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Bradley Chubb rumors

AnskyJK : 3/22/2018 12:55 pm
Ton of media hype today for NYG & Bradley Chubb with Giants moving on from JPP. What am i missing here, he seems to be a perfect fit for 4-3 not 3-4?
4-3 DE  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 12:58 pm : link
Could he play a 3-4 end? Yes, probably. But you wouldn't want to use the #2 pick on him to do that, IMO, and to me the draft board is:

Darnold
Barkley

Unless you trade down. If Darnold goes 1 and the Giants trade down to #5 with Denver and Barkley goes at #4, then ok, it's a possibility, I guess. I still think they go Quenton Nelson in that scenario but at least it's more of a possibility.

Not at #2.
RE: 4-3 DE  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13880331 allstarjim said:
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Could he play a 3-4 end? Yes, probably. But you wouldn't want to use the #2 pick on him to do that, IMO, and to me the draft board is:

Darnold
Barkley

Unless you trade down. If Darnold goes 1 and the Giants trade down to #5 with Denver and Barkley goes at #4, then ok, it's a possibility, I guess. I still think they go Quenton Nelson in that scenario but at least it's more of a possibility.

Not at #2.


Giants are not going to be in 3-4 every single down..

Plus in a 3-4 he may be more versatile because you can move him everywhere
according  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 1:00 pm : link
to those who know Bettcher's defense better than me, he uses a one-gap 3-4 system... not a traditional 2-gap system. Plus, my expectation is it will be a bit of a hybrid.
RE: 4-3 DE  
Section131 : 3/22/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13880331 allstarjim said:
Quote:
Could he play a 3-4 end? Yes, probably. But you wouldn't want to use the #2 pick on him to do that, IMO, and to me the draft board is:

Darnold
Barkley

Unless you trade down. If Darnold goes 1 and the Giants trade down to #5 with Denver and Barkley goes at #4, then ok, it's a possibility, I guess. I still think they go Quenton Nelson in that scenario but at least it's more of a possibility.

Not at #2.



Seriously get out of my head! This is how I see it 10000%
Gettelman is really outmaneuvering everyone else right now...  
Torrag : 3/22/2018 1:03 pm : link
...who knew he had some river boat gambler in him? I'm feeling very good about our position right now. I was before but with every smart move my confidence in him increases.

I am starting to get this gut feeling that when the Draft actually rolls around and the Commish steps on the podium the NY Giants and not the Cleveland Browns will somehow hold the #1 overall selection.
Why do so many people  
madeinstars : 3/22/2018 1:03 pm : link
Confuse mindless speculation for rumors?
If chubb is the target  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:03 pm : link
Absolutely trading down
RE: 4-3 DE  
Eman11 : 3/22/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13880331 allstarjim said:
Quote:
Could he play a 3-4 end? Yes, probably. But you wouldn't want to use the #2 pick on him to do that, IMO, and to me the draft board is:

Darnold
Barkley

Unless you trade down. If Darnold goes 1 and the Giants trade down to #5 with Denver and Barkley goes at #4, then ok, it's a possibility, I guess. I still think they go Quenton Nelson in that scenario but at least it's more of a possibility.

Not at #2.


I think if he's there, the Browns go Chubb at 4 and not Barkley. I think their plan all along is to pair him with Garrett and be set with the core of their D line for years.
Still  
AcidTest : 3/22/2018 1:04 pm : link
think it's Barkley or a trade down.
If chubb is the target  
nygiants16 : 3/22/2018 1:04 pm : link
Absolutely trading down
Don't forget Arizona went after JPP in FA  
rasbutant : 3/22/2018 1:04 pm : link
They obviously thought he fit the D. I would think Chubb similar to what JPP role would have been.
1 + 1 = 2  
ZogZerg : 3/22/2018 1:08 pm : link
Giants trade JPP, must want Chubb.

Folks making assumptions is all.
Chubb plays a premium position  
Rflairr : 3/22/2018 1:08 pm : link
At 2 if you don’t choose a QB. Chubb makes a ton more sense than Barkley. A RB at 2? That’s insane when there are potential franchise QBs or Premier Defensive Ends
My take on Chubb  
Frbuff : 3/22/2018 1:11 pm : link
I think as an outside 3-4 standup linebacker primarily blitzing type role will be an impact player..10-15 sack type potential..

As a 3-4 defensive end would be not be ideal not ur protype

as a 4-3 end which seems to be not the direction we are leaning to would be very good not but not possibly as impactfull.

Bottom line..3-4 outside blitzing type all for taking at 2..no issue
This team was already in need of some pass rush before JPP  
Brown Recluse : 3/22/2018 1:11 pm : link
was traded. Now that need is dire

I'd rather the QB or the RB...but Chubb fills a huge void.

