JPP has been traded

In comment 13879859 Eric from BBI said:

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The Giants just created $15 million in dead money buy trading away a guy they signed to a $62 million contract twelve months ago. They now have no one left from six consecutive drafts. And they just created another hole to fill. The good news is they cleared cap space in 2019 and 2020 by at least admitting to a GIGANTIC mistake. But I wouldn't be "celebrating" right now.

I don't think they actually created a hole. Whoever plays end in their 3-4 is not going to be some big name. 3-4 DEs aren't stars. They just signed a 3-4 DE that played a ton of snaps for this coordinator.

Clowney type LB/DE guy?

are still Giants since the 2014 draft?

That tells you all you need to know about Jerry Reese.

Just asking.

In comment 13879862 idiotsavant said:

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DRC was old. JPP older than a draft pick. But to me: effort seemed spotty. Don't think the hand factored in at all.

Knew it was a matter of time....Gettleman looked at the tape

This is just as much culture change as dumping a salary

JPP dogged it last year and even I saw it on tape

And he has had a shitty attitude for a long time .... Good Riddance

In comment 13879893 Nysportsfn13 said:
are still Giants since the 2010 draft?

That tells you all you need to know about Jerry Reese.

In comment 13879889 Del Shofner said:

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Nice!!!

JPP was a pass rusher...either at DE or LB. Now he's gone. I would have dumped him too (I said so two months ago on BBI). But it's a hole. And it will be VERY telling if they do draft Chubb to basically replace him.

I'm just now getting over the shock.

trading Beason to some team.

an eternity in the NFL, not exactly a strong point.

In comment 13879911 Eric from BBI said:

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JPP was a pass rusher...either at DE or LB. Now he's gone. I would have dumped him too (I said so two months ago on BBI). But it's a hole. And it will be VERY telling if they do draft Chubb to basically replace him.

He wasn't enough of a pass rusher while he was here. So what are you losing? I'm fine with letting him go. He needs to be replaced by someone who can set a good edge against a run. Mauro seems to be that by reputation.

You can get 7 sacks elsewhere.

But Chubb would be miscast here, I don't think this means anything for what we do in the first round. However, I've always thought that they would be targeting a 3-4 DE in this draft. Personally, I thought JPP would be a good fit in a 3-4 at the pass-rushing or "small DE" side in the 3-4. Now, with what we have on the roster, looks like Mauro is the top guy. Perhaps Wynn and Okwara will be in the mix...I guess.

I would've thought we could've done better, at the very least a 2 and a 4 if we are swapping 4th rounders, or just the 3 and a 4 without our 4th rounder included.

I suppose the salary was a factor and perhaps he is 2 and a half digits less of a player than he used to be. I'm not mocking either, seriously think that could also be a part of it.

I guess he had the brutally honest discussion with JPP.

Than it makes more sense to pick up linebackers we have enough on the line maybe depth is needed......

Karrem Martin is replacing JPP if we are actually going to a 3-4. (We don't know yet).

I was waiting for something like this with JPP -- for many reasons. To me it's a correct move for the team.

In comment 13879889 Del Shofner said:

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Well done.

In comment 13879539 gidiefor said:

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I'm not done -- I trade with the Broncos to 5 and make them give me picks and one of their defensive dymos -- Von Miller anyone? -- and I then take Chubb at 5 I like Chubb a lot -- he's a pleasure to watch on the field - a true technician with outstanding work ethic

You think the Broncos are going to trade Von Miller? Not a chance.

In comment 13879436 KerrysFlask said:

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I don't think at all. Actually, I believe the opposite. Terrible contract for a guy who under-achieved and maybe a bit better than mediocre at this point. He has had back issues and maturity issues still. Not a great fit for the new scheme. Probably just flat out overrated at this point.

He was amazzzzzing early in his career, but he lost a lot of that athletic ability due to injuries. This is a steal for us. To get a high 3rd round pick and the ability to still get 2nd round talent that falls. This for dumping a ton of money in 2019 and 2020 gives us the ability to sign OBJ and Collins. Hell the guy who replaces him could easily be more effective on this D. Addition by subtraction while also adding a 3rd round pick.

Did you really expect a 2nd? I wouldn't have expected a 3rd, but rather a 4th.

In comment 13879921 Tittle 9 20 64 said:

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trading Beason to some team.

Haha great point!

