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NFT: Sweet 16 and Elite 8

Giants in 07 : 3/22/2018 3:00 pm
Is it really Thursday already?? I'm not complaining though. Really love tonight's slate and think we're in for a solid night of basketball.

Here are the times: (EST)

7:07 on CBS - Nevada vs Loyola
7:37 on TBS - A& M vs Michigan
9:37 (Probably closer to 10) on CBS - Kentucky vs Kansas St
10:07 (Closer to 10:30) on TBS - Gonzaga vs Florida St


7:07 on CBS - Kansas vs Clemson
7:27 on TBS - West Virginia vs Villanove
9:37 on CBS - Syracuse vs Duke
9:57 on TBS - Purdue vs Texas Tech


Who ya got?

Crazy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/22/2018 3:02 pm : link
that either Nevada or Loyola will be in the elite 8
im going with  
jestersdead : 3/22/2018 3:05 pm : link
Nevada
A&M
Kentucky - watched the J Cal 30 for 30 and it was very good
Zags

Kansas
WVU
Duke
Texas Tech
I got  
26.2 : 3/22/2018 3:06 pm : link
Loyola, Michigan, UK, Gonzaga, WVU, Duke, Purdue.

At least thats what I need to finish at least respectable in my pool. I had Arizona winning it all. Nobody from UVA feels bad for me though.
RE: Crazy..  
figgy2989 : 3/22/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13880658 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that either Nevada or Loyola will be in the elite 8


Or the highest remaining seed in that region is a 5 (Kentucky).

Since my brackets are busted, gotta go with Loyola-Chicago. Shit George Mason did it, why can’t they!
A lot of the public  
Reeses Pieces : 3/22/2018 3:12 pm : link
is going with A & M tonight. They are going to be pretty disappointed. Beilein will have a strong game plan, plus the Staples Center is a much friendlier shooting venue.
I think A&M  
Doubledeuce22 : 3/22/2018 3:18 pm : link
Handles Michigan quite easily tonight. The size is going to be a huge issue for Michigan. They better be hitting their 3s early and often or will be blown out of the building similar to UNC.
I got  
Doubledeuce22 : 3/22/2018 3:22 pm : link
Nevada
A & M
UK
Zags (will be a great game)
Kansas
Nova
Duke
Texas Tech
I'm with Reeses..think Michigan bounces back  
Giants in 07 : 3/22/2018 3:58 pm : link
from a couple of sub par shooting efforts.

Otherwise, I'll actually throw my hat in the ring for Kansas St. Haven't watched much of them this year but they've been playing really well and Kentucky has an off night regularly.. Loyola/Kansas St to go to the final four would be crazy.

Think Florida St will give Gonzaga some problems, but the Zags match up well in my opinion. I like Gonzaga to go back to the title game.

Tomorrow will be a lot for straight forward. It wouldn't be an upset but the only lower seed I see winning is Texas Tech. Hope Cuse wins though.
Go  
UESBLUE : 3/22/2018 4:16 pm : link
Blue!
RE: A lot of the public  
RobCarpenter : 3/22/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13880690 Reeses Pieces said:
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is going with A & M tonight. They are going to be pretty disappointed. Beilein will have a strong game plan, plus the Staples Center is a much friendlier shooting venue.


Wagner has to show up and stay out of foul trouble. Otherwise they are in trouble.
These start times suck  
BigBlueShock : 3/22/2018 5:40 pm : link
10 pm tip offs on the east coast. Come on man
start times suck...  
Italianju : 3/22/2018 6:11 pm : link
at least the Cuse game is on Friday night.

My biggest issue is that they bunch all the games together. There are 4 games tonight and if you only have 1 tv you can only really watch 2 of them. At least start the first game at like 6.
Yes, I am bitter... I admit it...  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2018 6:46 pm : link
but if you saw tonight's lineup on your Channel Guide on some random saturday afternoon in February.....

...you'd do other things with your time. The lineup tonight wouldnt even make ESPN - it'd be on like ESPNU.
its rainin blue  
UESBLUE : 3/22/2018 8:03 pm : link
bitchez!
a&m has been like this all year  
MookGiants : 3/22/2018 8:11 pm : link
one game awesome, one awful.

They played as good as they ever could have played last sunday. Carolina probably played their worst game in 3 years.

There's no denying that a&m played terrific last week, but it was obviously a fluke relative to the type of team they are.

They also can't play from behind a big margin. Complete front running team that has had attitude and turnover problems all year
michigan  
MookGiants : 3/22/2018 8:12 pm : link
playing an absurd half.

But holy shit some of these turnovers by A&M I would shake my head if my 8 year old nephew made passes like that
A&M  
RobCarpenter : 3/22/2018 8:24 pm : link
Thought they were playing the team that barely beat Houston and not the team that ran through the Big Ten tournament.

