NFT: Sweet 16 and Elite 8

In comment 13885818 Kyle in NY said:

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What was the logic going to a zone defense? It’s a terrible zone defense too

They can't play man defense. They were a horrific defensive team before switching to zone

In comment 13885818 Kyle in NY said:

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What was the logic going to a zone defense? It’s a terrible zone defense too

their two bigs cant defend, especially against a team with 4 shooters. They have played zone the last 10 games or so. They are a bad man to man team.

Kansas gets it

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Kansas figured this zone out pretty quickly. Though they are built to do so with their guards and shooting ability. Villanova would tear this up too

Kansas rebounds, Newman gets fouled. Hits both FTs

Awesome game.

Duke rebounds but the outlet pass is awry. Kansas just about there

Best game of the tournament so far

The KU team with the lowest expectations in a long time is the one that breaks through the elite 8. Great game. Nova/KU will be a ton of fun

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but the block call on Carter was the game changing call. If they call a charge, Duke has the ball and the lead. 2 successive possessions his backup screwed up.

Big, big call.

The Rat doesn't advance.

Led to a three by Duke and caused Kansas to play from behind for the remainder until that foul out call...

of a team full of one and dones, but Duke seems sloppy and poorly coached at times. Bagley didn’t see the ball nearly enough

but I’ve seen far less be called a charge. Would rather see Carter just contest the shot. Considering his length it’s the far less risky move

and Villanova vs. Kansas is game 2 next Saturday

But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley.

He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke.

In comment 13885856 Kyle in NY said:

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of a team full of one and dones, but Duke seems sloppy and poorly coached at times. Bagley didn’t see the ball nearly enough

Poorly coached is right on. K is now whet he once was as a coach. 2010 was a a masterpiece from him, the last couple years he has done a poor job.

The UNC game in ACC tourney may have cost him a title. If they win that game they are the two seed in the west and have florida state rather than kansas in omaha. Dont think they lose to Michigan

where Duke was considered to have the most talent in the country by almost everyone.

Yet they haven't won an acc title, an acc tournament title, or even made a final four over those three years.

Media will be silent on it, but outside of 1 year, the one and done model is simply not working for Duke. But K has already sold his soul to the devil and he's not looking back now. Next year they won't have a Bagley on the team, either, and won't have an experienced guard like Allen either.

Top recruiting class in the nation, but I dont think the pieces fit all that well. The pieces actually fit this year, they had a true center, true 4, a great shooter in trent at the 3, and Grayson as the experienced guard, and it still didnt work

only getting 9 attempts from the field against a team who plays 4 out 1 in is mind numbing.

they won 1 acc tournament, last year

is that he got paid by both Miss St and by Kansas.

In comment 13886037 MookGiants said:

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only getting 9 attempts from the field against a team who plays 4 out 1 in is mind numbing.

This is unbelievable. He had Svi guarding him most of the game. I'd be furious over this if I were a Duke fan

Their offense hasn't put an emphasis on feeding a big man on the blocks since probably Elton Brand.

In comment 13886035 MookGiants said:

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Top recruiting class in the nation, but I dont think the pieces fit all that well.

Nope. All three guys essentially play the same role.

In comment 13886439 Greg from LI said:

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Their offense hasn't put an emphasis on feeding a big man on the blocks since probably Elton Brand.

I dont know many teams that feature any guys on the blocks anymore. Its a lost art. Even Ayton didnt get the ball against freaking Buffalo.

You look at the way they ran the offense with Johnson and Meeks versus what Duke has been doing. I'm not Deputy Dawg's biggest fan, but they ran a very efficient offense when they had those big guys.

In comment 13885807 dep026 said:

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bad call against Duke.

That was not a charge, Carter slid his foot over as the guy made contact. It was a clear block

In comment 13886439 Greg from LI said:

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Their offense hasn't put an emphasis on feeding a big man on the blocks since probably Elton Brand.