The kind of pick that doesn't really excite you, but is pretty sensible.
Speculation not rumor  
AcesUp : 3/22/2018 1:12 pm : link
Big difference.
I dont think JPP's  
QB Snacks : 3/22/2018 1:13 pm : link
status effected what the Giants were doing at the top of the draft. They may love Chubb but it seems like the giants jumped at an opportunity to acquire a good asset and rid themselves of probably their worst contract at the same time.

Stop me if I am wrong  
Emil : 3/22/2018 1:32 pm : link
But I see the ideal type of LDE in the Betcher system as being a J.J. Watt type. Wins with power and explosiveness, not quickness.

Watt is 6-5 290
ran 4.84 at the combine
34 reps on the bench*
37" vertical*
120" broad jump*
6.88 3 cone*
4.21 20yd shuttle*
* = a top performer in that event

Bradly Chubb is 6-4 270

ran 4.65 in the 40
24 reps on the bench
36" vertical
121" broad jump
7.37 3 cone
4.41 20 yd shuttle

Granted these are just combine numbers, but if my comparison is correct, I'm not convinced Chubb is the guy you want at LDE. Certainly open to hearing what more informed minds have to say.
RE: My take on Chubb  
Emil : 3/22/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13880376 Frbuff said:
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I think as an outside 3-4 standup linebacker primarily blitzing type role will be an impact player..10-15 sack type potential..

As a 3-4 defensive end would be not be ideal not ur protype

as a 4-3 end which seems to be not the direction we are leaning to would be very good not but not possibly as impactfull.

Bottom line..3-4 outside blitzing type all for taking at 2..no issue


Also my conclusion.
And could inside run blitz  
idiotsavant : 3/22/2018 1:35 pm : link
In a designed way as well. Assuming you have the right front 3 also.
Don't want to spend the 2nd overall pick on a DE  
GFAN52 : 3/22/2018 1:35 pm : link
It's way too valuable a pick.
Pipe dream prediction just for fun cause I'm bored  
Rory : 3/22/2018 1:38 pm : link
Giants trade back with Buff, acquire 11 & 22 plus their 2nd rounder

Browns : Darnold
Buff : Rosen
Jets : Allen
Browns : Barkley
Broncos : Nelson
Colts : trade to Cards : Mayfield

Giants package a 2nd or 3rd rounder with the 11 pick to TB and move back up to 7th spot and select Chubb

TB gets either Ward or James with the 11.

Giants use the 22 to get OL James Daniels/Mike McGlinchey/Will Hernandez

Day 2 , still have the 2nd pick in 2nd round for RB.
Lets keep in minde that Kareem Martin was a college DE  
Rjanyg : 3/22/2018 1:40 pm : link
and so was Lawrence Taylor. I am not saying they are equal in talent just that if Chubb is athletic enough to drop into the flat once in a while, he can transition to an OLB and then put his hand in the dirt when they go 4 man front. I have heard they will be " MULTIPLE " in the front they will use.

My guess if we draft Chubb he will be attacking like Chandler Jones.
also  
Rory : 3/22/2018 1:41 pm : link
Colts could stay at 5 and take Fitzpatrick or Ward, however they are a threat as they could select Chubb

The Tampa trade could already been discussed during the JPP trade talks.
RE: Pipe dream prediction just for fun cause I'm bored  
EddieNYG : 3/22/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13880453 Rory said:
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Giants trade back with Buff, acquire 11 & 22 plus their 2nd rounder

Browns : Darnold
Buff : Rosen
Jets : Allen
Browns : Barkley
Broncos : Nelson
Colts : trade to Cards : Mayfield

Giants package a 2nd or 3rd rounder with the 11 pick to TB and move back up to 7th spot and select Chubb

TB gets either Ward or James with the 11.

Giants use the 22 to get OL James Daniels/Mike McGlinchey/Will Hernandez

Day 2 , still have the 2nd pick in 2nd round for RB.

Gettleman said you can't get cute on draft day, that would be getting too cute IMO.
Gettleman Has Pretty Obviously Plugged Leaks  
Giants34 : 3/22/2018 2:00 pm : link
I don't know what was going on with Reese's regime, but whatever leaks there were have been plugged. No beat writers - nor our inside guys here (at least none that reported it to us - saw this coming. So all this stuff that the Giants like this guy or that guy or will trade down - particularly coming from the beat writers - means little to me.

