Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN. Per Schefter
I was throw the tv out the window furious. Felt he was too raw with a high probability of being just another guy. He never was anything special and then he stupidly blew off half his hand. My opinion has not changed. Glad to close this chapter of Giant history.
My guess is CLE. Bet they were banking on scooping up Chubb at #4. Now we increased potential bidders for our #2 pick as the key slot for not only QB but also Chubb (with supposed large drop off in talent to next best DE). I could support the move on just locker room and future salary cap improvement, by slapping the smug off CLE GM Dorsey is a really solid plus for me.
Gettleman's quote per jpp rings true - offer they couldn't refuse Â
he's 29, clearly past his prime, overpaid, a questionable scheme fit, and Tampa gave up the 69th pick in the draft for him. You do that deal every time. Don't think this was necessarily part of any plan.
I was throw the tv out the window furious. Felt he was too raw with a high probability of being just another guy. He never was anything special and then he stupidly blew off half his hand. My opinion has not changed. Glad to close this chapter of Giant history.
He was absolutely special in his first few years and worked his tail off to get back... He is not a leader and once he got paid...
Once he got paid he proceeded to go out play 91% of all defensive snaps. He really mailed it in.
Love this move. Cap savings AND a mid-round pick Â
That 15M bonus money is on the books.....we save his guaranteed salary of 11.25 and roster bonus of 1M and workout bonus of 0.25, or 12.5M is saved.....thus we have dead money on him of 2.5M.....we created no cap relief as I see it for 2018......but after that, we saved 27M over the two following years....
It's a marginal cap savings of 2.5m this year. The value is really in Â
JPP flashed occasionally last year, but overall I thought his play was poor. In some cases it was terrible. It's a good move to get his contract off the books but it would be foolish for the Giants to tie their own hands on draft day by thinking they have to replace JPP. They've got to pick the best available player and not draft to fill a need.
That said, I'm open to the possibility that they are already convinced of Chubb's pro bowl potential. We'll probably never know.
That 15M bonus money is on the books.....we save his guaranteed salary of 11.25 and roster bonus of 1M and workout bonus of 0.25, or 12.5M is saved.....thus we have dead money on him of 2.5M.....we created no cap relief as I see it for 2018......but after that, we saved 27M over the two following years....
They created only 2.5 million of cap room this season but 19.5 million for next season. This was clearly a move towards the future.
might be semantics, but 69th pick isn't middle round. Dalvin Tomlinson was the 55th pick last year. He was practically a better player than JPP day 1 and he's under team control for 4-5 years. This trade is a steal.
If we play it smart (and maybe with a little luck), maybe that 69th pick ends up as a starting offensive lineman!
Or, maybe it's combined with our 66th pick to move up into the second round to snag someone who inexplicably fell out of Round One, and turns into a solid starter!!!
So many pundits are predicting what the Giants will do with the second pick the draft; some with wording that makes it seems like they know.
The JPP deal comes out of the clear blue, not one rumor from our esteemed Giants beat writers or any of the big football media.
No one knows yet what the Giants will do with the second pick in the draft. Is is also very possible, that the Giants still do not know.
This here.. I've heard NYG is like a vault right now. Caught wind on some interest but that's literally about it. A lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as "from my sources".
Why would the Giants trade to #1? That means Cleveland doesn't want Darnold. So let them pick Allen. Or vice versa if that's the case.
No one else is jumping to 1. Buffalo would have to give up way too much. Only Denver has a shot and the I got this feeling the Jets want Mayfield (Not sure Denver or the Jets want a pick that is too similar to recent busts).
I also see, reading the pro day reviews, that everyone is back on the Darnold train. I can't see Cleveland passing one more time on a or the top QB. Even if Darnold bombs, they can point to the fact that he was the consensus #1 pick. If they pick anyone else and they bomb, the hot seat will get some juice.
I don't want a QB anyway. A trade with Denver would be fine. You can get Nelson, their #2 and next year's 1 which can be used to move up for a QB.
but was also in serious physical decline, which limited his performance. Overweight with a paunch, clearly slower than he was a few seasons ago, with limited functional strength and power. Given his physical trajectory, I'm very happy about this trade.
The Giants are saving $12.5M in cash in 2018 because the Bucs will be paying Jason Pierre-Paul's $11.25M base salary, $1M in per game roster bonuses & $250,000 workout bonus. The Giants get $2.5M of 2018 salary cap relief. There's $15M in dead money from his $20M signing bonus.
New Bucs DE Jason Pierre-Paul will now play his home games in the same stadium he did as a USF Bull. The Giants will save just $2.5 million on the cap here. His figure was $17.5 million. His dead money = $15 million.