24 point lead at halftime and they have nearly as many points as they had in the Montana & Houston games.
Keep it up Michigan!  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/22/2018 8:41 pm : link
Good first half
MIchigan needs to get some stops  
dep026 : 3/22/2018 8:58 pm : link
A&M can’t miss.
Sister Jean & the Ramblers  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/22/2018 9:12 pm : link
advance to the Elite Eight! What a story!
Nevada  
MookGiants : 3/22/2018 9:29 pm : link
Loyola-Chicago was an awesome game
RE: Nevada  
adamg : 3/22/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13881470 MookGiants said:
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Loyola-Chicago was an awesome game


+90
I can’t believe Michigan scored 99 points  
RobCarpenter : 3/22/2018 9:43 pm : link
Michigan’s D let up in the 2nd half but A&M couldn’t stop their guards.
Ummm  
RobCarpenter : 3/22/2018 9:52 pm : link
Does Kentucky know the take started 3 minutes ago?
Game  
RobCarpenter : 3/22/2018 9:52 pm : link
Not take
Michigan has set themselves up for  
dep026 : 3/22/2018 9:56 pm : link
a chance to get into the final 4 and title game. All I can ask.
tough sledding for Kentucky so far -  
Del Shofner : 3/22/2018 10:31 pm : link
they can't buy a bucket.
Gilgeous-Alexander keeping them in it.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 10:37 pm : link
That's my boy.
A billion fouls  
Giants in 07 : 3/22/2018 10:56 pm : link
Every game
FSU with a huge run to end...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/22/2018 11:05 pm : link
the half and go up 8.

People were ripping the ACC last week, but they have 25% of the field remaining
RE: Gilgeous-Alexander keeping them in it.  
Del Shofner : 3/22/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13881557 bceagle05 said:
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That's my boy.


SGA does look good. Knox, not so much so far. Not sure he is worth a top 10 pick. He also seems like more of a 4 than a 3 (which I think is what the Knicks need most).
Knox waking up.  
bceagle05 : 3/22/2018 11:47 pm : link
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This game is not over  
allstarjim : 3/23/2018 12:08 am : link
But Florida State is still up 11 with 4 minutes left.

Nobody gave the Seminoles a chance against Gonzaga, and they are just minutes away from the Elite 8.
That  
MookGiants : 3/23/2018 12:11 am : link
was just an awful coaching job by Calipari. As bad as he's ever had. KState was without their best scorer, quite simply isn't very good to begin with, had foul trouble the entire game, fouled out their entire front court, played in front of all of their fans, and still lost.

Brutal.

Loyola will beat them
Loyola vs. Kansas St. in a regional final.  
bceagle05 : 3/23/2018 12:11 am : link
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RE: Knox waking up.  
Del Shofner : 3/23/2018 12:12 am : link
In comment 13881616 bceagle05 said:
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Too little too late, though. Not sold completely on either of these Kentucky guys for the Knicks, will watch Mikal Bridges tomorrow night.
Yeah, just a weird game from Kentucky.  
bceagle05 : 3/23/2018 12:13 am : link
Very methodical on offense, no transition game - I kept waiting for a 12-0 run that never happened.
I've been on the SGA bandwagon  
bceagle05 : 3/23/2018 12:16 am : link
but he was brutal down the stretch - had a key turnover when Kentucky was about to seize control with five or so minutes left, got burned on the game-winning bucket and bricked the final shot. Knox will drive you crazy, too - just kinda floats in and out of the game.
In fairness to Barkley who can't get anything right  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2018 12:22 am : link
This tournament is just stupid. Saturday's games are a joke.

I'm sure Duke will win. I find myself rooting for Nova now just to beat rat face. And Novas buzzer beater still haunts.
It's all over  
allstarjim : 3/23/2018 12:22 am : link
Seminoles advancing! Up 15 with 14 seconds to go.
Seeing the South regional  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/23/2018 12:25 am : link
and the entire side of the bracket just makes it even more depressing as a UVA fan. I'm just waiting for Duke to win it all just to complete the worst possible NCAA Tournament for me.
Seminoles vs Wolverines  
allstarjim : 3/23/2018 12:26 am : link
On Saturday.

They've taken out the #8 seed, the #1 seed, and the #4 seed, now they are taking on the #3 seed. And nobody will give them a chance, again. I think it's going to be a helluva game!
Tillie was missed tonight for the zags  
Giants in 07 : 3/23/2018 12:35 am : link
I just had a feeling Kansas St was going to win tonight.

Not having Tillie was a major major blow, but they played like  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2018 1:14 am : link
horseshit anyway and didn't deserve to win. I could accept a tough/tight loss to a good team, but that's not a particularly good team. They couldn't inbound the ball. They couldn't make a free throw. They just fucking sucked. I haven't been this disappointed by the Zags final game of the season in a long time.
I guess Cal was right.  
Mad Mike : 3/23/2018 1:20 am : link
They had a tough path.
RE: I've been on the SGA bandwagon  
Del Shofner : 3/23/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 13881626 bceagle05 said:
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but he was brutal down the stretch - had a key turnover when Kentucky was about to seize control with five or so minutes left, got burned on the game-winning bucket and bricked the final shot. Knox will drive you crazy, too - just kinda floats in and out of the game.