2007, long snapper

The second longest tenured Giants draft pick is.....OBJ

(Eli was not technically a Giants draft pick)

JPP and OV are both good at applying pressure and stopping the run. Not at getting actual sacks. You're changing schemes and getting rid of an 'older' player who has an 'tendency towards injury'. Plus I feel like JPP took a lot of plays off and with his permanent injury his playing style had to change. He used his long reach to make tackles, sacks an bat passes. With the injured hand he was not able to do this as much or as effectively, unfortunately.

other than a 3-4, and picked up 3-4 alignment defensive free agents. and traded for a MLB who had just come from playing in a 3-4

I think we can be pretty sure at this point.

grown men talking about a game in the middle of the day on a weekday. Does anyone work anymore?

In comment 13879967 dpinzow said:

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2007, long snapper The second longest tenured Giants draft pick is.....OBJ (Eli was not technically a Giants draft pick)

Was JPP the last remaining draft pick from 2010-2013?

but there was probably no way to keep all of Odell, Collins, JPP and Vernon under one salary cap along with Eli for the next two years so JPP or Vernon was getting traded. Collins and Odell are considered future core pieces and Vernon is younger + fits better in a 3-4 scheme the new DC is running

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Giants move back acquire picks to select Chubb.

Giants use picks to move back into 1st round to select RB/OL (Derrius Guice/McGlinchey?)

Reason: When Jets moved to 3rd for a QB (Allen?) and the Browns pretty much made the decision after Darnolds pro day he's the #1 pick the Giants spot at 2 became very valuable for anyone wanting Rosen (Bills?).

Giants could be getting a ransom here, not sure Chubb lasts to 11.

In comment 13879974 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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other than a 3-4, and picked up 3-4 alignment defensive free agents. and traded for a MLB who had just come from playing in a 3-4 I think we can be pretty sure at this point.

Yeah, this.

But that would be a remote-thrower for me at 2.

By picking Chubb over Barkley, you remove the positional handicap that you get if you insist on picking a QB. Now, you’re comparing player to player evenly and picking the lesser talent. Also, I feel that their running game deficit is much much greater than their defensive deficit at this point. So, you would be going for incremental improvement versus a ginormous improvement.

I’m still going for talent I guess the caveat, is that setting your sights on Chubb would make a trade-down more palatable for me. Not what I would do or want them to do, but at least it’s less emetic.

In comment 13879974 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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other than a 3-4, and picked up 3-4 alignment defensive free agents. and traded for a MLB who had just come from playing in a 3-4 I think we can be pretty sure at this point.

I think so too, but it could be some sort of hybrid too.

My guess is as right now the line is Tomlinson-Harrison-Mauro with OV and Martin the outside linebackers.

In comment 13879948 Eric from BBI said:

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Karrem Martin is replacing JPP if we are actually going to a 3-4. (We don't know yet).

Eric, my read on it was that JPP would've always been a 3-4 end, not a linebacker. Vernon would be a linebacker, sure.

JPP's best role in that system would've been on the end with Tomlinson on the other side and Harrison in the middle. I think you look at a guy like Rasheem Green as a potential replacement in the draft. Another really intriguing guy if the medicals are ok is Maurice Hurst. He'd probably need to fall into the 2nd round where we'd be a player.

One of my favorites that could be in play in the 3rd round is Derek Nnadi from FSU. He's very versatile, can play end or the NT on passing downs.

A projectable 3-4 end that may be available in the 3rd is Jalyn Holmes from Ohio State. Needs to put on more muscle, but he'd be a good fit with a little bit of work on his body.

In the 4th round R.J. McIntosh from Miami would be a consideration.

In comment 13879883 BillT said:

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Ok. Let's try it this way. (and I mean this as a question) How much on the Giants cap this year from JPP signing bonus. $15m. Correct? How much less do they have to pay for JPP's services this year. $12.5m. Correct? I think the $17.5 number is not part of the equation because it includes money that isn't leaving the Giants payroll. The 15 and the 12.5 are the only numbers that matter. 12.5 less 15 is -2.5.

I get where you’re coming from, but you’re essentially double counting the $5M bonus they were already paying if they had kept him. It’s onky a $10M ADDITIONAL cap hit due to the trade.

Consider it this way:

KEEP JPP: 2018 cap hit = $17.5M. Future cap hit = $10M
TRADE JPP: 2018 cap hit = $15M. Future cap hit = $0

That a $2.5M savings this year and a $10M savings going forward.

Gentleman clearly keeps his own close counsel.

So many pundits are predicting what the Giants will do with the second pick the draft; some with wording that makes it seems like they know.

The JPP deal comes out of the clear blue, not one rumor from our esteemed Giants beat writers or any of the big football media.