According to the NFLPA public cap report, as of March 22, 11 a.m. ET, the Giants had just $3,415,606 of cap space left, a total that is not believed to include the signing of defensive end Josh Mauro (who probably didn’t get a one-year minimum salary deal).
The removal of JPP’s contract gives the Giants just $2.5 million in savings, which is calculated by taking the $17.5 million he was due to count for against this year’s cap and subtracting the remaining $15 million in prorated signing bonus money from that total.
He’s more suited as a 4-3 DE. I don’t see the Giants taking him at 2 or even in a trade down, unless Bettcher feels strongly that Chubb can make that move and play well there. That’s a very big risk o take being in the top 5 of the draft! I still 5hink they may look at other DEs more suited to a 3-4 in the 2nd and now 3rd rounds.
He’s more suited as a 4-3 DE. I don’t see the Giants taking him at 2 or even in a trade down, unless Bettcher feels strongly that Chubb can make that move and play well there. That’s a very big risk o take being in the top 5 of the draft! I still 5hink they may look at other DEs more suited to a 3-4 in the 2nd and now 3rd rounds.
If Chubb becomes a Giant it will be more surprising than this trade. Much more.
He absolutely was something special in 2011. Never played at that level again, though.
I need to add that JPP had 16 sacks and many of them were from the inside position in the NASCAR package. Lets not forget that the other DE's on the team were OSI, Tuck and KIWI. Our D Line was stacked. JPP was not a starter. He had a very good year. But he was a rotational player.
RE: don't know why the assumption that Chubb is in play Â
I remember thinking that he was going to be a HOFer.
That should be a lesson to all of us. Things change. Career paths are not always straight lines upward.
JPP did the Giants a huge favor when he blew his hand up. He gave them an out. Instead they foolishly stuck with him. They doubled down on that foolishness when they franchised him. They then doubled down on THAT foolishness with this ridiculous contract.
Foolishness, sentimentality, and myopia have marked the moves made by this team for years now. If Gettleman is going to undo those mistakes then trading JPP should just be the beginning.
Fired Ross
Hired Shurmur - who hired Bettcher (the one who Arians wanted to replace him in AZ)
Signed two new O-linemen, including a capable LT
Did not keep marginal OL talent (Pugh, Richburg)
Traded for new LB
Signed several veteran DBs
Signed veteran RB
Created about $20M in cap space for 2019 by trading an overpriced DE AND got an additional third round pick
I remember thinking that he was going to be a HOFer.
That should be a lesson to all of us. Things change. Career paths are not always straight lines upward.
JPP did the Giants a huge favor when he blew his hand up. He gave them an out. Instead they foolishly stuck with him. They doubled down on that foolishness when they franchised him. They then doubled down on THAT foolishness with this ridiculous contract.
Foolishness, sentimentality, and myopia have marked the moves made by this team for years now. If Gettleman is going to undo those mistakes then trading JPP should just be the beginning.
Reese's biggest fault is pride. His failures as GM all come from his inability to see when he made a mistake.
I don't think anyone was using 'safe' as another way to say Â
Fired Ross
Hired Shurmur - who hired Bettcher (the one who Arians wanted to replace him in AZ)
Signed two new O-linemen, including a capable LT
Did not keep marginal OL talent (Pugh, Richburg)
Traded for new LB
Signed several veteran DBs
Signed veteran RB
Created about $20M in cap space for 2019 by trading an overpriced DE AND got an additional third round pick
Can't wait to see how he handle's the draft ... I think we are going to be in for a couple of surprises.
desperate signing by JR when they extended, just didnt make any sense other then, glad he is gone. Started his career with a bang playing behind some all time greats, but at as soon as he got his chance to be "THE GUY" it seemed to blow up in his face.. (Pun intended)
playing 90% of snaps looks alot different if you consider all the plays he disappears on and has zero impact. havent seen him make a big play or stop on 3rd down since 2011.
We gained a 3rd rd pick out of it, only paid him for 2 of the years and got out of it before it gets much worse.
It wound up being a crappy deal to give him when all was said and done, but it's also why it's not worth going insane over contracts. We got rid of it and gained an asset out of it.
We have another hole to fill now, but whatever. What's done is done. Didn't do much damage.
We have not been able to get pressure on the QB for years. A team with all day to pass will hurt you. It's not all on JPP but it was time for a change. New defensive coordinator and new schemes sometimes calls for different skills. We may take a step back at first but I'm excited to start filling this defense with a new attitude. Hopefully Gettleman and staff have the right names on their draft board.
JPP was going to be a $17.5M cap hit in 2018. Now he’s a $15M cap hit.
You do the math.