I understand the economic incentives for one-and-done, but in the case of SGA and Knox I think both the players and the sport would benefit from them staying in college another year or two. They don't look NBA-ready to me.
'Nova off to a good start  
Del Shofner : 3/23/2018 7:32 pm : link
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... but W Va taking it to Nova now  
Del Shofner : 3/23/2018 8:09 pm : link
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'Nova pulls away at the end and Kansas  
Del Shofner : 3/23/2018 10:01 pm : link
withstands a late challenge. Two #1 seeds still alive on that side of the bracket at least.
Already foul trouble for SU  
BlackLight : 3/23/2018 10:29 pm : link
Blargh.
and 'Cuse's O is having problems against these guys.  
Del Shofner : 3/23/2018 10:46 pm : link
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Very one sided reffing so far for Duke  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2018 10:47 pm : link
Can't say I'm surprised though.
Ive seen it all now  
MookGiants : 3/23/2018 10:47 pm : link
Duke players slapping the floor playing a zone defense.

This game has been a snoozefest. Syracuse obviously has to play at this pace, but its brutal to watch
Refs havent been terrible  
MookGiants : 3/23/2018 10:50 pm : link
Syracuse just cant score. They havent played a bad half by any stretch and they are down 7
RE: Refs havent been terrible  
BigBlueShock : 3/23/2018 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13883531 MookGiants said:
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Syracuse just cant score. They havent played a bad half by any stretch and they are down 7

Other than Bagley being allowed to continuously lower his shoulder and run guys over to create space
Duke is built..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 11:01 pm : link
to beat the zone. They can make positional 3's and they have two big guys to work the foul line and baseline.

Other than missing a couple obvious travels, I don't think the refs have been bad.
RE: Duke is built..  
MookGiants : 3/23/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13883541 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to beat the zone. They can make positional 3's and they have two big guys to work the foul line and baseline.

Other than missing a couple obvious travels, I don't think the refs have been bad.


I would certainly hope a team with 4 mercenaries and one senior that has already seen the Cuse zone and coach sees it every year would be built to beat it.

They didn't light the world on fire.

You're just not beating Duke 52-50. Syracuse basically needs to do that.

Michigan State has to be absolutely ill losing a home game to a team that simply can not put the ball in the basket.

Boeheim has sucked every bit out of this team that he can. I hope they have a miracle run in them in the 2nd half. I doubt it but here's to hoping
I'm basically fine with the officiating so far  
BlackLight : 3/23/2018 11:06 pm : link
Cuse's problem (apart from general lack of offense) is they're turning the ball over at twice their normal rate, and they aren't getting to the foul line.

As ugly as this game has been, if SU's going to pull it out, it'll have to get even uglier.
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 11:10 pm : link
Cuse went to the foul line 2x that of MSU and was badly rebounded. Tonight is the opposite.

They really needed a basket there at the end to keep this under 6.

This team has pulled things out before - even winning last game with Howard fouling out, but this will be a tall order.
Here come..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 11:16 pm : link
the theatrics.

Jacket is off. Let's counter it with getting Allen to trip the fuck out of somebody.
Syracuse  
MookGiants : 3/23/2018 11:29 pm : link
has left at least 8 points on the board with missed dunks/layups
RE: Syracuse  
BlackLight : 3/23/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13883561 MookGiants said:
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has left at least 8 points on the board with missed dunks/layups


Never seen a 7-footer blow so many dunks.
too many  
MookGiants : 3/23/2018 11:32 pm : link
lob attempts, too. Worked the first few minutes, has not since.
Can't ask for much more than this  
BlackLight : 3/23/2018 11:48 pm : link
If you had offered me a four-point game with under 7 minutes to play, I'd have taken it without a second thought.
Probably..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 11:56 pm : link
game over now. Can't get a rebound.

But we proved we belonged in the tourney
I hope Battle sticks around one more year  
BlackLight : 3/23/2018 11:59 pm : link
Probably not, having two legit scoring threats on the team next season would make the games easier on the eyes.
I'm more..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 12:04 am : link
worried about Brissett leaving.

Too many poor choices made in the past 5 years.

Grant leaving. Lydon?? WTF. Ennis.

None have done a damn thing.

Even Michael-Carter Williams
syracuse  
MookGiants : 3/24/2018 12:16 am : link
just left way too many points on the board through self inflicted wounds.

Duke survives a game where they shot 5/26 from long range  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 12:17 am : link
that is ominous. They should be going home with that kind of number but they move on
Raftery  
MookGiants : 3/24/2018 12:18 am : link
was absolutely unbearable all second half.

At one point blowing Coach K for his team full of mercenaries not being able to take and miss shots.
SU made a game of it all the way to the end  
BlackLight : 3/24/2018 12:18 am : link
but not enough bullets in the gun.
not being afraid*  
MookGiants : 3/24/2018 12:19 am : link
that should read
You can..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 12:19 am : link
shoot 5/26 against Cuse because their offense was terrible. But Boeheim deserves a shitload of credit.

He also deserves to have his wins restored. Afterall, Paterno's were
I love Rafferty..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 12:20 am : link
but talking about Allen having his "puppies set" was great for one three. How about for the 12 he missed?
It’s not unreasonable to see the Big12...  
bw in dc : 3/24/2018 12:26 am : link
getting 3 teams in the F4....KState, K, and Texas Tech.

