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Charles Davis mock draft 2.0: Darnold slips to Browns at No.

ZogZerg : 3/22/2018 1:05 pm
BBI would need extra hampsters if this mock game true!!

Browns grab Barkley at #1
Giants pass on Darnold and Grab Rosen. (YEAH)
Jets Go Mayfield (and pass on Darnold).
Browns get Darnold at #4

LOL

I would love to see this draft happen!!



Charles Davis mock draft 2.0: Darnold slips to Browns at No. 4 - ( New Window )
Ooops - didn't see that the "4" cutoff on the thread title  
ZogZerg : 3/22/2018 1:06 pm : link
Not intentional.
bw’s head  
Big Blue '56 : 3/22/2018 1:06 pm : link
has just hypertrophied..😎
Not going to happen  
Torrag : 3/22/2018 1:08 pm : link
If Darnold is there we'll either take him ourselves or ransom the pick. Either to Cleveland at #4 or Denver at #5.
These guys  
BigBlue1092 : 3/22/2018 1:30 pm : link
have to make different mocks at this point to get clicks...I like how Mayock just does one mock for that reason
Boomer this morning said at end of show  
EddieNYG : 3/22/2018 1:35 pm : link
That a friend he knows who is "connected" in the league told him Browns go Barkley at 1, leaving Darnold for Giants at 2. Browns get Allen at 4.
Any mock with Browns passing on a QB at #1  
giants#1 : 3/22/2018 1:37 pm : link
and then selecting a QB at #4 isn't worth the screen its printed on.

They know the Jets are taking a QB and there's a strong possibility that the Giants either take a QB or trade the pick so passing on a QB just means they likely miss on their top target (if not top 2 targets).

Conversely, ifwhen the Browns go QB at #1 and QBs are taken at 2 and 3, the Browns will still get the highest rated position player on their board at #4.
One of the poorer mocks I've seen  
GFAN52 : 3/22/2018 1:37 pm : link
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RE: Any mock with Browns passing on a QB at #1  
GuzzaBlue : 3/22/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13880449 giants#1 said:
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and then selecting a QB at #4 isn't worth the screen its printed on.

They know the Jets are taking a QB and there's a strong possibility that the Giants either take a QB or trade the pick so passing on a QB just means they likely miss on their top target (if not top 2 targets).

Conversely, ifwhen the Browns go QB at #1 and QBs are taken at 2 and 3, the Browns will still get the highest rated position player on their board at #4.


What if the Browns have similar grades on Allen, Rosen and Darnold. If they feel confident in all three, then I'd think they would not want to take the chance on losing out on Barkley. Browns can really turn this around especially on offense.
Top 3 are right  
KWALL2 : 3/22/2018 1:47 pm : link
Browns draft Allen at 4
RE: RE: Any mock with Browns passing on a QB at #1  
giants#1 : 3/22/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13880471 GuzzaBlue said:
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In comment 13880449 giants#1 said:


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and then selecting a QB at #4 isn't worth the screen its printed on.

They know the Jets are taking a QB and there's a strong possibility that the Giants either take a QB or trade the pick so passing on a QB just means they likely miss on their top target (if not top 2 targets).

Conversely, ifwhen the Browns go QB at #1 and QBs are taken at 2 and 3, the Browns will still get the highest rated position player on their board at #4.



What if the Browns have similar grades on Allen, Rosen and Darnold. If they feel confident in all three, then I'd think they would not want to take the chance on losing out on Barkley. Browns can really turn this around especially on offense.


I doubt they have equal grades on all 3 and even if they are *close* why would you want to risk getting your lowest rated player at the most critical position?

It's a lock that the Jets are taking a QB and there's certainly at least a 50% chance the #2 pick is a QB either by the Giants or a trade partner. I'd rather risk getting "stuck" with Barkley/Chubb (whichever isn't taken #2) than hoping for either: a) 3+ franchise QBs from this draft and/or b) 2 other teams picking the wrong QBs. Both Chubb and Barkley would be outstanding fits for Cleveland (Chubb is arguably a better with due to positional importance and the addition of Hyde).
RE: Any mock with Browns passing on a QB at #1  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13880449 giants#1 said:
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and then selecting a QB at #4 isn't worth the screen its printed on.