Interesting...so it saves a few Mill this year which is helpful. But what people aren't saying is it frees a huge amount of cap space in 2019/2020, it looks like $14.5m in 2019 and $12.5m in 2020, is that correct?
There's not a lot of FA left we want to sign so a ton of space wouldn't be a much benefit, but the cap space is a big help going forward.
Sounds like you missed his 2011 season...
So, now it's confirmed that this move had nothing to do with the locker room.
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I was throw the tv out the window furious. Felt he was too raw with a high probability of being just another guy. He never was anything special and then he stupidly blew off half his hand. My opinion has not changed. Glad to close this chapter of Giant history.
He was absolutely special in his first few years and worked his tail off to get back... He is not a leader and once he got paid...
Once he got paid he proceeded to go out play 91% of all defensive snaps. He really mailed it in.
That 15M bonus money is on the books.....we save his guaranteed salary of 11.25 and roster bonus of 1M and workout bonus of 0.25, or 12.5M is saved.....thus we have dead money on him of 2.5M.....we created no cap relief as I see it for 2018......but after that, we saved 27M over the two following years....
That said, I'm open to the possibility that they are already convinced of Chubb's pro bowl potential. We'll probably never know.
That 15M bonus money is on the books.....we save his guaranteed salary of 11.25 and roster bonus of 1M and workout bonus of 0.25, or 12.5M is saved.....thus we have dead money on him of 2.5M.....we created no cap relief as I see it for 2018......but after that, we saved 27M over the two following years....
They created only 2.5 million of cap room this season but 19.5 million for next season. This was clearly a move towards the future.
might be semantics, but 69th pick isn't middle round. Dalvin Tomlinson was the 55th pick last year. He was practically a better player than JPP day 1 and he's under team control for 4-5 years. This trade is a steal.
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This is as much about cleaning up the locker room as it was about 'fitting a scheme' and 'clearing cap space'.
So, now it's confirmed that this move had nothing to do with the locker room.
LOL.
and the pick. The 69th pick in the draft has a lot of value. Dalvin Tomlinson was 55th pick last year.
...could be huge!
If we play it smart (and maybe with a little luck), maybe that 69th pick ends up as a starting offensive lineman!
Or, maybe it's combined with our 66th pick to move up into the second round to snag someone who inexplicably fell out of Round One, and turns into a solid starter!!!
DG has only seven fingers? Never knew!
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2007, long snapper
The second longest tenured Giants draft pick is.....OBJ
(Eli was not technically a Giants draft pick)
Was JPP the last remaining draft pick from 2010-2013?
From 2008 to 2013
2013: Pugh signed with Arizona, Hankins, Damontre Moore, Nassib are FA. Rest of the 2013 class is out of the league.
2012: Everyone from the 2012 draft class is out of the league
2011: Prince Amukamara is with the Bears. The rest of that class is out of the league
2010: JPP just traded to Tampa, Linval currently a star DT with the Vikings. The rest of that class is out of the league
2009: Will Beatty is a backup OT with the Eagles. The rest of that class is out of the league
2008: The entire 2008 draft class is out of the league
God this is pathetic
So many pundits are predicting what the Giants will do with the second pick the draft; some with wording that makes it seems like they know.
The JPP deal comes out of the clear blue, not one rumor from our esteemed Giants beat writers or any of the big football media.
No one knows yet what the Giants will do with the second pick in the draft. Is is also very possible, that the Giants still do not know.
This here.. I've heard NYG is like a vault right now. Caught wind on some interest but that's literally about it. A lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as "from my sources".
No one else is jumping to 1. Buffalo would have to give up way too much. Only Denver has a shot and the I got this feeling the Jets want Mayfield (Not sure Denver or the Jets want a pick that is too similar to recent busts).
I also see, reading the pro day reviews, that everyone is back on the Darnold train. I can't see Cleveland passing one more time on a or the top QB. Even if Darnold bombs, they can point to the fact that he was the consensus #1 pick. If they pick anyone else and they bomb, the hot seat will get some juice.
I don't want a QB anyway. A trade with Denver would be fine. You can get Nelson, their #2 and next year's 1 which can be used to move up for a QB.
May as well get something for him now, even though that's a lot of dead money.
Given the Gettleman Era, JPP was a very expensive one-year rental, that's all. The Giant got out of the lease and did pretty well, I think.
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2007, long snapper
The second longest tenured Giants draft pick is.....OBJ
(Eli was not technically a Giants draft pick)
Was JPP the last remaining draft pick from 2010-2013?
From 2008 to 2013
2013: Pugh signed with Arizona, Hankins, Damontre Moore, Nassib are FA. Rest of the 2013 class is out of the league.