That would be pretty unbelievable...
RE: You can..  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 12:47 am : link
In comment 13883603 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shoot 5/26 against Cuse because their offense was terrible. But Boeheim deserves a shitload of credit.

He also deserves to have his wins restored. Afterall, Paterno's were


He doesn't have a lot in the cupboard but still coaches them up. Historically good coach...if you put these Syracuse players in Boise State jerseys they would practically be a mid-major on talent. Far more talented and esteemed Syracuse teams have fallen on the first weekend in the tournament.

That being said, he needs some talent and soon, especially if he's going to hand the program over to a successor soon. They will go the way of UConn otherwise
Basically, not a single player on this current team  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 12:49 am : link
would start or even make the squad on some of his teams that were top 10, top 15 teams in the country
dpinzow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 12:52 am : link
they have a pretty stout class coming in next year.
...  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 3/24/2018 1:00 am : link
I will say the fact the elite 8 was a realistic possibility for THIS Syracuse team is the most surprising thing I've seen since being a fan. Including the F4 run from 16.

Battle's gone. Just hoping Brissett comes back. Team could be really loaded next year if he does. Lots of talent coming in + returning player development
RE: ...  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 1:03 am : link
In comment 13883621 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:
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I will say the fact the elite 8 was a realistic possibility for THIS Syracuse team is the most surprising thing I've seen since being a fan. Including the F4 run from 16.

Battle's gone. Just hoping Brissett comes back. Team could be really loaded next year if he does. Lots of talent coming in + returning player development


I don't see a player on this Syracuse team that is a top-tier player in a major conference like a Carmelo, Coleman, Pearl Washington, etc. That player/players will have to come from their recruiting class
Battle will..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 1:04 am : link
get bad advice if he leaves. What has any recent Cuse guy done?

Basically Wesley Matthews has been their best NBA guy - and that's splitting hairs.

So many guys have left and end up in Europe. Maybe Dolezaj can become an agent!!
Battles probably  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 3/24/2018 1:20 am : link
A 2nd round guy who could potentially test very well at the nba combine and sneak into the late 1st.

I hope he comes back, but most NBA talent bolts after their sophomore season as each additional year in college heavily works against you in a league that drafts so heavily on potential.

Again absolutely possible he comes back and hope I'm wrong because it could be the most loaded SU team since 2012.

Just give me Brissett and I'll be happy
RE: RE: ...  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 3/24/2018 1:22 am : link
In comment 13883622 dpinzow said:
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In comment 13883621 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:


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I will say the fact the elite 8 was a realistic possibility for THIS Syracuse team is the most surprising thing I've seen since being a fan. Including the F4 run from 16.

Battle's gone. Just hoping Brissett comes back. Team could be really loaded next year if he does. Lots of talent coming in + returning player development



I don't see a player on this Syracuse team that is a top-tier player in a major conference like a Carmelo, Coleman, Pearl Washington, etc. That player/players will have to come from their recruiting class


Look up Darius Bazley. Ive been telling friends I think he's the best SU recruit since Carmelo
Brissett says he coming back to SU  
BlackLight : 3/24/2018 2:09 pm : link
for his sophomore year, so there's that.
Beilen should tell Wagner  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 10:15 pm : link
to stop shooting 3s. Needs to get the ball inside and draw mroe fouls.

Matthews is carrying them.
Wagner is absolutely killing Michigan  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 10:32 pm : link
FSU went small and he is still firing bad threes and getting abused by Cofer in the pick n roll.

Beilen is gonna play him, but it may be the wrong move.
Hey now  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 10:38 pm : link
Wagner comes back with two layups. Stay down in the post!
HUGE 3!!!!!!  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 10:54 pm : link
2:00 left.

Keep the d up and make some free throws!
The refs threw some serious cash down on the Seminoles  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 10:59 pm : link
in this one. Very lopsided officiating
Now Michigan  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 11:01 pm : link
stops playing defense and cant make free throws.
Michigan gagging on the foul line  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:02 pm : link
3 missed FTs, including 2 front ends of 1 and 1s
Jesus lord  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 11:02 pm : link
make a free throw.
Simpson is a 51% FT shooter  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:04 pm : link
Trouble here
FINAL 4 BABY!!!!!  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 11:07 pm : link
Never easy.
PER USUAL  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/24/2018 11:07 pm : link
Michigan BABY!!!!
All over...hail to the victors valiant  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:07 pm : link
A brutal game. Why did FSU not foul there at the end. You never know what will happen on the foul line
Had Michigan coming out of this region  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:09 pm : link
so this is sweet...most had Xavier, UNC or Gonzaga
that PG  
MookGiants : 3/24/2018 11:09 pm : link
for Michigan is so bad at the line they almost have to take him off the floor at the end of games when they are up 8-10 points. He's basically like a turnover at the free throw line
Florida State had no idea what they were doing  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:10 pm : link
on offense the last possession. That was basically a disorganized mess
RE: that PG  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13884833 MookGiants said:
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for Michigan is so bad at the line they almost have to take him off the floor at the end of games when they are up 8-10 points. He's basically like a turnover at the free throw line


The problem is whoever they put in is just as bad if not worst. And I am not exaggerating. Rahkman missing the free throws cant happen. Him, duncan, and Mo need to be on the line.
RE: FINAL 4 BABY!!!!!  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13884827 dep026 said:
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Never easy.


