Giants now have no one on roster from 2008-2013 drafts...

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abysmal drafting...

In comment 13879525 PEEJ said:

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Do you realize how disgusting this is?

In comment 13879530 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 13879525 PEEJ said: Quote: Not ! Do you realize how disgusting this is?

Huh ?

some of the better players and better picks aren't gone due to a lack of talent.

Wilson, Jones, Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, all ended early due to injuries.

Plus they never even gave Stoney Woodson a chance, man!

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to receive a second contract. What a disaster of a GM.

And not in a good way.

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Six drafts and no one list left? That's beyond disgusting.

In comment 13879560 Eric from BBI said:

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Six drafts and no one list left? That's beyond disgusting.

I thought you were talking about my comment. LOL

I believe are still even on NFL rosters...scary !!

Kenny Phillips: Injured
Hankins: Free Agency
Hakeem Nicks: Injured
Randle:Bust
Austin:Bust
Joseph: Free Agency
JPP: 7 years + SB46
Prince: Free Agency
Wilson:Injured
Pugh:Free Agency
Terrell Thomas: Injured
Mario Manningham: Injured

Even I could of managed this feat with a beer in my had and throwing darts at the draft board.
Way to go High paid guessing guy!

3-13

Thank god that era is over. Just wish it ended a few years sooner.

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Wilson, Jones, Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, all ended early due to injuries.

this is equal indictment on Coughlin and Strength and Conditioning staff

Too many players that were great had injuries shorten careers with GIants

For Example . Nicks started to have a few nagging injuries - nothing career threatening and yet poor rehabilitation from Giants S & C staff, shortened his career , Nick might still be contributing to team (Nicks in only 30 years old .) Instead his career is OVER at 26 and Giants have to spend number 1 to get a new WR OBJ.. instead of filling massive holes in our team .

In comment 13879544 GiantFilthy said:

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some of the better players and better picks aren't gone due to a lack of talent. Wilson, Jones, Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, all ended early due to injuries. Plus they never even gave Stoney Woodson a chance, man!

While the drafting got steadily worse during that period, I still refute the notion I've seen on here that the 2008 draft was a bad class.

Round 1 (31st) -- Kenny Phillips (S) ...
Round 2 (63rd) -- Terrell Thomas (CB) ...
Round 3 (95th) -- Mario Manningham (WR) ...
Round 4 (123rd) -- Bryan Kehl (OLB) ...
Round 5 (165th) -- Jonathan Goff (MLB) ...
Round 6 (198th) -- Andre Woodson (QB) ...
Round 6 (199th -- compensatory pick -- Robert Henderson (DE)

The first three picks were all good players, and Goff was showing some belated promise before his knee exploded. Kehl didn't work out here but hung around the league for a bit before his knee exploded.

Fun fact: the first 5 players in this draft essentially injured themselves out of the league before their second contacts. (4 acl's and one arthritic knee)

In comment 13879560 Eric from BBI said:

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Six drafts and no one list left? That's beyond disgusting.

If you think about it, it's quite an accomplishment. :-)

I don't think anyone could go 0 for 45 in 6 years worht of drafts if they tried. You could throw darts at a board and do better than that. Yet this asshole was able to convince Mara/Tisch that everybody else in the building was the problem.

This says more about Mara/Tisch than Reese/Ross. Most of us knew Reese/Ross were terrible by 2013, almost all of us did by 2015. Ownership needed to let him hire Ray Handley Jr first to figure it out.

In comment 13879645 bigbluescot said:

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In comment 13879544 GiantFilthy said: Quote: some of the better players and better picks aren't gone due to a lack of talent. Wilson, Jones, Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, all ended early due to injuries. Plus they never even gave Stoney Woodson a chance, man! While the drafting got steadily worse during that period, I still refute the notion I've seen on here that the 2008 draft was a bad class. Round 1 (31st) -- Kenny Phillips (S) ... Round 2 (63rd) -- Terrell Thomas (CB) ... Round 3 (95th) -- Mario Manningham (WR) ... Round 4 (123rd) -- Bryan Kehl (OLB) ... Round 5 (165th) -- Jonathan Goff (MLB) ... Round 6 (198th) -- Andre Woodson (QB) ... Round 6 (199th -- compensatory pick -- Robert Henderson (DE) The first three picks were all good players, and Goff was showing some belated promise before his knee exploded. Kehl didn't work out here but hung around the league for a bit before his knee exploded. Fun fact: the first 5 players in this draft essentially injured themselves out of the league before their second contacts. (4 acl's and one arthritic knee)

this is revisonist history. Kehl and Goff SUCKED. Manningham was a good #3 threat but very inconsistent, not vry bright.. THey drafted Thomas knowing he had a severe knee operation in college. It was only a matter of time. Phillips is the only one who was legitimately bad luck.