I maintain that the Giants will pick a QB at 2 overall because no GM in their right mind is dumb enough to attach their job to a 38 year old QB who has shown clear signs of regression the last couple of years. Yes, I know that Gettleman has said he supports Eli. This is something he should say and really has to publicly say. But if Gettleman is serious about being the GM for the next 10 or 15 years (or maybe longer), he knows he has to have a succession plan for Eli in place now. And that comes in this draft, with the number 2 pick.
RE: according  
Vanzetti : 3/22/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13880339 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
to those who know Bettcher's defense better than me, he uses a one-gap 3-4 system... not a traditional 2-gap system. Plus, my expectation is it will be a bit of a hybrid.


Didn’t Giants really run a hybrid back in the day since LT rushed the passer just about every play?

RE: Stop me if I am wrong  
Vanzetti : 3/22/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13880430 Emil said:
Quote:
But I see the ideal type of LDE in the Betcher system as being a J.J. Watt type. Wins with power and explosiveness, not quickness.

Watt is 6-5 290
ran 4.84 at the combine
34 reps on the bench*
37" vertical*
120" broad jump*
6.88 3 cone*
4.21 20yd shuttle*
* = a top performer in that event

Bradly Chubb is 6-4 270

ran 4.65 in the 40
24 reps on the bench
36" vertical
121" broad jump
7.37 3 cone
4.41 20 yd shuttle

Granted these are just combine numbers, but if my comparison is correct, I'm not convinced Chubb is the guy you want at LDE. Certainly open to hearing what more informed minds have to say.



I think JJ Watt would be ideal in any defense. Hard to find guys like that. Reggie White might be the last one before Watt and at his level
Vanzetti  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 2:27 pm : link
LT was a glorified DE. But the Giants were strictly a 3-4 two-gap back then.
Giants 34  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/22/2018 2:34 pm : link
Don't you think Gettelman is on the 5-6 year plan with the idea that, once he rights the ship, he turns over the reins to Abrams or another younger person?
Chubb  
djstat : 3/22/2018 2:37 pm : link
Played the same way Terrell Suggs played in college. Suggs turned out to be ok in a 3-4 in the NFL.

Chubb would be an OLB in a 3-4. As a Rush LB his hand would be in the dirt 60percent of the time anyway. You guys obsessed with 4-3 and 3-4 clearly do not understand how football has evolved.
DG's job right now, along with the entire front office, is to get the  
Tom in NY : 3/22/2018 2:46 pm : link
rest of the league to believe the Giants could pick anyone of the top 4 players. They seem to be doing a great job of it!

* Team works out/has dinner with Rosen ...check
* Team works out/has dinner with Darnold....check
* Dline coach is present at Chubb's workout, rumors running rampant they love Chubb and will use him to replace JPP..check
* Giants Executive Scout seen glowing/hugging Barkley, rumors run rampant Giants love Barkley...check.

Tomorrow is Josh Allen's workout. I'll bet there is a HUGE Giants' contingent there....check.

The team is attempting to see what type of haul they can get for #2...and if it is not enough, they'll make their selection.

Hopefully the Browns bite, and decide the need both Darnold and either Chubb/Barkley (at #2)...Giants move to #4, plus a couple of #2's.
RE: Chubb  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13880595 djstat said:
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Played the same way Terrell Suggs played in college. Suggs turned out to be ok in a 3-4 in the NFL.

Chubb would be an OLB in a 3-4. As a Rush LB his hand would be in the dirt 60percent of the time anyway. You guys obsessed with 4-3 and 3-4 clearly do not understand how football has evolved.


Everything I've read about Chubb, and I have watched some of him but not a lot, is that he is not real twitchy. He's more relentless and strong than he is explosive. I could sooner see Tremaine Edmunds be drafted by the Giants than Chubb.
I will say this  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 2:55 pm : link
Bettcher had Chandler Jones as the rush linebacker in that system and Chubb is sort of the physical profile of Jones.

Perhaps Chubb is a better fit for Bettcher's scheme than a traditional 3-4.
RE: DG's job right now, along with the entire front office, is to get the  
Eman11 : 3/22/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13880622 Tom in NY said:
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rest of the league to believe the Giants could pick anyone of the top 4 players. They seem to be doing a great job of it!

* Team works out/has dinner with Rosen ...check
* Team works out/has dinner with Darnold....check
* Dline coach is present at Chubb's workout, rumors running rampant they love Chubb and will use him to replace JPP..check
* Giants Executive Scout seen glowing/hugging Barkley, rumors run rampant Giants love Barkley...check.

Tomorrow is Josh Allen's workout. I'll bet there is a HUGE Giants' contingent there....check.

The team is attempting to see what type of haul they can get for #2...and if it is not enough, they'll make their selection.

Hopefully the Browns bite, and decide the need both Darnold and either Chubb/Barkley (at #2)...Giants move to #4, plus a couple of #2's.