It really is a mystery, Coach K is just the worst with big men--(he really isn't that good with many players), he did a terrible job all year with Bagley and Carter.

Roy, on the other hand, develops players. Look at the improvement of Theo Pinson from freshman until this year. Look at Grayson Allen from freshman year until this year. I could go on and on about players Roy really developed over the years, such a Meeks, Hicks, Henson, Zeller etc.

In comment 13885983 MookGiants said:

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But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley. He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke.

Also ROy is 28-0 in the first round. Think about that. The GOAT has lost to Lehigh and Mercer in the first round. Coach K is an all-time great, but Roy has been the much better coach and Carolina the better program since Roy returned to chapel hill.

that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi.

As a Virginia fan married into a Duke family, I was convinced that the only way to make the tournament more of a nightmare for me was that Duke was going to win it all. Boy, was last night a relief.

This tournament will still be a nightmare of a memory, but Duke winning it all (which is absolutely what I expected to happen) would have made it the Mother of All Nightmares.

In comment 13886482 Essex said:

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In comment 13885983 MookGiants said: Quote: But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley. He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke. Also ROy is 28-0 in the first round. Think about that. The GOAT has lost to Lehigh and Mercer in the first round. Coach K is an all-time great, but Roy has been the much better coach and Carolina the better program since Roy returned to chapel hill.

The first round is impressive, but they just lost by 21 basically at home in Charlotte to Texas A&M in the second round. It's not the year to pound one's chest about Roy >> K.

Also i have no idea where you're going in your 9:28am - Grayson Allen attended Duke.

Both Roy and K are HOF coaches - i think we can leave it at that.

He was a better player as a freshman, at least during the title run, than he is today.

here. He is a tremendous talent. But right now he is a much better athlete than basketball player. He has a lot of skills for a guy his size. But he doesnt do anything exceptional. He is still physically weak underneath (he was getting pushed off the block very easily yesterday). Plus they were not guarding Carter or Delaurier whatsoever. Mykhailuk was gettign around Bagley and there was help behind him as well. Made it very hard for him to get the ball in the post.

When Bolden was in the game, it made it even harder to post him since Bolden is a stiff.

Bagley has some exciting skills, but his strength was a liability against a more seasoned player yesterday.

In comment 13886492 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi.

Bagley doesnt post up well. Plus, there were would have been 2 guys all over him. No one was going to guard Delaurier or Bolden or whoever was in the game.

In comment 13886509 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13886482 Essex said: Quote: In comment 13885983 MookGiants said: Quote: But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley. He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke. Also ROy is 28-0 in the first round. Think about that. The GOAT has lost to Lehigh and Mercer in the first round. Coach K is an all-time great, but Roy has been the much better coach and Carolina the better program since Roy returned to chapel hill. The first round is impressive, but they just lost by 21 basically at home in Charlotte to Texas A&M in the second round. It's not the year to pound one's chest about Roy >> K. Also i have no idea where you're going in your 9:28am - Grayson Allen attended Duke. Both Roy and K are HOF coaches - i think we can leave it at that.

Grayson Allen did not develop into a better player in his four years at Duke. If anything, his play level was very inconsistent. Theo Pinson, on the other hand, improved enormously each and every year.
Carolina's big men also have historically gotten better under Roy, do you remember Brice Johnson as a freshmen, how did he end up? What about Tyler Zeller or Kennedy Meeks or Isiah Hicks? All of those guys improved markedly. Roy got beat by Texas Tech, ok--it happens. He also made the finals two years in a row and if you look at the trajectory of his program, he always peaks every 2-3 years for a run. 2005 then the 2007-2009. The 2011-2012 didn't make the final four, but would have in 12 with ease if Kendall Marshall didn't break his wrist. Then, they had a couple of off years in 13 and 14 with PJ, Bullock leaving early etc. Then, he revved it up again with the next crew and made it to the finals in 16-17 and won it for the third time. He has won 3 times since he has returned to Chappell Hill, Coach K has won twice. ROy has made it to 5 final fours in that time, Duke 3? Duke has lost to Lehigh and MErcer in that time period. I am quite happy with Roy.