2012: Everyone from the 2012 draft class is out of the league
2011: Prince Amukamara is with the Bears. The rest of that class is out of the league
2010: JPP just traded to Tampa, Linval currently a star DT with the Vikings. The rest of that class is out of the league
2009: Will Beatty is a backup OT with the Eagles. The rest of that class is out of the league
2008: The entire 2008 draft class is out of the league
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?
You pick odd hills to die on.
He absolutely was something special in 2011. Never played at that level again, though.
According to the NFLPA public cap report, as of March 22, 11 a.m. ET, the Giants had just $3,415,606 of cap space left, a total that is not believed to include the signing of defensive end Josh Mauro (who probably didn’t get a one-year minimum salary deal).
The removal of JPP’s contract gives the Giants just $2.5 million in savings, which is calculated by taking the $17.5 million he was due to count for against this year’s cap and subtracting the remaining $15 million in prorated signing bonus money from that total.
Sigh.
JPP was going to be a $17.5M cap hit in 2018. Now he’s a $15M cap hit.
You do the math.
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2.5M this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You pick odd hills to die on.
As long as he dies, who cares?
OOHH! He's back, ladies and gentlemen, and he's still BAD!
If Chubb becomes a Giant it will be more surprising than this trade. Much more.
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He absolutely was something special in 2011. Never played at that level again, though.
I need to add that JPP had 16 sacks and many of them were from the inside position in the NASCAR package. Lets not forget that the other DE's on the team were OSI, Tuck and KIWI. Our D Line was stacked. JPP was not a starter. He had a very good year. But he was a rotational player.
We traded away a prototypical 4-3 DE that is the odd man out in a 3-4 to draft another 4-3 DE?
That should be a lesson to all of us. Things change. Career paths are not always straight lines upward.
JPP did the Giants a huge favor when he blew his hand up. He gave them an out. Instead they foolishly stuck with him. They doubled down on that foolishness when they franchised him. They then doubled down on THAT foolishness with this ridiculous contract.
Foolishness, sentimentality, and myopia have marked the moves made by this team for years now. If Gettleman is going to undo those mistakes then trading JPP should just be the beginning.
Good Luck JPP.
Fired Ross
Hired Shurmur - who hired Bettcher (the one who Arians wanted to replace him in AZ)
Signed two new O-linemen, including a capable LT
Did not keep marginal OL talent (Pugh, Richburg)
Traded for new LB
Signed several veteran DBs
Signed veteran RB
Created about $20M in cap space for 2019 by trading an overpriced DE AND got an additional third round pick
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I remember thinking that he was going to be a HOFer.
That should be a lesson to all of us. Things change. Career paths are not always straight lines upward.
JPP did the Giants a huge favor when he blew his hand up. He gave them an out. Instead they foolishly stuck with him. They doubled down on that foolishness when they franchised him. They then doubled down on THAT foolishness with this ridiculous contract.
Foolishness, sentimentality, and myopia have marked the moves made by this team for years now. If Gettleman is going to undo those mistakes then trading JPP should just be the beginning.
Reese's biggest fault is pride. His failures as GM all come from his inability to see when he made a mistake.
Fired Ross
Hired Shurmur - who hired Bettcher (the one who Arians wanted to replace him in AZ)
Signed two new O-linemen, including a capable LT
Did not keep marginal OL talent (Pugh, Richburg)
Traded for new LB
Signed several veteran DBs
Signed veteran RB
Created about $20M in cap space for 2019 by trading an overpriced DE AND got an additional third round pick
Can't wait to see how he handle's the draft ... I think we are going to be in for a couple of surprises.
playing 90% of snaps looks alot different if you consider all the plays he disappears on and has zero impact. havent seen him make a big play or stop on 3rd down since 2011.
good riddance.
We really didn't lose anything by re-upping him.
We gained a 3rd rd pick out of it, only paid him for 2 of the years and got out of it before it gets much worse.
It wound up being a crappy deal to give him when all was said and done, but it's also why it's not worth going insane over contracts. We got rid of it and gained an asset out of it.
We have another hole to fill now, but whatever. What's done is done. Didn't do much damage.
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2.5M this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You pick odd hills to die on.
lol.
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2.5M this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh.
JPP was going to be a $17.5M cap hit in 2018. Now he’s a $15M cap hit.
You do the math.
Interesting...so it saves a few Mill this year which is helpful. But what people aren't saying is it frees a huge amount of cap space in 2019/2020, it looks like $14.5m in 2019 and $12.5m in 2020, is that correct?
There's not a lot of FA left we want to sign so a ton of space wouldn't be a much benefit, but the cap space is a big help going forward.