I feel like a retool or reload would mean the Giants fill holes and feel like they can be contenders in 2018.
Rebuild means blow it up. Rebuild from the ground up with only key core pieces remaining.
You can say what you want about JPP, he was at worst solid against the run and decent rushing the passer a very versatile two-way DE. You can say his sacks all came against garbage teams or garbage OL, but whose among the sack leaders fattened up with sacks against Tyron Smith or Joe Thomas? no one.
Anyway, that's a major hole to fill with very little cap relief to fill it (15M in dead space) in 2018. JPP played 92% of snaps.
Have to wonder if the Giants really feel like they can be competitive in 2018.
Right now Mauro and Tomlinson are probably the DEs.
Sorry, I didn't realize, I know there's obviously discussion, do you want me to delete this one? I don't mind (or you can delete it).
You mean half-assed? (hi Fatman!)
Yeah, but they can't do anything with those guys yet. If we draft a QB, who knows what we do with Eli. So much more to learn in this offseason before we really know the answer to this, IMO.
He has slowed down so much and just isn't close to the player he used to be. It's a win of a trade for us in so many ways. We can now pay OBJ and Collins next year.
As a OLB he is too slow and terrible in space. As a 34 lineman, we could find someone who could fill in and do just as much if not a better job for much cheaper. To get a 3rd rounder out of this is a great get for us IMO.
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the roster is being torn down yet, the big cap savings and players that would signal a rebuild are a year away.
Yeah, but they can't do anything with those guys yet. If we draft a QB, who knows what we do with Eli. So much more to learn in this offseason before we really know the answer to this, IMO.
but the point is they're creating many un-fillable holes IMO, at least unfillable with known quality players.
Who fills DRC's spot? Who fills JPP's spot? Who plays RT?
Did they replace Kennard?
and if they are fully rebuilding it makes the signing of someone like Jonathan Stewart more questionable.
I agree it's probably too soon to tell, but signs are to me they're not expecting to content, even if they hope to, until I see how they fill those holes (and sure it could be a base D scheme change as part of it).
Based on the big contracts out they have a year from now, the rebuild question is a year away.
2. New coaching staff
3. New O scheme
4. New D scheme
5. A number of new faces on both sides of the ball
6. A number of players gone (some will be missed, others were taking up space)
I was surprised JPP was traded, not because of any delusion about the player, but mainly because it does not free up immediately usable cap space.
if it did, then I'd say sure the Giants are going to sign someone, trade for someone, or somehow fill the hole.
Now I wouldn't be surprised if anyone was traded - Vernon, Jack rabbit, Beckham.
Even Eli.
The last part isn't likely tho, Snacks, OB, LC are core foundation parts.
Also, says Giants are going 3-4.
Exactly. And Eli’s contract is up after next season
Collins will also need to be re-signed. This coming year is his last under contract. Of course there's the FT, but it should be a last resort.
Between Beckham and Collins you could have the highest paid WR and highest paid S on the team together, and the highest paid LT (as of today, who knows what tomorrow holds for that position someone will probably pass Solder, but he's not cheap), better hope the Giants go QB in the draft and part ways with Eli or cap space could hinder any significant rebuild.
lol, fine, they are retooling.
Escaping the worst contract on their books helps relieve the pressure of bad past decisions and their weight moving forward. But, they have an easy out on OV's contract next Winter, and he's from the prior regime. All bets are off.
I agree, but I also felt he and JPP made each other better.
I felt like JPP (and Vernon) could have benefitted from a rotation (like the Eagles use) instead of playing 90+% of the snaps.
56, good to see you posting again. Vernon has been really injury prone in his young career. If he can't stay healthy and effective this season again, it might be the smart move to let him go.
Also, says Giants are going 3-4.
-Trading JPP creates an immediate hole, he played 92% of the snaps last season. So it's not like we traded a player we didn't use. He's a 3 down player and those typically are hard to replace.
-We eliminate a contract basically starting next year. The 2.5m in savings doesn't do much for us this year. Having 15m of salary counting against the cap this year for a player we don't have is not a move done for now but for the future.
In all I think it was a great move. To be able to move that contract for a 3rd was a good move looking beyond this year.
It kind of gives us a peak into where Gettlemans thought process is.
Has to be an OBJ deal or a trade. Franchising him "for a couple of years" would equate to over $35M guaranteed $$$.
Why not just sign him to a 5 or 6 year deal with $50M guaranteed and get more value.
You end up paying more that way. Less ability to build out the team because all his money is in one year against the cap. And: For a player to be tagged two-straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary. If it's three-straight years, the team must pay the player 144 percent of his previous salary.
Some parallels to the whole 2004 Eli/Warner transition, but what made Eli's growth from 2004-2006 possible was having Tiki cranking 1500, 1700, 1850 yards. Do not see that type of RB emerging to help the #2 pick QB.
Gettleman came in and immediately fired Marc Ross. We have begun dismantling this team from top to bottom. I don't believe he would be dumb enough to put the long term sustainability of this franchise on Eli's shoulders.
To that end, Eli's contract comes off the books next year and now, no matter what, so does JPP's. We are now in potentially great cap position next season. We will have plenty of cap space to resign our own players - Beckham and Collins - if we want to do so. I imagine we will resign Collins, but ODB is more in the air. He may have to continue playing on one year deals unless and until he proves he is mature enough to get a long term deal.
If we start 0 for September again it will be revisited far sooner.
Some parallels to the whole 2004 Eli/Warner transition, but what made Eli's growth from 2004-2006 possible was having Tiki cranking 1500, 1700, 1850 yards. Do not see that type of RB emerging to help the #2 pick QB.
I can see Sony Michel helping Darnold out quite a bit.
As others have said, OBJ needs to prove he has the maturity to warrant a multi year investment. If he gets his head on straight he will get a huge contract here, if not he may still stick around on the tag for a year or two. I'm hoping he turns a corner this year, if he focuses his energy correctly he will be an all time great. He has that kind of talent.
OV may benefit from the scheme change, and a reduction in snaps. He has the ability to be a core guy in this defense.
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gets revisited next offseason, while they continue to reshape the roster.
If we start 0 for September again it will be revisited far sooner.
It won't matter unless they pick a QB at #2 ...
just hope there's more of a better picture by then as to whom will be stepping in for eli..whether Webb, draft choice, or FA.
If they don't draft one of the qbs this draft then, just me, I'd be a bit nervous about when eli leaves