Nope...Michigan was on death's door against Houston and Jordan Poole hit one from 30 feet at the buzzer
Loyola vs. Michigan  
dep026 : 3/24/2018 11:15 pm : link
to see who gets to the title game.

Unreal.
RE: Loyola vs. Michigan  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13884841 dep026 said:
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to see who gets to the title game.

Unreal.


Loyola is an unreal story. Michigan is a legit top 10 team
Once again  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/24/2018 11:19 pm : link
The fate of the Big 10 rests on the broad shoulders of the class of the Big 10! #HAIL
Leonard Hamilton saying the game was over when  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:24 pm : link
Robinson grabbed the rebound with 12 seconds left...No it's not! You never know what will happen with college kids on the foul line!
See Virginia @ Louisville a few weeks back  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:26 pm : link
...
Also, say Robinson only makes 1 of 2  
dpinzow : 3/24/2018 11:29 pm : link
Michigan is up 5 with 12 seconds left. You get a quick 3, say with 5 or 6 seconds left, you are down 2 and you could get a steal with that press or foul immediately and hope they miss FTs again
I would hope  
MookGiants : 3/25/2018 12:07 am : link
Leonard Hamilton was just protecting his kids in the postgame, otherwise his postgame answer is almost a fireable offense. If Michigan was the #1 shooting free throw team you still foul, nevermind 321. This isnt a mid january game, it's the elite eight, play it out til the final whistle
RE: I would hope  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 13884878 MookGiants said:
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Leonard Hamilton was just protecting his kids in the postgame, otherwise his postgame answer is almost a fireable offense. If Michigan was the #1 shooting free throw team you still foul, nevermind 321. This isnt a mid january game, it's the elite eight, play it out til the final whistle


Agreed. On first listen last night, it came off sounding like he thought he was down more than he was. To give him the complete benefit of the doubt, maybe he thought once Robinson had the ball it was a wrap because he was a 90% FT shooter. Strange either way.
Villanova has more offensive rebounds  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 3:48 pm : link
than Texas Tech has defensive rebounds
Villanova also seems to be the one Big East team (old or new)  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 4:00 pm : link
that gets away with lots of contact on defense in the tournament. Big East teams often used to complain about how the NCAA tournament was officiated more tightly than the Big East games...somehow Nova plays the same way and doesn't get penalized in the tournament
That was a key moment  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 4:11 pm : link
Paschall got away with a clear foul on that Texas Tech layup attempt (hook on the arm). Nova gets a fast break and scores to push the lead to 7
'Nova's on to the Final Four -  
Del Shofner : 3/25/2018 4:34 pm : link
I agree they seemed to get away with a couple of fouls, but not sure Tech didn't too. Don't think they were game-changers. Tech is good defensively but 'Nova is a better all-around team, definitely as rebounders.
RE: 'Nova's on to the Final Four -  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13885577 Del Shofner said:
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I agree they seemed to get away with a couple of fouls, but not sure Tech didn't too. Don't think they were game-changers. Tech is good defensively but 'Nova is a better all-around team, definitely as rebounders.


Can't disagree with that, Nova is definitely a better all around team
Kansas is going to get put away soon  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 5:31 pm : link
if they don't stop settling for 28 foot threes
Allen is such a tool.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/25/2018 5:47 pm : link
Go Jayhawks!
Stop shooting 3s  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/25/2018 5:52 pm : link
KU.
Trent made a lucky one there  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 6:53 pm : link
Duke up 2
Refs miss a travel and foul along the baseline  
Giants in 07 : 3/25/2018 6:54 pm : link
And call an OOB when he never stepped out

And wa-la, Duke leads.

Clockwork

Finally a relatively well played game  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 6:58 pm : link
Enjoying this one as an impartial viewer
This is coming down to the final minute.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/25/2018 6:59 pm : link
Come on KU.
These 2 teams are heavyweights  
dep026 : 3/25/2018 7:04 pm : link
both teams getting tired though.
Overtime!  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:09 pm : link
Michailuk hits a clutch 3! Allen drives and his floater hits every part of the rim and bounces off
Grayson is an ass  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:09 pm : link
But respect how he wanted the ball there, wanted that last shot. Nearly pulled it off

OT upcoming
HOLY SHIT.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/25/2018 7:09 pm : link
OT.
Carter is killing Duke  
jeff57 : 3/25/2018 7:10 pm : link
With his baby hooks coming up short.
Great game  
adamg : 3/25/2018 7:11 pm : link
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That said  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:12 pm : link
Offense has to run through Bagley here in OT. He’s got a damn 2guard on him!
Wendell Carter fouling out  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:15 pm : link
the patented Duke charge call doesn't work
That was a charge  
dep026 : 3/25/2018 7:16 pm : link
bad call against Duke.
CLUTCH  
adamg : 3/25/2018 7:20 pm : link
Clutch shot there. Hold it now
Duke has a lineup full of five stars  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:21 pm : link
What was the logic going to a zone defense? It’s a terrible zone defense too
Carter fiouls out  
dep026 : 3/25/2018 7:21 pm : link
and his replacement screws up two times in a row defensively for 5 points.
That's off of Duke`  
adamg : 3/25/2018 7:22 pm : link
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RE: Duke has a lineup full of five stars  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13885818 Kyle in NY said:
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What was the logic going to a zone defense? It’s a terrible zone defense too