In comment 13886531 dep026 said:

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In comment 13886492 PaulBlakeTSU said: Quote: that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi. Bagley doesnt post up well. Plus, there were would have been 2 guys all over him. No one was going to guard Delaurier or Bolden or whoever was in the game.

I might be forgetting something here but didn't Duval take the three to tie in OT?

got better every year. As did Brian Zoubeck (who was an absolute turd but contributed his senior year).

Roy uses his bigs differently than K, and both have success with their styles.

In comment 13886537 Essex said:

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In comment 13886531 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 13886492 PaulBlakeTSU said: Quote: that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi. Bagley doesnt post up well. Plus, there were would have been 2 guys all over him. No one was going to guard Delaurier or Bolden or whoever was in the game. I might be forgetting something here but didn't Duval take the three to tie in OT?

Duval took an open 3 to tie it from a feed from Bagley. Duval wasnt being guarded all game either. It was going to be impossible for Bagley to get the ball and a shot off. He was having trouble getting open and when he did get it, he was being doubled.

his Freshman year.

His tournament:
Round 1: 12 MP, 1 pt
Round 2: 9 MP, 5 pts
sweet 16: 9 MP, 3 pts
Elite 8: 3 MP, did not score
Final 4: 17 MP, 9 points
title game vs Wisconsin: 21 MP, 16 points

... so we are talking about 1 maybe 2 good games.

He had a terrific Sophomore season... then who the fuck knows what through the psychopath's head in his Junior year when he was punished severely ... 1 game... K really showed the world what a disciplinarian he is... for tripping yet another opponent.

is referencing that Allen hasn't really improved:

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Also i have no idea where you're going in your 9:28am - Grayson Allen attended Duke

Grayson Allen is basically the same player he was as a freshmen. A complementary role.

Against SU, he was woeful behind the 3. Against KU, he missed the potential game winning shot, had another poor game beyond the arc, and missed 3 shots in the final minute of overtime that would have any chance of getting Duke close.

He's either regressed or stayed the same for 4 years.

In comment 13886546 MetsAreBack said:

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his Freshman year. His tournament: Round 1: 12 MP, 1 pt Round 2: 9 MP, 5 pts sweet 16: 9 MP, 3 pts Elite 8: 3 MP, did not score Final 4: 17 MP, 9 points title game vs Wisconsin: 21 MP, 16 points ... so we are talking about 1 maybe 2 good games. He had a terrific Sophomore season... then who the fuck knows what through the psychopath's head in his Junior year when he was punished severely ... 1 game... K really showed the world what a disciplinarian he is... for tripping yet another opponent.

I am willing to concede that his trajectory went higher into year 2, it is after that where it has just really suffered.

was always a role player. When he makes shot, he is good. But he isnt quick enough to the basketball and he couldnt defend FMiC (no offense). He had to play a bigger role cause of all the 1 and dones K has had. He was like their 5th best recruit coming in. Theres a reason for that.

who wouldnt be.

But you're using it to infer that K has achieved nothing or sucks or something, and it wreaks of blind hate. (which i respect - i cant stand the ferret either... but moreso because the guy has become really slimy in recruiting and in whoring out his school - a school that purports to be top 10 in the country... at least Alabama doesnt pretend to have high academic standards for the rest of the campus while simultaneously embracing a one-and-done for one of their sports programs)

just said he's not going to go to Syracuse and will go to the G-League instead. Huge blow for Syracuse next year. Hopefully it's not something that becomes a regular thing among high school kids

In comment 13893309 MookGiants said:

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just said he's not going to go to Syracuse and will go to the G-League instead. Huge blow for Syracuse next year. Hopefully it's not something that becomes a regular thing among high school kids

What an incredibly dumb decision by him.

he wasn't going to qualify.

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