" wasnt enough to warrant all that money he was getting.

Tampa Bay got ripped off.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So see if i have this right.  
BillT : 3/22/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13879716 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13879658 BillT said:


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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.



If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit

After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M

$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings

Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.
RE: guess  
Tuckrule : 3/22/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13879409 Eric from BBI said:
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what... Chubb is now REALLY in play.


How??? We are set to play a 3-4 the way he’s building this roster he has massive ends. Chubb by all accounts is purely a 4-3 end. I just don’t see this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So see if i have this right.  
BillT : 3/22/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13879814 BillT said:
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In comment 13879658 BillT said:


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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.



If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit

After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M

$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings


Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.

I mean reducing the money the are paying out.
RE: This is a great move ...  
jvm52106 : 3/22/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13879809 Beer Man said:
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But it does create another hole on this team


Does it? Maybe the had already determined JPP was a guy without a true position or they just didn't think he was worth having..
I mention it a few times,  
prdave73 : 3/22/2018 11:13 am : link
Jpp has become a bit of a liability due to the hand issue. Unfortunately his game has been affected by it and is his play is not worth his contract. Sad to see him go but I think this was the best move by the Giants. Time to move on. Now bring in Chubb:)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So see if i have this right.  
giants#1 : 3/22/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13879814 BillT said:
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In comment 13879716 giants#1 said:


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In comment 13879658 BillT said:


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But the $10m in accelerated signing bonus plus the $5m that is already on the books is $15m. The savings is only $12.5m. You even said Giants eat 15 mil from signing bonus on this years cap.



If he played for the Giants in 2018:
$11.25 (base) + $5 (prorated SB) + $1 (roster bonus) + $0.25 (workout bonus) = $17.5M cap hit

After the trade, the Giants are only on the hook for the remaining SB ($5M each from 2018/19/20) = $15M

$17.5 - $15 = $2.5M savings


Yes, but they're not getting rid of $17.5m. $5m of the $17.5m stays on the cap. They are only reducing this years cap by $12.5m.


And they are only "increasing" it by $10M due to the SB money due (on the cap) in 2019 and 2020. $12.5 - $10 = $2.5 savings
RE: With A Trade Down  
Klaatu : 3/22/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13879804 pa_giant_fan said:
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Tremaine Edwards OLB/DE VT, 6.5 240
Perfect for a 3-4 Defense


I was just thinking about that, myself (sorry, Greg).
The draft is strong and deep on Edge players  
AcesUp : 3/22/2018 11:15 am : link
We can probably get a comparable player to 29 yr old JPP out the gate with that pick we just acquired...minus the contract, that's a better scheme fit with more upside.
Tuckrule  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 11:16 am : link
Giants are going to play a hybrid defense.

Giants love Chubb. I don't think they have him #1, but they have him up there.
RE: those  
section125 : 3/22/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13879715 Eric from BBI said:
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discounting Chubb at this point do so at the risk of their own future mental health on draft day. ;)


He might very well be in play, but now I think they trade with Denver and get #5 Denver's #2(and maybe #3) and next year's #1.

I'd prefer Nelson at 5 but Chubb would be fine.
Which Chubb?  
GMen23 : 3/22/2018 11:17 am : link
Many pundits grading the 5 RB's behind Barkley, late 1st, and throughout the 2nd.

Is Nick Chubb the one that falls to 69?

2017 pick 67 - Alvin Kamara.
RE: RE: This is a great move ...  
Brown Recluse : 3/22/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13879827 jvm52106 said:
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But it does create another hole on this team



Does it? Maybe the had already determined JPP was a guy without a true position or they just didn't think he was worth having..


It does create a hole. At least on paper. JPP wasn't a great pass rusher anymore, but he was still very stout.
Trade down to 5  
Mkdaman1818 : 3/22/2018 11:18 am : link
If we can trade with Denver down to 5, maybe we can grab a player from them like LB Brandon Marshall or Shane Ray
GMAN4LIFE  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 11:18 am : link
The Giants just created $15 million in dead money buy trading away a guy they signed to a $62 million contract twelve months ago. They now have no one left from six consecutive drafts. And they just created another hole to fill.

The good news is they cleared cap space in 2019 and 2020 by at least admitting to a GIGANTIC mistake.

But I wouldn't be "celebrating" right now.
Getting younger on D  
idiotsavant : 3/22/2018 11:19 am : link
DRC was old. JPP older than a draft pick. But to me: effort seemed spotty.

Don't think the hand factored in at all.
Gettleman's Rockin' the Old Boat,  
clatterbuck : 3/22/2018 11:19 am : link
isn't he? Not quite the staid, "nothing's gonna change" regime some feared. We'll see how these moves play out, but in the meantime, this is fun.
I can't  
Amtoft : 3/22/2018 11:20 am : link
believe we traded pick 4.02 ... usually after the second day and people have time to see who got over looked and reevaluate their boards that pick becomes valuable. Oh well
RE: Giants love Chubb  
NikkiMac : 3/22/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13879454 JonC said:
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scheme fit a non-issue.


How do you know that the Giants love Chubb the giants probably love a lot of players do you have an inside track Jon C
Which Chubb?  
GMen23 : 3/22/2018 11:21 am : link
Many pundits grading the 5 RB's behind Barkley, late 1st, and throughout the 2nd.

Is Nick Chubb the one that falls to 69?

2017 pick 67 - Alvin Kamara.
Well this certainly changes  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/22/2018 11:21 am : link
my opinion on the draft..

It's all about signing Odell and LDC next year tho.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So see if i have this right.  
BillT : 3/22/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13879831 giants#1 said:
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And they are only "increasing" it by $10M due to the SB money due (on the cap) in 2019 and 2020. $12.5 - $10 = $2.5 savings

Ok. Let's try it this way. (and I mean this as a question) How much on the Giants cap this year from JPP signing bonus. $15m. Correct? How much less do they have to pay for JPP's services this year. $12.5m. Correct? I think the $17.5 number is not part of the equation because it includes money that isn't leaving the Giants payroll. The 15 and the 12.5 are the only numbers that matter. 12.5 less 15 is -2.5.
DG is the JPP of GMs!  
Del Shofner : 3/22/2018 11:22 am : link
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