They can't play man defense. They were a horrific defensive team before switching to zone
RE: Duke has a lineup full of five stars  
dep026 : 3/25/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13885818 Kyle in NY said:
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What was the logic going to a zone defense? It’s a terrible zone defense too


their two bigs cant defend, especially against a team with 4 shooters. They have played zone the last 10 games or so. They are a bad man to man team.
Call overturned  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:26 pm : link
Kansas gets it
5 minutes to make the right call  
adamg : 3/25/2018 7:26 pm : link
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Fair enough  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:26 pm : link
Kansas figured this zone out pretty quickly. Though they are built to do so with their guards and shooting ability. Villanova would tear this up too
Duval misses the 3 (good look).  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:27 pm : link
Kansas rebounds, Newman gets fouled. Hits both FTs
Nice to see Allen miss two shots there  
adamg : 3/25/2018 7:28 pm : link
Awesome game.
Graham missed the front end of the 1 and 1  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:29 pm : link
Duke rebounds but the outlet pass is awry. Kansas just about there
Kansas wins a classic  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:30 pm : link
Best game of the tournament so far
Figures  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:30 pm : link
The KU team with the lowest expectations in a long time is the one that breaks through the elite 8. Great game. Nova/KU will be a ton of fun
Sloppy play by Duke in OT  
jeff57 : 3/25/2018 7:30 pm : link
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I am no Duke apologist...  
dep026 : 3/25/2018 7:31 pm : link
but the block call on Carter was the game changing call. If they call a charge, Duke has the ball and the lead. 2 successive possessions his backup screwed up.

Big, big call.
Ah, Duke out. What a shame.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/25/2018 7:32 pm : link
The Rat doesn't advance.
The missed out of bounds call had a similar effect  
adamg : 3/25/2018 7:32 pm : link
Led to a three by Duke and caused Kansas to play from behind for the remainder until that foul out call...
Might just be the nature  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:33 pm : link
of a team full of one and dones, but Duke seems sloppy and poorly coached at times. Bagley didn’t see the ball nearly enough
I think block was the right call  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2018 7:34 pm : link
but I’ve seen far less be called a charge. Would rather see Carter just contest the shot. Considering his length it’s the far less risky move
So Michigan vs. Loyola is most likely game 1  
dpinzow : 3/25/2018 7:38 pm : link
and Villanova vs. Kansas is game 2 next Saturday
K will never get hammered for this  
MookGiants : 3/25/2018 8:48 pm : link
But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley.

He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke.
RE: Might just be the nature  
MookGiants : 3/25/2018 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13885856 Kyle in NY said:
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of a team full of one and dones, but Duke seems sloppy and poorly coached at times. Bagley didn’t see the ball nearly enough


Poorly coached is right on. K is now whet he once was as a coach. 2010 was a a masterpiece from him, the last couple years he has done a poor job.

The UNC game in ACC tourney may have cost him a title. If they win that game they are the two seed in the west and have florida state rather than kansas in omaha. Dont think they lose to Michigan
3 years in a row  
MookGiants : 3/25/2018 9:15 pm : link
where Duke was considered to have the most talent in the country by almost everyone.

Yet they haven't won an acc title, an acc tournament title, or even made a final four over those three years.

Media will be silent on it, but outside of 1 year, the one and done model is simply not working for Duke. But K has already sold his soul to the devil and he's not looking back now. Next year they won't have a Bagley on the team, either, and won't have an experienced guard like Allen either.

Top recruiting class in the nation, but I dont think the pieces fit all that well. The pieces actually fit this year, they had a true center, true 4, a great shooter in trent at the 3, and Grayson as the experienced guard, and it still didnt work
Bagley  
MookGiants : 3/25/2018 9:16 pm : link
only getting 9 attempts from the field against a team who plays 4 out 1 in is mind numbing.
my bad  
MookGiants : 3/25/2018 10:23 pm : link
they won 1 acc tournament, last year
What's great about Malik Newman  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2018 10:28 pm : link
is that he got paid by both Miss St and by Kansas.
RE: Bagley  
Kyle in NY : 3/26/2018 9:03 am : link
In comment 13886037 MookGiants said:
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only getting 9 attempts from the field against a team who plays 4 out 1 in is mind numbing.


This is unbelievable. He had Svi guarding him most of the game. I'd be furious over this if I were a Duke fan
Which is why I don't understand why any post player would go to Duke  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2018 9:12 am : link
Their offense hasn't put an emphasis on feeding a big man on the blocks since probably Elton Brand.
RE: 3 years in a row  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13886035 MookGiants said:
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Top recruiting class in the nation, but I dont think the pieces fit all that well.


Nope. All three guys essentially play the same role.
RE: Which is why I don't understand why any post player would go to Duke  
dep026 : 3/26/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 13886439 Greg from LI said:
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Their offense hasn't put an emphasis on feeding a big man on the blocks since probably Elton Brand.