They know the Jets are taking a QB and there's a strong possibility that the Giants either take a QB or trade the pick so passing on a QB just means they likely miss on their top target (if not top 2 targets).

Conversely, ifwhen the Browns go QB at #1 and QBs are taken at 2 and 3, the Browns will still get the highest rated position player on their board at #4.


I agree. Can you imagine Jimmy Haslam if that happened?..."We haven't had a franchise QB since 1993...NINETEEN NINETY-THREE, AND YOU DRAFT A RUNNING BACK AT #1?"

It's just not happening. There is no way the Browns are going to pick from what's left at #4 when they have their pick of the litter at #1 at QB. They aren't trading down from #1, they aren't trading up from #4, either (though they could trade down from 4).

I think they would drive some Browns fans off the edge if they don't go QB at 1.

1993 guys. Last year of Kosar in a Browns' uni. That's the last time they had a franchise QB. And he only started 6 games for them that year. They are taking a QB, probably Darnold, at #1.
What I really don't get...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/22/2018 2:02 pm : link
Is it the Browns are so in love with Barkley at number 1 why did they sign Hyde when they knew they were going to pick Barkley number one overall.

Seems like a tremendous waste of FA capital. For this reason I don't buy it.
RE: What I really don't get...  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13880506 Dan in the Springs said:
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Is it the Browns are so in love with Barkley at number 1 why did they sign Hyde when they knew they were going to pick Barkley number one overall.

Seems like a tremendous waste of FA capital. For this reason I don't buy it.


I think they knew right away that they were going QB at #1 no matter what.

And I think they assumed Barkley wasn't going to be there at 4, and even if he was, you can't count on that happening. If Barkley were to be there at 4, I think they will value another player as more important to their turnaround and long-term stability than Barkley, because they have no committed some good money to Hyde. But the Hyde signing doesn't mean they wouldn't take Barkley at 4 absolutely. I do think it's a clue, however, to their thinking.
If Darnold is there at #3...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 2:08 pm : link
and the Jets Central passes on him for Mayfield, it would be perfectly clear the Jets are the most clueless team in the NFL.
I've been told  
jestersdead : 3/22/2018 2:10 pm : link
from a friend with ties that if Barkley is taken #1, Giants will take Darnold. Obviously things can change but that's the thought process as of now
RE: If Darnold is there at #3...  
GFAN52 : 3/22/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13880516 bw in dc said:
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and the Jets Central passes on him for Mayfield, it would be perfectly clear the Jets are the most clueless team in the NFL.


Browns are locked onto Darnold at 1, beyond that and the Jets taking a QB at 3 it's anyones guess.
RE: RE: What I really don't get...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/22/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13880509 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13880506 Dan in the Springs said:


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Is it the Browns are so in love with Barkley at number 1 why did they sign Hyde when they knew they were going to pick Barkley number one overall.

Seems like a tremendous waste of FA capital. For this reason I don't buy it.



I think they knew right away that they were going QB at #1 no matter what.

And I think they assumed Barkley wasn't going to be there at 4, and even if he was, you can't count on that happening. If Barkley were to be there at 4, I think they will value another player as more important to their turnaround and long-term stability than Barkley, because they have no committed some good money to Hyde. But the Hyde signing doesn't mean they wouldn't take Barkley at 4 absolutely. I do think it's a clue, however, to their thinking.


Right to me the Hyde signing is really just a sign that they are not going to be taking the Barkley at number 1 overall.
RE: What I really don't get...  
giants#1 : 3/22/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13880506 Dan in the Springs said:
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Is it the Browns are so in love with Barkley at number 1 why did they sign Hyde when they knew they were going to pick Barkley number one overall.

Seems like a tremendous waste of FA capital. For this reason I don't buy it.


The only ones that think they're going Barkley at #1 are fans or analysts trying to be different. I'm fairly confident that the other 31 GMs expect them to take a QB at #1. Which QB is up for debate. But they are 100% taking one with the 1st pick in the draft.
RE: Boomer this morning said at end of show  
Big Rick in FL : 3/22/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13880442 EddieNYG said:
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That a friend he knows who is "connected" in the league told him Browns go Barkley at 1, leaving Darnold for Giants at 2. Browns get Allen at 4.