I think you're 100% correct on what the Giants are and should be doing, and I totally agree about getting the Browns to bite if DG doesn't want a QB or the Browns take the one he likes at 1.

I've said it in other threads but I really do feel the Browns want Chubb to pair with Garrett and I'd love to see them offer up some picks to move up from 4 to 2. DG would have his guy at 4 and could potentially plug some other holes by the 3rd Rd this year.
RE: RE: according  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13880555 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
In comment 13880339 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


to those who know Bettcher's defense better than me, he uses a one-gap 3-4 system... not a traditional 2-gap system. Plus, my expectation is it will be a bit of a hybrid.



Didn’t Giants really run a hybrid back in the day since LT rushed the passer just about every play?


Sort of - they morphed into that. LT was a very good cover guy on backs and TEs early in his career. Then when it become abundantly clear he was this freak from the football Gods, he essentially became the stand-up Elephant position...his support on the backside run was incredible...
RE: Vanzetti  
jvm52106 : 3/22/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13880567 Eric from BBI said:
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LT was a glorified DE. But the Giants were strictly a 3-4 two-gap back then.


Ummm, I think that is not exactly accurate. LT played the pass (look at his Int's), played the run and rushed the passer. He was a glorified DE the last two years of his career but before that he was a FREAK who changed defensive football.
Not sure who is promoting Chubb  
5BowlsSoon : 3/22/2018 3:12 pm : link
But if anyone is, it sounds like it is coming from someone who is reading more intomtje JPP tarde than they should be.
Bill Belichick was at NC States Pro day  
Manning10 : 3/22/2018 3:58 pm : link
was running some of the workouts Chubb was involved in.
When asked about Chubb he said he's picking 31st so it doesn't matter what he thinks. But I would bet someone in the Giants Organization called him to ask his opinion of the kid.
I still think Barkley is the pick but Gettlemen has everyone confused which is a good thing.
These are not rumors...  
EricJ : 3/22/2018 4:03 pm : link
it is nothing more than speculation from people who have no idea what the Giants are thinking.
RE: Bill Belichick was at NC States Pro day  
sober297 : 3/22/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13880852 Manning10 said:
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was running some of the workouts Chubb was involved in.
When asked about Chubb he said he's picking 31st so it doesn't matter what he thinks. But I would bet someone in the Giants Organization called him to ask his opinion of the kid.
I still think Barkley is the pick but Gettlemen has everyone confused which is a good thing.

I heard Mike Mayock at that NC State pro day, he said Chubb, off the field was spotless, good kid, good citizen.
RE: RE: DG's job right now, along with the entire front office, is to get the  
Tom in NY : 3/22/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13880651 Eman11 said:
Quote:
In comment 13880622 Tom in NY said:


Quote:


rest of the league to believe the Giants could pick anyone of the top 4 players. They seem to be doing a great job of it!

* Team works out/has dinner with Rosen ...check
* Team works out/has dinner with Darnold....check
* Dline coach is present at Chubb's workout, rumors running rampant they love Chubb and will use him to replace JPP..check
* Giants Executive Scout seen glowing/hugging Barkley, rumors run rampant Giants love Barkley...check.

Tomorrow is Josh Allen's workout. I'll bet there is a HUGE Giants' contingent there....check.

The team is attempting to see what type of haul they can get for #2...and if it is not enough, they'll make their selection.

Hopefully the Browns bite, and decide the need both Darnold and either Chubb/Barkley (at #2)...Giants move to #4, plus a couple of #2's.



I think you're 100% correct on what the Giants are and should be doing, and I totally agree about getting the Browns to bite if DG doesn't want a QB or the Browns take the one he likes at 1.

I've said it in other threads but I really do feel the Browns want Chubb to pair with Garrett and I'd love to see them offer up some picks to move up from 4 to 2. DG would have his guy at 4 and could potentially plug some other holes by the 3rd Rd this year.


In theory, at least, the Giants could still draft a QB at #4, plus have additional 2nd rnd picks to rebuild the Oline/Defense. Obviously the key is getting Cleveland to bite on the idea of having their top QB AND Chubb/Barkley...I would think that would be something they could sell to their fans in lieu of the draft picks they would need to give up.
RE: Vanzetti  
81_Great_Dane : 3/22/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13880567 Eric from BBI said:
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LT was a glorified DE. But the Giants were strictly a 3-4 two-gap back then.
Some of the other great linebackers, like the guys from the 70s Steelers, would gripe that LT wasn't a "real" linebacker because he didn't drop back in coverage the way they did.

Somebody once said that while that was true, LT basically invented a new position, that just as "end" and "flanker" had become "wide receiver," LT had a position that amounted to "wide defender." He changed the game.
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