Sy'56 - DE question

and not the greatest site, but here is the 3-4 DE list from Walter
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appreciate it

Vince Woolfork out there?

In comment 13879886 SterlingArcher said:

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Vince Woolfork out there?

Snacks

is not a #2 pick guy.
Maybe a 12,a 22 likely.
Elijifor, Phillips are rated at value.

that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role:

Da'Ron Payne - Alabama
Rasheem Greene - USC
Taven Bryan - Florida
Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State
RJ McIntosh - Miami

In comment 13879971 Sy'56 said:

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that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role: Da'Ron Payne - Alabama Rasheem Greene - USC Taven Bryan - Florida Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State RJ McIntosh - Miami

McIntosh had a terrific year. Excellent call...

Consider even Vita Vea as a potentially dominant 3/4 run defending end with an actual rush upside once we engage the single gap attacking scheme. If they double him Harrison will make them pay...or OV...will.

But, by all means, in addition to a quickness first step type end as well.

Tomlinson/Harrison/Vea

He played as a pass rushing outside linebacker in college and is probably big enough (264 lbs) to play defensive end if we use some 4-3 looks.

In comment 13879971 Sy'56 said:

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that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role: Da'Ron Payne - Alabama Rasheem Greene - USC Taven Bryan - Florida Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State RJ McIntosh - Miami

Couple of guys I mentioned in the pinned JPP thread were McIntosh and Green.

Sy, if somehow he were available, I mentioned Maurice Hurst. He has a pro day coming up and if he really impresses and the medical question is answered at least satisfactory, is that a consideration in round 2, and do you think he will even fall that far?

I also love Derek Nnadi and think he has the quickness and the size to play DE in the 3-4, and he can play all over that defensive front. At NT, only on passing downs.

In comment 13880042 idiotsavant said:

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Tomlinson/Harrison/Vea

Vea I think would be a NT only, but it's interesting to think of him as a 3-4 end. He's going to be a great player, I don't think it's going to be with us because of Snacks.

I would select Landry.
He is perfect for a 3-4, and is a great edge rusher.

In comment 13880090 Archer said:

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I would select Landry. He is perfect for a 3-4, and is a great edge rusher.

That's fine but the thread was about 3-4 DE's. Landry is a OLB in the 3-4. Same with Edmunds and probably Davenport.

In comment 13880090 Archer said:

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I would select Landry. He is perfect for a 3-4, and is a great edge rusher.

His 2016 season was superb. It was too bad the ankle was such a set-back this year. I think he's got the Pats written all over him...

In comment 13880063 allstarjim said:

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In comment 13879971 Sy'56 said: Quote: that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role: Da'Ron Payne - Alabama Rasheem Greene - USC Taven Bryan - Florida Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State RJ McIntosh - Miami Couple of guys I mentioned in the pinned JPP thread were McIntosh and Green. Sy, if somehow he were available, I mentioned Maurice Hurst. He has a pro day coming up and if he really impresses and the medical question is answered at least satisfactory, is that a consideration in round 2, and do you think he will even fall that far? I also love Derek Nnadi and think he has the quickness and the size to play DE in the 3-4, and he can play all over that defensive front. At NT, only on passing downs.

Hurst...all depends on how serious this heart condition is. I like him a lot as a penetrating DT...I'm not sure he is the best traditional 3-4 DE but Aaron Donald fits the role well with his own spin on it and Hurst has some of that movement ability in him.

I do think he is there in round 2 and I do think he is a possibility.

In comment 13880245 Sy'56 said:

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In comment 13880063 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 13879971 Sy'56 said: Quote: that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role: Da'Ron Payne - Alabama Rasheem Greene - USC Taven Bryan - Florida Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State RJ McIntosh - Miami Couple of guys I mentioned in the pinned JPP thread were McIntosh and Green. Sy, if somehow he were available, I mentioned Maurice Hurst. He has a pro day coming up and if he really impresses and the medical question is answered at least satisfactory, is that a consideration in round 2, and do you think he will even fall that far? I also love Derek Nnadi and think he has the quickness and the size to play DE in the 3-4, and he can play all over that defensive front. At NT, only on passing downs. Hurst...all depends on how serious this heart condition is. I like him a lot as a penetrating DT...I'm not sure he is the best traditional 3-4 DE but Aaron Donald fits the role well with his own spin on it and Hurst has some of that movement ability in him. I do think he is there in round 2 and I do think he is a possibility.

Thanks. Obviously the risk is there with the heart condition but if he didn't have that there's no way he'd be on the board in the 2nd round. Hopefully the docs say he can continue to play football with low risk.

In comment 13879971 Sy'56 said:

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that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role: Da'Ron Payne - Alabama Rasheem Greene - USC Taven Bryan - Florida Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State RJ McIntosh - Miami

Nathan Shepherd will be the best of this bunch
Last nights thread I had him in my mock
In round 4 but he will go higher

He's participating in Michigan's pro day tomorrow. But I don't see how he's a first round pick anymore, the question to me is whether or not he's taken in the second.

I'm not alone. There are pundits listing 3/4 end as an option for Vea.

People tend to overlook due to 'too big' but he's an unusual athlete for a 340lber. To say the least.

Play him next to snacks and we become a pain to play against from snap 1.

You can always rotate in the first step type or an olb/de type on those long D and D downs. But even that. Not necessary with the right 'lbs'.

More likely Tomlinson would come out, go w the two bigs and a 3 true rushers, 4 S 3 C.

Make that 3 safeties.

Pride of Detroit or sbnation is one of the ones who said 3/4 end would be veas best position.

Think of that next to Harrison both can beat double blocks, wreck lines, make plays ...

In comment 13880394 idiotsavant said:

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I'm not alone. There are pundits listing 3/4 end as an option for Vea. People tend to overlook due to 'too big' but he's an unusual athlete for a 340lber. To say the least. Play him next to snacks and we become a pain to play against from snap 1. You can always rotate in the first step type or an olb/de type on those long D and D downs. But even that. Not necessary with the right 'lbs'. More likely Tomlinson would come out, go w the two bigs and a 3 true rushers, 4 S 3 C.

You know what...you are absolutely right. I think he is that special of an athlete and I sold him short only viewing him through the lens of a NT. In fact, I think his versatility to play both would make him more attractive to the Giants.

In comment 13879971 Sy'56 said:

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that I think can handle the 3-4 DE role: Da'Ron Payne - Alabama Rasheem Greene - USC Taven Bryan - Florida Nathan Shepherd - Fort Hays State RJ McIntosh - Miami

Da'Ron Payne seems like a Gettleman kind of guy.

Gettleman is certainly willing to go DLine early in the draft. If the Giants were to trade down with the Bills for example, I think Payne would be very much in the mix