Which could certainly explain why Schefter mentioned the Giants trading up to 1. If they don't want Darnold then they can get a pretty penny to still get there guy.
Barkley at #4 I can certainly see  
giants#1 : 3/22/2018 2:20 pm : link
but they've gotta be strongly considering Chubb there too. They could set up the O with the right QB pick and then lock in the D for 5+ years with Chubb and Garrett as bookends!

Which is unfortunate because I'd love to see the Giants trade down to #5 (and add Barkley or Chubb), but if the Giants prefer Chubb, then DG's "don't get cute" thinking might result in them staying pat and selecting him at #2.
RE: RE: RE: What I really don't get...  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13880523 Dan in the Springs said:
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In comment 13880509 allstarjim said:


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In comment 13880506 Dan in the Springs said:


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Is it the Browns are so in love with Barkley at number 1 why did they sign Hyde when they knew they were going to pick Barkley number one overall.

Seems like a tremendous waste of FA capital. For this reason I don't buy it.



I think they knew right away that they were going QB at #1 no matter what.

And I think they assumed Barkley wasn't going to be there at 4, and even if he was, you can't count on that happening. If Barkley were to be there at 4, I think they will value another player as more important to their turnaround and long-term stability than Barkley, because they have no committed some good money to Hyde. But the Hyde signing doesn't mean they wouldn't take Barkley at 4 absolutely. I do think it's a clue, however, to their thinking.



Right to me the Hyde signing is really just a sign that they are not going to be taking the Barkley at number 1 overall.


And if Browns go Darnold #1, I think the Giants will go Barkley unless they trade down.

A Giants trade down is the only way Barkley will be there for them at #4, and even then they could still pass for Nelson, Chubb, Fitzpatrick, or even Derwin James, Ward or Josh Jackson (whoever their top CB is on the board in the case of Ward vs Jackson).

If Giants trade out of 3, then Barkley could still be there at #5, which is why I would like the Giants to really make a trade with Denver. If they don't trade with Denver, but still trade down lower than 5, Denver could still go with Mayfield assuming he's the last of the big 4 still available.

Then, you have the Colts at #6, and I really think they would value Nelson there.

But there is no way that Barkley would get past Tampa at #7. I think in the worst case scenario for Barkley, he doesn't fall past 7.
RE: RE: If Darnold is there at #3...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13880522 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13880516 bw in dc said:


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and the Jets Central passes on him for Mayfield, it would be perfectly clear the Jets are the most clueless team in the NFL.



Browns are locked onto Darnold at 1, beyond that and the Jets taking a QB at 3 it's anyones guess.


I think you are right on Darnold. And I think DG may be smart enough to realize that this #2 is too high to waste a pick on a RB.

So it's likely down to a QB or Chubb for Jints Central. If the Jints go QB, I could then see the Browns going Chubb at #4 - because they signed Hyde - to bookend with Garrett. And then Barkley is the unexpected player who falls - to where it gets very interesting...
Didn't see allstarjim above...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 2:31 pm : link
I could see that scenario he describes with Barkley, too...
in light of JPP trade...  
sober297 : 3/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
#1 Browns - Darnold
#2 Giants - Chubb
#3 Jets - Rosen
#4 Browns - Barkley
RE: in light of JPP trade...  
fanofthejets : 3/22/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13880905 sober297 said:
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#1 Browns - Darnold
#2 Giants - Chubb
#3 Jets - Rosen
#4 Browns - Barkley


Jets would take Mayfield over Rosen and Darnold over both. Darnold won't be there. They are worried about Rosen's slight build and 2 concussions already. It would be Mayfield at 3.
RE: in light of JPP trade...  
Bernie : 3/22/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13880905 sober297 said:
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#1 Browns - Darnold
#2 Giants - Chubb
#3 Jets - Rosen
#4 Browns - Barkley


This.
My mock draft  
Sarcastic Sam : 3/22/2018 6:54 pm : link
has Cleveland forgetting about the draft so the Giants can take whoever they want.
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