In comment 13879530 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 13879525 PEEJ said: Quote: Not ! Do you realize how disgusting this is?

it sucks....but don't live in the past. Gettleman is a fresh start and a new beginning. What matters now is drafts starting this year.

In comment 13879684 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13879645 bigbluescot said: Quote: In comment 13879544 GiantFilthy said: Quote: some of the better players and better picks aren't gone due to a lack of talent. Wilson, Jones, Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, all ended early due to injuries. Plus they never even gave Stoney Woodson a chance, man! While the drafting got steadily worse during that period, I still refute the notion I've seen on here that the 2008 draft was a bad class. Round 1 (31st) -- Kenny Phillips (S) ... Round 2 (63rd) -- Terrell Thomas (CB) ... Round 3 (95th) -- Mario Manningham (WR) ... Round 4 (123rd) -- Bryan Kehl (OLB) ... Round 5 (165th) -- Jonathan Goff (MLB) ... Round 6 (198th) -- Andre Woodson (QB) ... Round 6 (199th -- compensatory pick -- Robert Henderson (DE) The first three picks were all good players, and Goff was showing some belated promise before his knee exploded. Kehl didn't work out here but hung around the league for a bit before his knee exploded. Fun fact: the first 5 players in this draft essentially injured themselves out of the league before their second contacts. (4 acl's and one arthritic knee) this is revisonist history. Kehl and Goff SUCKED. Manningham was a good #3 threat but very inconsistent, not vry bright.. THey drafted Thomas knowing he had a severe knee operation in college. It was only a matter of time. Phillips is the only one who was legitimately bad luck.

Goff started 20 games for this team and had to retire because of a two torn ACLs. He didn't suck.

but even five years is an eternity in the NFL, the average career is already done for a player drafted in 2013.

the league average numbers are for this.

The average career is less than 4 years. The number of players that resign with their original team is extremely small, for good and bad reasons (sometimes the market overvalues them and they choose to leave) Sometimes we think we can get better value on the FA market. And the only positiion where you really, really need stability is QB, and we got ours in 2004.

So theat statement is meaningless. What more meaningful is weather or not we have won anything over that time, and unfortunatelt all we have is one playoff appearance.

If they re-signed second contracts with the Giants it might actually mean they could be worse picks than if they left for free agency and the team couldn’t afford them (Hankins, Richburg, etc.)

WTF?

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For Example . Nicks started to have a few nagging injuries - nothing career threatening and yet poor rehabilitation from Giants S & C staff, shortened his career , Nick might still be contributing to team (Nicks in only 30 years old .) Instead his career is OVER at 26 and Giants have to spend number 1 to get a new WR OBJ..

Nicks had compartment syndrome that caused permanent nerve damage. How in the fuck is that the fault of S&C?

It didn't happen as part of rehab - it happened in a game!!

It wasn't nagging injuries. He had a couple serious lower leg injuries, one of which resulting in a situation that could have resulted in amputation.

The naivety here is mind-blowing.

In comment 13880075 ZGiants98 said:

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If they re-signed second contracts with the Giants it might actually mean they could be worse picks than if they left for free agency and the team couldn’t afford them (Hankins, Richburg, etc.)

The Giants don't have any players on this team from SIX consecutive drafts including drafts as recent as four years ago and that is not "profound"???

only Flowers, OBJ, and Collins is left.