I dont know many teams that feature any guys on the blocks anymore. Its a lost art. Even Ayton didnt get the ball against freaking Buffalo.
Carolina manages it  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2018 9:25 am : link
You look at the way they ran the offense with Johnson and Meeks versus what Duke has been doing. I'm not Deputy Dawg's biggest fan, but they ran a very efficient offense when they had those big guys.
RE: That was a charge  
Essex : 3/26/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13885807 dep026 said:
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bad call against Duke.

That was not a charge, Carter slid his foot over as the guy made contact. It was a clear block
RE: Which is why I don't understand why any post player would go to Duke  
Essex : 3/26/2018 9:28 am : link
In comment 13886439 Greg from LI said:
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Their offense hasn't put an emphasis on feeding a big man on the blocks since probably Elton Brand.

It really is a mystery, Coach K is just the worst with big men--(he really isn't that good with many players), he did a terrible job all year with Bagley and Carter.

Roy, on the other hand, develops players. Look at the improvement of Theo Pinson from freshman until this year. Look at Grayson Allen from freshman year until this year. I could go on and on about players Roy really developed over the years, such a Meeks, Hicks, Henson, Zeller etc.
RE: K will never get hammered for this  
Essex : 3/26/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 13885983 MookGiants said:
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But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley.

He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke.

Also ROy is 28-0 in the first round. Think about that. The GOAT has lost to Lehigh and Mercer in the first round. Coach K is an all-time great, but Roy has been the much better coach and Carolina the better program since Roy returned to chapel hill.
It was insanity  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/26/2018 9:33 am : link
that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi.

As a Virginia fan married into a Duke family, I was convinced that the only way to make the tournament more of a nightmare for me was that Duke was going to win it all. Boy, was last night a relief.
amen to that Paul  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2018 9:36 am : link
This tournament will still be a nightmare of a memory, but Duke winning it all (which is absolutely what I expected to happen) would have made it the Mother of All Nightmares.
RE: RE: K will never get hammered for this  
MetsAreBack : 3/26/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 13886482 Essex said:
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In comment 13885983 MookGiants said:


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But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley.

He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke.


Also ROy is 28-0 in the first round. Think about that. The GOAT has lost to Lehigh and Mercer in the first round. Coach K is an all-time great, but Roy has been the much better coach and Carolina the better program since Roy returned to chapel hill.


The first round is impressive, but they just lost by 21 basically at home in Charlotte to Texas A&M in the second round. It's not the year to pound one's chest about Roy >> K.

Also i have no idea where you're going in your 9:28am - Grayson Allen attended Duke.

Both Roy and K are HOF coaches - i think we can leave it at that.
What he's saying is that Allen has gone backwards as he's gone along  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2018 9:41 am : link
He was a better player as a freshman, at least during the title run, than he is today.
I think people are overrating Bagley  
dep026 : 3/26/2018 9:47 am : link
here. He is a tremendous talent. But right now he is a much better athlete than basketball player. He has a lot of skills for a guy his size. But he doesnt do anything exceptional. He is still physically weak underneath (he was getting pushed off the block very easily yesterday). Plus they were not guarding Carter or Delaurier whatsoever. Mykhailuk was gettign around Bagley and there was help behind him as well. Made it very hard for him to get the ball in the post.

When Bolden was in the game, it made it even harder to post him since Bolden is a stiff.

Bagley has some exciting skills, but his strength was a liability against a more seasoned player yesterday.
RE: It was insanity  
dep026 : 3/26/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13886492 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi.



Bagley doesnt post up well. Plus, there were would have been 2 guys all over him. No one was going to guard Delaurier or Bolden or whoever was in the game.
RE: RE: RE: K will never get hammered for this  
Essex : 3/26/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13886509 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13886482 Essex said:


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But over the last three years, no coach has done less with more than he has. Not one final four with 3 super teams and he somehow puts the ball in Grayson Allens hands at the end of regulation rather than Bagley.

He has not done a good job coaching these teams the last two years. That team having to play a two three zone is a joke.


Also ROy is 28-0 in the first round. Think about that. The GOAT has lost to Lehigh and Mercer in the first round. Coach K is an all-time great, but Roy has been the much better coach and Carolina the better program since Roy returned to chapel hill.



The first round is impressive, but they just lost by 21 basically at home in Charlotte to Texas A&M in the second round. It's not the year to pound one's chest about Roy >> K.

Also i have no idea where you're going in your 9:28am - Grayson Allen attended Duke.

Both Roy and K are HOF coaches - i think we can leave it at that.

Grayson Allen did not develop into a better player in his four years at Duke. If anything, his play level was very inconsistent. Theo Pinson, on the other hand, improved enormously each and every year.
Carolina's big men also have historically gotten better under Roy, do you remember Brice Johnson as a freshmen, how did he end up? What about Tyler Zeller or Kennedy Meeks or Isiah Hicks? All of those guys improved markedly. Roy got beat by Texas Tech, ok--it happens. He also made the finals two years in a row and if you look at the trajectory of his program, he always peaks every 2-3 years for a run. 2005 then the 2007-2009. The 2011-2012 didn't make the final four, but would have in 12 with ease if Kendall Marshall didn't break his wrist. Then, they had a couple of off years in 13 and 14 with PJ, Bullock leaving early etc. Then, he revved it up again with the next crew and made it to the finals in 16-17 and won it for the third time. He has won 3 times since he has returned to Chappell Hill, Coach K has won twice. ROy has made it to 5 final fours in that time, Duke 3? Duke has lost to Lehigh and MErcer in that time period. I am quite happy with Roy.
RE: RE: It was insanity  
Essex : 3/26/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13886531 dep026 said:
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that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi.