No one knows yet what the Giants will do with the second pick in the draft. Is is also very possible, that the Giants still do not know.

In comment 13879974 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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other than a 3-4, and picked up 3-4 alignment defensive free agents. and traded for a MLB who had just come from playing in a 3-4 I think we can be pretty sure at this point.

I agree, writing is clearly on the wall.

In comment 13879981 jestersdead said:

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In comment 13879967 dpinzow said: Quote: 2007, long snapper The second longest tenured Giants draft pick is.....OBJ (Eli was not technically a Giants draft pick) Was JPP the last remaining draft pick from 2010-2013?

From 2008 to 2013

2013: Pugh signed with Arizona, Hankins, Damontre Moore, Nassib are FA. Rest of the 2013 class is out of the league.

2012: Everyone from the 2012 draft class is out of the league

2011: Prince Amukamara is with the Bears. The rest of that class is out of the league

2010: JPP just traded to Tampa, Linval currently a star DT with the Vikings. The rest of that class is out of the league

2009: Will Beatty is a backup OT with the Eagles. The rest of that class is out of the league

2008: The entire 2008 draft class is out of the league

automatically.

This is as much about cleaning up the locker room as it was about 'fitting a scheme' and 'clearing cap space'.

In comment 13880022 Slade said:

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This is as much about cleaning up the locker room as it was about 'fitting a scheme' and 'clearing cap space'.

I just mentioned on another thread that perhaps JPP was identified as one of the leaks last year. In addition to his typical motor issues.

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...he proved who he was last season. As many feared he got the big money and he mailed it in. Never was a factor at all last season. Also a culture move because let's face it, be honest, JPP isn't a very smart person.

I was throw the tv out the window furious. Felt he was too raw with a high probability of being just another guy. He never was anything special and then he stupidly blew off half his hand. My opinion has not changed. Glad to close this chapter of Giant history.

and I think it means, this team is more in rebuild mode than play for this year...

I think it's almost a certainty, we draft a QB at #2, and Eli will be gone in 2019, unless he really shows something this year...

While it creates a hole, it's not a big hole, for what JPP has done for the last few seasons.....

I wonder if they talked about a paycut before the trade?

Delighted with this

$1.5 million on the cap this year, and $19 million on the cap next year. The cap savings this year are ok, and the 3rd rounder is nice. But the $19MM it saves us next year? That means we cana keep our priority free agents going forward. And that's huge.

Overall, this is an amazing, outstanding move. Now we just gotta hope that Gettleman's luck with 3rd round picks is better than Reese's was.

In comment 13880037 Giant John said:

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I was throw the tv out the window furious. Felt he was too raw with a high probability of being just another guy. He never was anything special and then he stupidly blew off half his hand. My opinion has not changed. Glad to close this chapter of Giant history.

He was absolutely special in his first few years and worked his tail off to get back... He is not a leader and once he got paid...

In comment 13880008 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13879883 BillT said: Quote: Ok. Let's try it this way. (and I mean this as a question) How much on the Giants cap this year from JPP signing bonus. $15m. Correct? How much less do they have to pay for JPP's services this year. $12.5m. Correct? I think the $17.5 number is not part of the equation because it includes money that isn't leaving the Giants payroll. The 15 and the 12.5 are the only numbers that matter. 12.5 less 15 is -2.5. I get where you’re coming from, but you’re essentially double counting the $5M bonus they were already paying if they had kept him. It’s onky a $10M ADDITIONAL cap hit due to the trade. Consider it this way: KEEP JPP: 2018 cap hit = $17.5M. Future cap hit = $10M TRADE JPP: 2018 cap hit = $15M. Future cap hit = $0 That a $2.5M savings this year and a $10M savings going forward.

You're still using the 17.5 Think that's a mistake. It may be $10M savings going forward but that 10m is on this year's cap along with the 5m that is part of the 17.5. 17.5 minus 5 is 12.5m compared to the 15m still on this year's cap. Ok though, I get both sides. Thanks.

Yeah, I know, the Giants 4th is like a very late 3rd, but the Giants also got the Bucs 4th (108 vs. 102). As talented as he is otherwise, it's basically impossible to play a high level of football with essentially only one hand. I'm glad he's already been paid. Hate to see him walk away with no money and slightly disabled.

In comment 13880037 Giant John said:

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I was throw the tv out the window furious. Felt he was too raw with a high probability of being just another guy. He never was anything special and then he stupidly blew off half his hand. My opinion has not changed. Glad to close this chapter of Giant history.

He was something special in 2011. He could have been (maybe should have been) the DPOY that year.