In comment 13879684 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13879645 bigbluescot said: Quote: In comment 13879544 GiantFilthy said: Quote: some of the better players and better picks aren't gone due to a lack of talent. Wilson, Jones, Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, all ended early due to injuries. Plus they never even gave Stoney Woodson a chance, man! While the drafting got steadily worse during that period, I still refute the notion I've seen on here that the 2008 draft was a bad class. Round 1 (31st) -- Kenny Phillips (S) ... Round 2 (63rd) -- Terrell Thomas (CB) ... Round 3 (95th) -- Mario Manningham (WR) ... Round 4 (123rd) -- Bryan Kehl (OLB) ... Round 5 (165th) -- Jonathan Goff (MLB) ... Round 6 (198th) -- Andre Woodson (QB) ... Round 6 (199th -- compensatory pick -- Robert Henderson (DE) The first three picks were all good players, and Goff was showing some belated promise before his knee exploded. Kehl didn't work out here but hung around the league for a bit before his knee exploded. Fun fact: the first 5 players in this draft essentially injured themselves out of the league before their second contacts. (4 acl's and one arthritic knee) this is revisonist history. Kehl and Goff SUCKED. Manningham was a good #3 threat but very inconsistent, not vry bright.. THey drafted Thomas knowing he had a severe knee operation in college. It was only a matter of time. Phillips is the only one who was legitimately bad luck.

Goff was actually playing quite well. He was the clear starting MLB and beginning to look like a top player before his injuries.

Howe many players drafted before 2010 are still the league. I would guess very few. If an NFL team gets 5 good years from a draft pick I would guess that's a great pick now.

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But what percentage of players are left on any team from a draft a decade ago?

Jones as a great pick?

The guy never played.....we have no idea of what he might have done...he was drafted in the 3rd round....need I say more?

and I still wonder why it took so many others, including ownership, so long to see why.

About all the stellar free agency signings too.

In comment 13880384 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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About all the stellar free agency signings too.

what, you didn't like Brandon Myers? :-)

In comment 13880167 Bockman said:

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But what percentage of players are left on any team from a draft a decade ago?

Please don't bring in logic when Eric and company are in their "loud angry noises" mood. They will answer with more "loud angry noises" instead

the avg NFL career is under 3 yrs. yet you’re going back 9 drafts? That’s a little extreme don’t you think?

In comment 13880491 Dave on the UWS said:

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the avg NFL career is under 3 yrs. yet you’re going back 9 drafts? That’s a little extreme don’t you think?

It's six consecutive drafts ending with the draft from four years ago. NOT ONE PLAYER LEFT.

No, it's not extreme. Not even close.

In comment 13880457 Semipro Lineman said:

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In comment 13880167 Bockman said: Quote: But what percentage of players are left on any team from a draft a decade ago? Please don't bring in logic when Eric and company are in their "loud angry noises" mood. They will answer with more "loud angry noises" instead

+1

You can do you cute +1 all you want. They have no players left on their roster from six consecutive drafts...we're not just talking 10 years ago, but 4, 5, and 6.

Guess what, the most recent drafts since then aren't looking so good either.

assuming Nat Berhe and Jay Bromely are gone, we have one player left from the 2014 draft.

We have two players left from the 2015 draft.

What does it take for you guys to open up your fucking eyes?

Remind me again: how many teams in the league have zero players left from 2008-13? How many other than the Giants have less than 5?

Btw, remember back to when Reese would make a seemingly strange drfr pick, or would leave an entire squad (OL, LB) undermanned, and people would say, "Don't worry, Reese knows what he's doing."?

It's often called confirmation bias. I had it too, btw.

a terrible post by manh george.

In comment 13880643 Eric from BBI said:

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assuming Nat Berhe and Jay Bromely are gone, we have one player left from the 2014 draft. We have two players left from the 2015 draft. What does it take for you guys to open up your fucking eyes?

Jints fans are some of the smartest in football. See?

How can we not have one player left? This is very extreme and is disheartening.

In comment 13880668 yankeeslover said:

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How can we not have one player left? This is very extreme and is disheartening.

I am adding more to my post. This is very troubling. Not one player left from even 4 years ago? How do others not find this troubling?

In comment 13880640 Eric from BBI said:

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You can do you cute +1 all you want. They have no players left on their roster from six consecutive drafts...we're not just talking 10 years ago, but 4, 5, and 6. Guess what, the most recent drafts since then aren't looking so good either.

What do you mean Eric, all is well!!! :-)

2014 - 1 player left (OBJ), 2015 - 2 players (Collins and Flowers, who is hanging on by a thread).

2016 and 2017 seem promising, but it's still too soon to fairly say.

I am holding out some faint hope for Flowers becoming a steady player. New scheme that actually helps the OL, better OL coach MIGHT make a difference, but not holding my breath. I still think Apple has a chance depending on where his head is at. He showed alot in 2016. If last year was caused by his mother's illness, maybe he bounces back. Maybe.

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