Bagley doesnt post up well. Plus, there were would have been 2 guys all over him. No one was going to guard Delaurier or Bolden or whoever was in the game.

I might be forgetting something here but didn't Duval take the three to tie in OT?
Well I could say Mason Plumlee and Shelden Williams  
dep026 : 3/26/2018 9:52 am : link
got better every year. As did Brian Zoubeck (who was an absolute turd but contributed his senior year).

Roy uses his bigs differently than K, and both have success with their styles.
RE: RE: RE: It was insanity  
dep026 : 3/26/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 13886537 Essex said:
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In comment 13886531 dep026 said:


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In comment 13886492 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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that in a tie game, last play of regulation, with Azubuike fouled out that Allen held the ball for an isolation play on the last shot and they didn't give it Bagley down low to make a post move on Svi.





Bagley doesnt post up well. Plus, there were would have been 2 guys all over him. No one was going to guard Delaurier or Bolden or whoever was in the game.


I might be forgetting something here but didn't Duval take the three to tie in OT?


Duval took an open 3 to tie it from a feed from Bagley. Duval wasnt being guarded all game either. It was going to be impossible for Bagley to get the ball and a shot off. He was having trouble getting open and when he did get it, he was being doubled.
Allen played less than 10 minutes/game  
MetsAreBack : 3/26/2018 9:53 am : link
his Freshman year.

His tournament:
Round 1: 12 MP, 1 pt
Round 2: 9 MP, 5 pts
sweet 16: 9 MP, 3 pts
Elite 8: 3 MP, did not score
Final 4: 17 MP, 9 points
title game vs Wisconsin: 21 MP, 16 points

... so we are talking about 1 maybe 2 good games.

He had a terrific Sophomore season... then who the fuck knows what through the psychopath's head in his Junior year when he was punished severely ... 1 game... K really showed the world what a disciplinarian he is... for tripping yet another opponent.
It..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/26/2018 9:54 am : link
is referencing that Allen hasn't really improved:

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Also i have no idea where you're going in your 9:28am - Grayson Allen attended Duke


Grayson Allen is basically the same player he was as a freshmen. A complementary role.

Against SU, he was woeful behind the 3. Against KU, he missed the potential game winning shot, had another poor game beyond the arc, and missed 3 shots in the final minute of overtime that would have any chance of getting Duke close.

He's either regressed or stayed the same for 4 years.
RE: Allen played less than 10 minutes/game  
Essex : 3/26/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13886546 MetsAreBack said:
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his Freshman year.

His tournament:
Round 1: 12 MP, 1 pt
Round 2: 9 MP, 5 pts
sweet 16: 9 MP, 3 pts
Elite 8: 3 MP, did not score
Final 4: 17 MP, 9 points
title game vs Wisconsin: 21 MP, 16 points

... so we are talking about 1 maybe 2 good games.

He had a terrific Sophomore season... then who the fuck knows what through the psychopath's head in his Junior year when he was punished severely ... 1 game... K really showed the world what a disciplinarian he is... for tripping yet another opponent.

I am willing to concede that his trajectory went higher into year 2, it is after that where it has just really suffered.
Grayson Allen  
dep026 : 3/26/2018 9:57 am : link
was always a role player. When he makes shot, he is good. But he isnt quick enough to the basketball and he couldnt defend FMiC (no offense). He had to play a bigger role cause of all the 1 and dones K has had. He was like their 5th best recruit coming in. Theres a reason for that.
Of course we are all happy with Roy  
MetsAreBack : 3/26/2018 9:57 am : link
who wouldnt be.

But you're using it to infer that K has achieved nothing or sucks or something, and it wreaks of blind hate. (which i respect - i cant stand the ferret either... but moreso because the guy has become really slimy in recruiting and in whoring out his school - a school that purports to be top 10 in the country... at least Alabama doesnt pretend to have high academic standards for the rest of the campus while simultaneously embracing a one-and-done for one of their sports programs)
Darius Bazley  
MookGiants : 3/29/2018 4:10 pm : link
just said he's not going to go to Syracuse and will go to the G-League instead. Huge blow for Syracuse next year. Hopefully it's not something that becomes a regular thing among high school kids
RE: Darius Bazley  
Sean : 3/29/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13893309 MookGiants said:
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just said he's not going to go to Syracuse and will go to the G-League instead. Huge blow for Syracuse next year. Hopefully it's not something that becomes a regular thing among high school kids


What an incredibly dumb decision by him.
Rumor is  
MookGiants : 3/29/2018 10:05 pm : link
he wasn't going to qualify.
Go  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 9:49 pm : link
Blue

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